Thread: Vick's problem has been identified

There were 3 perps who shot and killed a cop and the stupid cunt has the nerve to blame the cops for putting her son in jail.
She killed a cop you stupid cunt!

I think almost all parents do this, not just Vick's. When sons and daughters fuck up, most parents will still support them out of love. Yes it is totally dumb and makes no sense, but I do understand who they do it.

Originally Posted by KelJu

I think almost all parents do this, not just Vick's. When sons and daughters fuck up, most parents will still support them out of love. Yes it is totally dumb and makes no sense, but I do understand who they do it.

Beat me too it.

clemson it's her job to stick for him ... she's his mom.

it's hard to be sensible n remove emotion when you are a mom. i wonder if he had pets growing up...

Originally Posted by Little Wing

it's hard to be sensible n remove emotion when you are a mom. i wonder if he had pets growing up...

no, they were property, not pets

...

She also popped out a kid that said "It's not a big deal. I'll just move on to the next level, baby" after being kicked out of school for multiple unlawful incidents.

She should be in jail for being a horrible fucking parent and a waste of space in the free world.

Im probably gonna get flamed... but...


I think this case is gone way overboard.

What Vick did was wrong, no argument. It was terrible and vile.

However, in perspective, how many players YEARLY get DUI's that could potentially kill PEOPLE and not animals, yet get nothing more than a couple thousand dollar fines? Why arent they suspended from the game ?

In all reality, dogs are just dogs. Animals. They have the right to be treated respectfully, but IMO there are much worse crimes happening all the time that go un-noticed.

DUI's are 10 times more problematic with 20 times the reprecussions and yet, nobody says anything.

But fighting animals will get you a life suspension, and 3-5 in prison.

Brilliant.

Originally Posted by camarosuper6

Im probably gonna get flamed... but...


I think this case is gone way overboard.

What Vick did was wrong, no argument. It was terrible and vile.

However, in perspective, how many players YEARLY get DUI's that could potentially kill PEOPLE and not animals, yet get nothing more than a couple thousand dollar fines? Why arent they suspended from the game ?

In all reality, dogs are just dogs. Animals. They have the right to be treated respectfully, but IMO there are much worse crimes happening all the time that go un-noticed.

DUI's are 10 times more problematic with 20 times the reprecussions and yet, nobody says anything.

But fighting animals will get you a life suspension, and 3-5 in prison.

Brilliant.

and with your job i'm guessing you have seen some aftermath of drunk drivers.

Please help me to understand U.S law a little..? Here in the U.K, if you commit a crime you are charged with that crime & you don't "make a deal" with the prosecution to be found guilty for a crime which you didn't commit.
Why is the U.S judical system saturated with these plea deals, either they committed the offense or they didn't..??

Originally Posted by tingnting

Please help me to understand U.S law a little..? Here in the U.K, if you commit a crime you are charged with that crime & you don't "make a deal" with the prosecution to be found guilty for a crime which you didn't commit.
Why is the U.S judical system saturated with these plea deals, either they committed the offense or they didn't..??

Do I detect a we are better than you post here?

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Do I detect a we are better than you post here?

No, not at all..I wanted to know the logic behind it, that's all, nothing sinister.!!

Originally Posted by tingnting

No, not at all..I wanted to know the logic behind it, that's all, nothing sinister.!!

So then you don't understand the plea-bargaining system? Everyone in England who gets charged with a crime goes to trial each time? The system is forced to pay for a trial every time? Or do you cut deals and save the huge expense that a 100% trial system would cost?

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

So then you don't understand the plea-bargaining system? Everyone in England who gets charged with a crime goes to trial each time? The system is forced to pay for a trial every time? Or do you cut deals and save the huge expense that a 100% trial system would cost?

Yeah, basically.. thats pretty much it.. The Crown prosecution will look & assess all the evidence & will charge the defendant accordingly.
I'm sure that it is an expensive long drawn out process, but that's how it works over here in the U.K.
I'm not saying our way of doing things is better than yours, all i'm asking is why some many plea deals..?!

Originally Posted by camarosuper6

Im probably gonna get flamed... but...


I think this case is gone way overboard.

What Vick did was wrong, no argument. It was terrible and vile.

