Thread: boxing help

You get who your natural style imitates yet? Are you an Ali style of boxer? A Tyson, a Greg Page, a Lewis, a Holmes? All very different ... who do you box like?

Do you do stance training??.. more ma than boxing ..but If you're saying what I think you're saying holding some low wide squats for a min - 3 - 5 at a time and stetching into your pelvic- thigh tendons through extending stretches 9 I.e. hook leg on height / platform over hip height, turn / pivot pull out of hip - roll down through back palm to ground drop head- relax shoulders . pull head to ground - roll out - rpt on side angle - foot pointed toes 45 degrees and less to ground - torso follws arms in slow slide overhead / half twist + slide chest / head down leg - change sides) should help you out big time. Shaolin is huuge on stuff like that.
It's about core and soft leg stabilastion ( heels down)to change on the circling either direction or into a strike or block right?? .. which you need to twist or turn into and shuffle 1, 1, impact on 2 ( or so ) in and out of .. try some taichi or bagua zhang. No shit .. they have three and 8 step rythyms for exaactly circling wide or narrow that'd really help you get comfortable enough to do something else while you were doing that.. like strike .. lol.. you boxers are fun.
hope you sort it out and start boxing ... like you want to.

Blooming tianshi lotus.

yah i found my style. i stay outside and jab. and use my defensive skills to not get hit while i stay jabbing then when hes hurt i bob and weave inside and infight

uhh blooming. its not that it hurts doing it. its just my feet come close together as opposed to staying wide.

Why would you want to keep your feet wide?

front foot forward lateral spriunts up a hill

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

Why would you want to keep your feet wide?

because if you bring them close togeth you have shit balance and stability

I know some people who use those elastic bands to train, where your legs are tied at "optimal footing" and you want to keep some tension on it while you circle to make sure footing is good.

Do you just forget to bring them back out after changing footing? It sounds like you just need more spar time with someone watching you.

Originally Posted by KentDog

I know some people who use those elastic bands to train, where your legs are tied at "optimal footing" and you want to keep some tension on it while you circle to make sure footing is good.

Do you just forget to bring them back out after changing footing? It sounds like you just need more spar time with someone watching you.

excellent training method for stance and footwork

Originally Posted by danny81

yah i found my style. i stay outside and jab. and use my defensive skills to not get hit while i stay jabbing then when hes hurt i bob and weave inside and infight

Where do you keep your hands? Up higher or mid level? Down low, or always changing?

Originally Posted by danny81

uhh blooming. its not that it hurts doing it. its just my feet come close together as opposed to staying wide.

Hehe.. i'm impressed you understood my post .
.. except that i didn't say i thought it hurt you to do it.. It just trains you to keep warm in areas that support and facilitate easy entry into more stable movement at the width.
I agree with who ever said that a wide stance doesn't give you better stabilty and balance.. quite contrary as in our circles, it 'd fairly popular belief and experience that the narrower and lower the stance, the faster and more stable you'll be which translates into being able to block heavier hits and better strike speed because you don't have to move your position from what should therefore be aanywhere at all, to use the fastest line to reach your target and your most stable feet and core to add to your thrust. . providing you practice keeping your shoulders/knees and toes aligned and throw strikes with those bits following each other - twist or no. i also find i have faster feet when i'm in a more narrow stance to move in and out of range with.
Still my 2 cents worth, but if you want to work wide stances - .. to be honest,.. no wonnder you're feeling awkward and unstable. Key words LOW ( and in crouch or sink low like a creeping tiger ) and NARROW .. like an agile magpie hopping on a field . ( they really use these animals to explain at my school :0!!.. lol .)
Try this - tai chi circle step - to practice - walk in circles using tempo of step with one foot / step with other pivot or change direction on third step which will be your original foot. Sounds easy but that's only because it is. Try that adding block and strike combos. It's from 'chen tai chi' - advanced sticky hands preparation training . if you can get an instructional dvd , your martial skill oughtn't regret you did.

I quite like what Bonecrusher's saying though .. but if you go wide, .. to get out of their guard.. maybe trying doing that and bringing your other foot back in to narrow would help to maintain your stability.. Sounds like you 're a bit keen and over exaggerate the need but then you don't know how to manage your foundation from there.
I think I get the clash of logic and rule that you're using.. as funny as that is.. maybe you're a whole other martial artist and nott a boxer. and maybe you'd have more fun and be much bettter if you tried on an art that let you block from the inside. Ring martial arts dooes clash with what Ii think is best practical defense applications. It bugs me trying to co-ordinate having to block from the outside!!!:/.. because it doesn't bleeeding make sense!..except in the ring. Sorry if that offends you but it's my honest take. Have you ever tried sanshou or wingchun?? What about boxing legends??.. do you watch theiir fights much to study themm and how theyy move??




Blooming tianshi lotus.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Where do you keep your hands? Up higher or mid level? Down low, or always changing?

im constanly changing them. i fight with hands high then i will drop them both down to like waist level and then go mayweaher style or cross armed. or just roy jones style im constantly changing.

also should i stay on the balls of both feet or jsut the back?

Originally Posted by danny81

also should i stay on the balls of both feet or jsut the back?

balls of both feet. dont be flat footed on either foot. and focus on keeping your hands up at all times. your not pro and you dont have the speed of mayweather or jones. you try and do something fancy and anyone with any kind of skill is going to test your jaw real quick. its a great way to get knocked the f#$%( out

Originally Posted by danny81

because if you bring them close togeth you have shit balance and stability

Dude if you cant balance you need to seriously work on that...

