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    spanking your children

    My friend and I saw a child misbehaving and the parents were not doing much about it. My friend then said that if that was his kid, he would use phsyical punishment to teach the child. We began to argue. I've taken general college psychology in college and I'm now in a class called developmental psychology and I've learned that physical punishment is not disciplining your kids because it does not imply learning. Meaning physical punishment does not teach. I have also read several case studies that suggest that physcial punishment can lead the an inability to cope with frutration and increase in aggressive behavior. What's your take on it? Good or bad for raising children?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kinkery View Post
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    To be honest my parents gave me a couple quick,fast ones as kid and honestly I did learn to think before i did stuff blatenly right in front of them.Made me think twice,yeah know.
    Not condoning all out whoop asses but lets just say intimidation is a powerful tool.
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    I was spanked as a kid, I seem ok I guess.

    I have never spanked my kids and don't plan to. However discipline is pretty consistent and he seems to be learning like I did, I just don't get to relieve my frustrations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IainDaniel View Post
    I was spanked as a kid, I seem ok I guess.

    I have never spanked my kids and don't plan to. However discipline is pretty consistent and he seems to be learning like I did, I just don't get to relieve my frustrations.
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    for every study in psychology that says one thing there is another that says the opposite. if you use a spanking or not it doesnt matter to me, but some form of dicipline needs to be used. letting your kid run free doesnt do a damn thing but piss off others around you

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    we got dirty lickens when we was kids,and all my family and in laws and aunts and uncles and grandmas...they just beat up whoevers kids...don't matter if its their kids or not(within the family),if they see them being bad,they gonna get it.If they cant reach them,they'll just throw whatevers close,like shoes or remote controll or what evers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LT81 View Post
    To be honest my parents gave me a couple quick,fast ones as kid and honestly I did learn to think before i did stuff blatenly right in front of them.Made me think twice,yeah know.
    Not condoning all out whoop asses but lets just say intimidation is a powerful tool.


    I agree with LT81. My 9 year old nephew has never been spanked in his life and, although he is quite spoiled as well, he is getting way too out of hand with his behavior. He thinks that he is allowed to act as an adult and when he gets out of line and when an adult says something he talks back like an adult... plus he is the most hard headed kid in the entire world. My niece is turning out the exact way, she is only 1 though. The boy has been grounded all school year for varios reasons and it hasnt phased him a bit. He is spending the summer with my parents though, kinda like a boot camp. So I am sure by the end of the summer he will have a different out-take.

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    I got bare assed leather belt lashings as a kid, that taught me to make sure all of my bases were covered before I did something bad, thats kept me outta prison... As I got older I would just get jail time in my room with a stack of encyclopedias or an educational book....that taught me that I have a ferocious appetite for learning everything I could get my hands on....
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    we used to live maybe 200 feet from a dead end on a street. beyond the end of the road there was a steep bank that dropped right into a river. i tried everything else first but the only thing that worked in keeping Tyler in our yard was a smack on the ass. Tesla was different but until maybe two years ago i couldn't go pee without Tyler taking advantage of two minutes unsupervised. it's funny now that we're past it and he's very responsible now about only leaving the yard with consent, being where he's supposed to be, and returning home on time.

    and no offense but there's a world of difference between reading and parenting. it's pretty much a joke when people with no kids try to tell parents the right way to raise their kids. i know one couple who never spanked their daughter and did everything "the books" suggested. at 3 she was threatening to kill her baby sister out of jealousy and sticking dry spaghetti up the cats ass. they decided maybe it was time to throw the books out and parent her which included an occasional spanking when she was totally out of control. she became a very pleasant child and stopped being a tyrant.
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    I think it all depends on the kid. My friend's child is a great kid, he gets out of line once in a while and a simple talking to gets him back in line. Then there are kids like I was when I was young, I deserved it and I probably needed it. I turned out a lot better than most of my friends that's for sure.

