Thread: weed, alchol, and Dip(chewing tobacco)

herb and alcahol wont help you..I know that much. Frequency is a factor, certainly... you will undoubtedly stall gains when you drink or smoke, as for chewing, I know a guy actually a few people who smoke tobacco not chew it , that dont drink that are well built, my guess is other than your gums getting messed up possibly, the tobacco is the lesser evil of what you mentioned. AS to HOW bad? hopefully someone else has some more pin pointed insight...

It won't help you, but I think you need to enjoy yourself, so I say do it.

The only thing I have touched there has been alcohol. And that has been plenty. I have never seen a need for the other stuff. Hell there really isnt a need for the alcohol.

Dip is nasty shit.

you are 15 smarten the fuck up.

Originally Posted by Double D

The only thing I have touched there has been alcohol. And that has been plenty. I have never seen a need for the other stuff. Hell there really isnt a need for the alcohol.

As an educated person, I would argue there is more of a "need" for marijuana than alcohol.

But that's a whole different ball of twine...

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Dip is nasty shit.

you are 15 smarten the fuck up.

Since I've been home from school my brother has been dipping constantly. Because he isn't "of age" (18) he relies on me or my brother to pick up tins for him.

At the beginning I thought it was just a recreational thing that would keep him out of trouble. Now it seems like he's completely addicted.

Needless to say, it's a stupid drug. He won't be getting tins from me anymore.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

At the beginning I thought it was just a recreational thing that would keep him out of trouble.

I'm glad you woke up and won't be enabling his habit anymore.

Using chewing tabacco as a means to keep somebody out of trouble is just wrong.

Originally Posted by Uthinkso

I'm glad you woke up and won't be enabling his habit anymore.

Using chewing tabacco as a means to keep somebody out of trouble is just wrong.

You don't know two shits as to what you're talking about.

I have been arrested on multiple occassions for underage consumption of alcohol and have had to perform countless hours of community service, had to pay thousands of dollars in fines, etc.

I'd rather see him stay in, throw in a chaw and play video games than go out drinking and getting hammered every Friday and Saturday from his freshman year of high school on.

oo. BTW i only do this stuff recreationally and only like 1-2 times a month. yestrday waws the first time in months.

Originally Posted by antelope07

herb and alcahol wont help you..I know that much. Frequency is a factor, certainly... you will undoubtedly stall gains when you drink or smoke, as for chewing, I know a guy actually a few people who smoke tobacco not chew it , that dont drink that are well built, my guess is other than your gums getting messed up possibly, the tobacco is the lesser evil of what you mentioned. AS to HOW bad? hopefully someone else has some more pin pointed insight...

Tobacco is the lesser evil, hahahaha. Dude, tobacco is the worst for a number of reasons. Also, you are dead wrong about weed. I am stronger and have better focus and concentration when I workout after smoking a few bowls. Also, smoking weed a once or twice a day isn't going to wreck your cardio vascular system like tobacco.

Alcohol is also bad for both the calories and the other horrible side effects.

well weed i wil do mayby once a month. drink mayby 2x a month. and dip i do like 2x a month. but some monts ar different then others. for instance i ahvent done anything bad in like 4 months. and then this weekend i dippd and drank both days this weekend.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

You don't know two shits as to what you're talking about.

I have been arrested on multiple occassions for underage consumption of alcohol and have had to perform countless hours of community service, had to pay thousands of dollars in fines, etc.

I'd rather see him stay in, throw in a chaw and play video games than go out drinking and getting hammered every Friday and Saturday from his freshman year of high school on.

So because your a fucking delinquent that drinks around town at 14-15 years old and gets in trouble with the law. Your happy to see him hooked on something thats somewhat less addicting and damaging. Thats like saying you'd rather see him on cocaine instead of heroin because its better for him or arguably less addicting.

Your 19 years old, heres a quarter KID call me when you have a clue.