When you throw punches from angles you are required to shift weight from foot-to-foot, and often pivot or twist on the balls of your feet...

How do you expect to do that if your feet aren't central under the weight-axis of your torso?

Originally Posted by bio-chem

balls of both feet. dont be flat footed on either foot. and focus on keeping your hands up at all times. your not pro and you dont have the speed of mayweather or jones. you try and do something fancy and anyone with any kind of skill is going to test your jaw real quick. its a great way to get knocked the f#$%( out

Funny that you say that. My friends little bro came over my house the other day. He's 22. He was talking about this Philly block or something. His jab hand was hanging by his waist and his right across his chest. He was bouncing all around. He was gassed by the 2nd round. Although he is a complete newbie when it comes to sparring. I love fighting kids who think they are all tough and they can't hit me once in 5 rounds.

My advice is to use the heavy bag like normal people do, not just for working out. The heavy bag is where you work out your issues. It's all about focus. No one here can give you a magic gadget like bands that will do you any better than focus will. Look at that heavy bag like it just slapped your momma, and then focus your eyes on your feet looking at nothing else and just let your upper body go to work. Constantly move around the bag. Do NOT just stand in place. Work on combos with 3 punches or more while you watch how your feet land as you circle the bag. As you hit the bag with a power punch ... still FOCUSING on your feet not the punch ... plant your heel and twist at the hips throwing the power from the floor through your body to the bag, then move to the next strike. Don't be lazy and only throw 1 or 2 punches. Mix up transition combos that combine kidney punches with head strikes. Work that for a month and you issues will be gone I guarantee.

By now with all the boxing workouts you've done your upper body should have some muscle memory built up that will allow you to just go on a kinda upper body auto-pilot. With that done you can just watch where you put your feet as you CONSTANTLY circle the bag. Constantly circle the bag and focus on your feet. Same way you trained your upper body while you were hitting the heavy bag is how you train your legs. That's really what you're trying to do ... train your legs to go into their own kinda auto pilot.

As far as ball of the feet or flat footed it's about what you are doing in that moment. If you're not striking than ball of the foot, but as you strike you want the heel to be planted for a power shot so that you get solid skeletal support from the heel through to what ever strike you're throwing out there. Then you instantly transition into your next move whether it be another strike or some kind of other movement. What I mean is do not stay flat footed. Get back up off your heels and stay busy.

You're natural style sounds like that of Tommy Hearns. If so then watch how Hearns uses his elbows as part of his guard and watch how he uses his feet. You'll see he's on the balls of his feet until the exact second he is landing a power strike. He'll drop to the flat then he instantly is back on the balls of his feet. The transition is from ball to flat back to ball is instantaneous.

thanks. im watching the vid now

Originally Posted by danny81

uhh blooming. its not that it hurts doing it. its just my feet come close together as opposed to staying wide.

Get a wooden dowel, cut it to the width of your stance and then drill holes through each end. Next put some foam on each end and then lash each side around your ankles. Use it while doing bag work, then when you aren't tripping over it all the time try sparring with it. If you want to get more complex make it out of tube material of 2 sizes, put a spring inside that makes it able to be squeezed but the tension will force your stance wide again....

Or you could tie a couple ropes around your waist and have 2 people try to pull you off balance while you work the bag??

thanks good ideas

1st of all...

Don't just use the heavy bag...

If you are working on developing movement and speed you need to be working with the headache bag...

Also work on stepping in and out pivoting and circling while your work the speed bag... Work the speed bag on the bounce as if you are jumping rope... Don't stand in front of it, move under it and in and around it...

Also if you have a bodybag or uppercut bag you can practice movement and add power shots with one of these, plus these are the BEFT for learning to work and throw accurate punches from angles while on the move..

This VID is a bad example...

But you "CAN" see the bodysnatcher bag, how it moves, and how you can use it to throw punches from all angles; as well as, learning to move your feet and set and adjust to throw power shots from those angles...






Here is the headache bag...
This guy is working good angles and combinations...
Moving well, but kind of moving slowly and not committing a ton of power
which I like to do with this bag

alright i just got a double end bag. so now i have a double end bag,heavybag, speedbag, and some focus pads.

Originally Posted by danny81

alright i just got a double end bag. so now i have a double end bag,heavybag, speedbag, and some focus pads.

Good, make sure when using them to be aware of your footwork as well. It sounds like you just need more practice with a trainer watching your footwork.

When I was a teen 13, 14, 15 my whole room was turned into a training center, I had a stand I could put my bags on, I put tennis balls on strings hanging from my ceiling fan turned it on low and had them swing wildly as I dodged them and worked on my bag, I used the wooden dowel method to ensure I kept a wide stance but it also made me work on shifting my stance faster or it wold trip me up. Later I talked my friends into building an outdoor Martial Arts training place in the wods by my house, we made heavy bags out of old military duffel bags my father got from the Surplus store. We filled some with sand and one with these beans that grew on trees around. We put one bag on a pulley and a cable that made a slight incline then we put the tires like you see football players running through around it and as you worked it it would move along the pulley. If you really want to then use your imagination and build your own devices, I only did this because my father wouldn't pay for me to go to any schools to get the training I wanted. After he saw how much work I put into building my own stuff he finally started paying for me to go to different schools, but he wouldn't let me stick with any single style, he was a firm believer in Bruce Lee's training methods so he would make me change schools My first school was Tang Soo Do, then he sent me to a Jeet Kune Do instructor and my last school was Aikido. I would say that if you want the best out of your training to go to several different schools...

yup i agree. im learning wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, and soon savate

savate = GHEY

Just go to the ballet studio instead -