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    I beleive that there's a perfect medium to the scenario. I think simply talking to a child is just stupid. Sure, many of you adults are going to say that that's all that is needed, or that fuckin "time-out" bullshit, but from a "kid's" point of view, I can tell you straight up that the kid thinks your weak. And trust me on this, I know cause I constantly see young children (friends' brothers and sisters) get told by the parents not to do something, and the kid will get an innocent personality and appologize for whatever they did... and then go back to whatever it was when that parent isn't around, cause they know they're not really going to get punished. Just because a psychology professor is teaching something doesn't mean that he knows what the hell he's talking about, the sad truth is that most psycology professors assume that children have much of the same mental capabilities as that of adults, "they just have to be taught".. which turns out to be wrong much more than it is right. Most people don't understand how smart and manipulative a young child is. The children themselves make it seem like talking is all it takes to get them to behave, and most of you adults believe this shit, because you simply aren't around the kid 24/7 to see that they're in fact playin you for fools. The child's mind has evolved greatly over the decades, learning how to misbehave with out getting physically disciplined. So for all of you adult's that say talking is all that is needed... you're wrong. Now don't get me wrong, I am 100% against the abuse of children. But a sence of fear has to be instilled for a child to not want to do something. Most children don't develop the understanding of respect until they're older, so fear is the only way to get them to "respect" someone/something in my oppinion. And by fear I do NOT mean beating the shit out of the kid, all I mean is a simple slap to the back of the head or something... an action that is going to scare them, but not really hurt them... as if giving them a warning that more harm will be done if their misbehavior continues. I myself had this kind of "punishment"... a slight sence of fear... or "respect" if you wanna call it that. And then their was my grandpop... he never hurt me or anything... but he scared the hell out of me and I never misbehaved around him. What he would do though is take out a leather belt, fold it in half and quickly pull the two ends far apart, creating a loud slapping noise. And this coming from an old Italian with connections was just fucking intimidating. But my point is that physically hurting a child should not be done, and simply talking to a child about what they did wrong is just fucking stupid. The only true way to get a kid to listen to you is if they kind of fear you... yeah it sounds fucked up but it's the truth. Now, as long as that fear isn't caused from physical abuse, and as long as the kind wasn't just "talked to"... then as they grow up they'll develop the respect that parents want their child to have. I mean, at this point, hitting me isn't an option because I am far too trained when it comes to fighting and defense... but I respect my parents and all others, if I beleive they deserve respect. But an interesting thing to note is that Chuck Norris's father abused the hell out of Chuck when he was a child... and he grew up to be a great man, except he has not respect for his father, which is understandable. Now on the other hand, Paris Hilton was never abused or ever hit as a child, she was just talked to... and she grew up to be a disrespectful slut who can manipulate anyone she wants.... is that how you want your daughter to grow up??

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    I don't think it really matters in the long run. If you're trying for short term behavioral control then spanking is the way to go. For instance: Johnny slaps his sister Sally. You spank him. He doesn't slap her again for about 6-8 months if ever, and if he does repeat until he stops. Here's where it gets tricky. I don't believe when you were spanked or not plays any role in how you grow up. I was personally a long with a few friends spanked. Which is to say if I stepped out of bounds it's ass whippen time. Then I have friends who are twice as well behaved as me and we're spanked and ones who are twice as well behaved who weren't spanked. I mean at my age, it's hard to determine what's "well behaved", but we'll just say as far as school etc goes. It's about your attitude. I've always had the same hard headed attitude. Since I was very very young. I've been spanked many times for disrespect, arguing, insubordination, etc etc. Up until about the age 12, when I got to "big" to spank. I personally don't think I'll ever change. Does it really matter if a parent spanks their child? Hasn't it been going on for well over a 1000 years? Some parents find it necessary; others don't. Same applies to most things. As long as their not abusing the child or causing any long term physical injury then let them discipline their children how they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
    and no offense but there's a world of difference between reading and parenting. it's pretty much a joke when people with no kids try to tell parents the right way to raise their kids.
    Few things will piss me off as much as, and as quickly as, this.
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    I hope ya'll don't think busting a nut in some chick makes the two of you expert parents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    I hope ya'll don't think busting a nut in some chick makes the two of you expert parents.
    No, but it give me experience that childless people don't have.
    So many cries of inequality stem from one of group
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    Few things will piss me off as much as, and as quickly as, this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReproMan View Post
    I'm not talking about people expressing their opinions on an Internet forum, I'm talking about those people trying to tell me how to raise my kids.
    So many cries of inequality stem from one of group
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    No, but it give me experience that childless people don't have.
    No doubt, but experience is useless to dumb people. I am pretty sure that you and LW had a good idea how you were gonna raise your children before you ever had children. Am I wrong? Its just that I think the idea that people without children have no idea what parenting involves is a wrong assumption.
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    Unless you are a parent and have experience in dealing with children, you have no business telling someone else how to raise theirs IMO. Every situation is different and may need a different response.