Originally Posted by Uthinkso

So because your a fucking delinquent that drinks around town at 14-15 years old and gets in trouble with the law. Your happy to see him hooked on something thats somewhat less addicting and damaging. Thats like saying you'd rather see him on cocaine instead of heroin because its better for him or arguably less addicting.

Your 19 years old, heres a quarter KID call me when you have a clue.

That's not like saying that by any means. I wouldn't trade my high school career for anything. I've made lifelong friends (both male and female) and had the times of my life. If you want to go into details about my arrests, we can:

1. Friend got beat up by three older kids, I helped break it up, he stormed off/was in tears and I ran after him. The fight caused the neighbors to call the police, the officer felt bad for him because he had a bloody nose, felt no remorse for the friend who tried to be the peacemaker.

2. I drank too much (my first time in a bar) and I got arrested walking home after I ran out of money for a cab fare.

Both were the result of living in one of the more wealthy towns in the country where if you're non-white you'll be pulled over immediately.

I'm not saying I know everything because quite frankly you're right, I've had 9 less years on this planet. All I'm saying is that for the given situation you don't know two shits as to what you're talking about.

Don't be bitter because you were a loser in your younger years and read books on Friday and Saturday nights.

Babe Ruth did two of those pretty much everyday and look what he did.

Originally Posted by Pianomahnn

As an educated person, I would argue there is more of a "need" for marijuana than alcohol.

But that's a whole different ball of twine...

I dont disagree.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

That's not like saying that by any means. I wouldn't trade my high school career for anything. I've made lifelong friends (both male and female) and had the times of my life. If you want to go into details about my arrests, we can:

1. Friend got beat up by three older kids, I helped break it up, he stormed off/was in tears and I ran after him. The fight caused the neighbors to call the police, the officer felt bad for him because he had a bloody nose, felt no remorse for the friend who tried to be the peacemaker.

2. I drank too much (my first time in a bar) and I got arrested walking home after I ran out of money for a cab fare.

Both were the result of living in one of the more wealthy towns in the country where if you're non-white you'll be pulled over immediately.

I'm not saying I know everything because quite frankly you're right, I've had 9 less years on this planet. All I'm saying is that for the given situation you don't know two shits as to what you're talking about.

Don't be bitter because you were a loser in your younger years and read books on Friday and Saturday nights.

Have it your way snowflake, but I'm far from bitter and I've seen plenty.

Everyone should just have a drink and a smoke and chillout.

15 sounds young becuase we're all so much older, but come on, we weren't all complete angels at that age. Abit of either the above is alright from time-to-time, just as long as it never matures into a problem.

Stop the tobacco NOW while it's easy and never use it again.
Weed is fine but be smart about it.
Don't be a dumb drunk.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

That's not like saying that by any means. I wouldn't trade my high school career for anything. I've made lifelong friends (both male and female) and had the times of my life. If you want to go into details about my arrests, we can:

1. Friend got beat up by three older kids, I helped break it up, he stormed off/was in tears and I ran after him. The fight caused the neighbors to call the police, the officer felt bad for him because he had a bloody nose, felt no remorse for the friend who tried to be the peacemaker.

2. I drank too much (my first time in a bar) and I got arrested walking home after I ran out of money for a cab fare.

Both were the result of living in one of the more wealthy towns in the country where if you're non-white you'll be pulled over immediately.

I'm not saying I know everything because quite frankly you're right, I've had 9 less years on this planet. All I'm saying is that for the given situation you don't know two shits as to what you're talking about.

Don't be bitter because you were a loser in your younger years and read books on Friday and Saturday nights.

wouldnt exactly call that a criminal record mate,

Dip is nasty, but from an athletic stand point it probably won't harm you until it affects your teeth or causes cancer, both things that may be down the road a ways, of course if you do get into MMA and you get people hitting you in the face, those teeth problems could occur a LOT earlier. The big deal with dip is it's nicotine, only pretty much the most addictive thing out there. You'd be a fool to continue that even occassionally, it's just a matter of time with almost everyone, you could be one of the lucky few that can kick it without any issues but what do you gain for such a risk.