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    i think you should spank em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    No doubt, but experience is useless to dumb people. I am pretty sure that you and LW had a good idea how you were gonna raise your children before you ever had children. Am I wrong? Its just that I think the idea that people without children have no idea what parenting involves is a wrong assumption.
    Hell no. I had zero idea how I was going to raise my children.

    And, again, no, people without children don't really know what it's like. It's one thing when you babysit for a day or so, it's another thing completely when you know you can't just return the kid. Without that perspective, you really don't have the basis to tell someone how to handle a child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    Hell no. I had zero idea how I was going to raise my children.

    And, again, no, people without children don't really know what it's like. It's one thing when you babysit for a day or so, it's another thing completely when you know you can't just return the kid. Without that perspective, you really don't have the basis to tell someone how to handle a child.
    Zactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    Hell no. I had zero idea how I was going to raise my children.

    And, again, no, people without children don't really know what it's like. It's one thing when you babysit for a day or so, it's another thing completely when you know you can't just return the kid. Without that perspective, you really don't have the basis to tell someone how to handle a child.
    So when some bitch lets her 3 little brats run through our antique shop, I'm suppose to respect how she raises her children and ignore what they are doing? Fuck no. I'm going to tell the bitch to get her kids under control before one of the little shits hurt themselves and our shop is liable.
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    the dr that manages my sons medication is pregnant. he's getting ready to start school next year in a school system that has NO recess breaks. her solution to him being hyper and needing a mid day break is more medication. she's a fucking moron. one that plans to park her infant in a daycare at 2 months. even some parents have no clue. hopefully after the birth of her child some lights will turn on in her head.

    my plan is to pick him up and provide a mid day break for lunch that will include physical activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
    the dr that manages my sons medication is pregnant. he's getting ready to start school next year in a school system that has NO recess breaks. her solution to him being hyper and needing a mid day break is more medication. she's a fucking moron. one that plans to park her infant in a daycare at 2 months. even some parents have no clue. hopefully after the birth of her child some lights will turn on in her head.

    my plan is to pick him up and provide a mid day break for lunch that will include physical activity.
    You just made my point. I don't have kids and I know that is totally wrong. Parenting requires love, compassion, discipline, and common fucking sense. Thats it. If you have those 4 things you can raise a healthy happy kid. and I have never had a kid. But I guess since I haven't, my opinion means diddly squat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    So when some bitch lets her 3 little brats run through our antique shop, I'm suppose to respect how she raises her children and ignore what they are doing? Fuck no. I'm going to tell the bitch to get her kids under control before one of the little shits hurt themselves and our shop is liable.
    ok. i hear that. here's where a "you break it you bought it" policy is good too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
    ok. i hear that. here's where a "you break it you bought it" policy is good too.
    So what is the kid breaks a 40lb Oriental vase over his head? We get sued.
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    then i'd speak to the woman as soon as you notice she hasn't proper control of her children. tell her if they don't behave properly she'll need to leave. You could phrase it like "i'm sorry miss but this is not a safe environment for unruly children... " i don't know. i'd be pissed too though.

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