Weed and booze occassionally isn't going to be too bad for you, neither are necessary, both have down sides and there is a risk of becoming addicted to them though not nearly so much as tobacco, obviously alchohalism has wrecked plenty of lives and being legal (for adults that is) it's everywhere and as you get older it can easily become a habit. Obviously any time you are sucking in some smoke you are damaging your lungs, if you are serious about MMA extreme conditioning is important and once a month can impact your performance. Basically you are better off without any of those things, but so long as they truly remain occassional then they shouldn't be that big of a deal, but like a lot of things, if it is going to become a problem you won't know it until it's too late, at which point it becomes extremely hard to stop. There's probably something to be said for just saving your money, all of these are expensive habits to support.

Your decision was probably already made up before you made this post, but hopefully we can lean you towards being smarter about it a little, if you are lookin to get into MMA then I should hope you are getting as much training as you can now (wrestling team, martial arts, maybe even a specific MMA pro training gym).

I guess my only question is that if it's so infrequent, why do it at all?

That and Dip can be a quick trip to oral cancer (and that's not a fun one. Pretty dangerous too, since it's pretty close to the lymph nodes of the neck).

ok. i will definetly forget dip. i joined my wrestling team and i box and kickbox. i rarely ever get high or drunk

Originally Posted by Uthinkso

Have it your way snowflake, but I'm far from bitter and I've seen plenty.

^ Last Word ^

Conversation over.

Originally Posted by mboylan86

wouldnt exactly call that a criminal record mate,

I agree. I do have a few run-ins with underage consumption but I've never been behind a wheel and I keep it smart and safe... for the most part, ha.

Originally Posted by Mags

Everyone should just have a drink and a smoke and chillout.

15 sounds young becuase we're all so much older, but come on, we weren't all complete angels at that age. Abit of either the above is alright from time-to-time, just as long as it never matures into a problem.

I started smoking weed before I ever drank or smoked tobacco. Now I still don't drink or smoke for health reasons. Smoking one or maybe two joints a day do not hurt your physical heath much at all. Tobacco and alcohol are killers.

why is alchol so bad? even once a month?

Alchohal is bad mainly because it rarely stays a once a month thing for a lot of people, it usually becomes a weekend thing and gets worse, but for athletic purposes, it is basically junk calories, it'll dehydrate you and has other negative effects (that I don't know the specifics of). I've never been one to get hang overs or much but as a general rule the day after a night drinking involves being at least a little weak, alchohal like many recreational drugs are basically mild poisons, that's why they work.

Next time you are drinking beer, after you've stopped (preferably not due to being passed out) and are reasonably sober, go and give your cardio a bit of a test, I'm sure you'll find it's very difficult compared to a normal day. I had never really noticed that until recently but basically alchohal does seem to have an immediate effect (it is a downer after all).

Pot's going to do the same thing basically in addition to inhaling smoke, I would say pot would be less of a bad thing if you were to eat it (cooked into something) vs smoking it, I don't know how effective that is. One joint now and then won't be an issue, one or two a day IS an issue (and likely if you use that much you are an addict or hopefully just in college). It will affect your conditioning in a significant way for a professional athlete, maybe not so much for a game like baseball but seriously, baseball is NOT anywhere near on par with MMA in terms of the physical aspect or conditioning required. If that remains the goal then obviously the goal is to reach the top tier, there is no payoff in the lower ranks of contact sports and while the sports are exploding, many of the guys participating in the sport don't even have the luxury of training full time even when they've made it to the major promotions, every little shred matters at that level and it takes the right kind of person to commit to that kind of life style for that long, especially at your age. Most people can't even commit to a regular workout schedule or eating healthy, boxers, MMA fighters, and a lot of other athletes have to basically go a whole different level above what your typical fitness buff's are up to.

Originally Posted by danny81

why is alchol so bad? even once a month?

Once a month is good. Hell, one drink a day is very healthy for you. Binge drinking and Friday night drink-o-romas are very bad for your health. One smoke a day of tobacco is very harmful to you.