However, in perspective, how many players YEARLY get DUI's that could potentially kill PEOPLE and not animals, yet get nothing more than a couple thousand dollar fines? Why arent they suspended from the game ?

In all reality, dogs are just dogs. Animals. They have the right to be treated respectfully, but IMO there are much worse crimes happening all the time that go un-noticed.

DUI's are 10 times more problematic with 20 times the reprecussions and yet, nobody says anything.

But fighting animals will get you a life suspension, and 3-5 in prison.

Brilliant.

IMO killing dogs is premeditated. He knew what he was doing, planned on doing it, and obviously shows no remorse. While I'm not trying to defend drunk drivers at all because I think it's a terrible thing. It's probably a pretty rare occasion when someone says "I'm going to get drunk and run somebody over." Also, we hear about drunk driving all the time in the U.S, whereas this is the first time that I've ever heard in detail the happenings of dog fighting.

Originally Posted by tingnting

Yeah, basically.. thats pretty much it.. The Crown prosecution will look & assess all the evidence & will charge the defendant accordingly.
I'm sure that it is an expensive long drawn out process, but that's how it works over here in the U.K.
I'm not saying our way of doing things is better than yours, all i'm asking is why some many plea deals..?!

I suppose if we had as small of a system as you do we could take each and every person through the entire process, but we don't. Our system is so vast that we are forced to use a barter system. Agree to lesser charges and you get the deal ... be a dick and push your luck and we throw the book at you if you lose. It really is more about time than money. If we tried everyone then the system would be so backed up an innocent man with no bail money could be locked up for five years before his trial started ...

^^I actually like the aspect of our judicial system. I think it makes great sense to come to an agreement before expanding resources. The problem, of course, is the media, and the celebrity factor that makes a mockery out of our justice system each and every time.

What he did was unspeakable. How can anyone do such things to an animal, or a human is beyond me. Animals provide unconditional love. They look to you for everything. I'm so disgusted by the way some people treat their pets that I would love to seriously kick their ass and seen them put away forever.

I'm a firm believer in eye for an eye way of things.

Originally Posted by camarosuper6

Im probably gonna get flamed... but...


I think this case is gone way overboard.

What Vick did was wrong, no argument. It was terrible and vile.

However, in perspective, how many players YEARLY get DUI's that could potentially kill PEOPLE and not animals, yet get nothing more than a couple thousand dollar fines? Why arent they suspended from the game ?

In all reality, dogs are just dogs. Animals. They have the right to be treated respectfully, but IMO there are much worse crimes happening all the time that go un-noticed.

DUI's are 10 times more problematic with 20 times the reprecussions and yet, nobody says anything.

But fighting animals will get you a life suspension, and 3-5 in prison.

Brilliant.

I DEFINITELY understand what you mean by this,

DUI's often go more or less unpunished

however, intentional torture, and painful meaningless killing of animals is a major sign of very dangerous mental problems. It takes a wretched son of a bitch to not only make animals fight to the death, but to kill them with your own hands, in the most horrible way you could imagine. It shows a propensity towards violence towards mankind, possibly deep-rooted self esteem issues that so wrack the offender to the point of them feeling the need to assert their power over creatures that cannot properly resist.

Again, he didn't just kill these dogs, he tortured most of them until they died.

He needs to be out of the fucking spotlight, and into that jailcell.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

I suppose if we had as small of a system as you do we could take each and every person through the entire process, but we don't. Our system is so vast that we are forced to use a barter system. Agree to lesser charges and you get the deal ... be a dick and push your luck and we throw the book at you if you lose. It really is more about time than money. If we tried everyone then the system would be so backed up an innocent man with no bail money could be locked up for five years before his trial started ...

Fair point..!

Originally Posted by KelJu

I think almost all parents do this, not just Vick's. When sons and daughters fuck up, most parents will still support them out of love. Yes it is totally dumb and makes no sense, but I do understand who they do it.

This is part of the problems. Parents need to stop making excusses and kissing the ass of their kids. When I messed up as a kid my mother was the one that turned me in. Not only that but she knew the chief of police at the time and told him not to have any leniancy on me. How is down playing and making excusses for your childs horseshit going to help them succeed in real life. Its not, thats the way she raised her kids that they can do no wrong, and this is where they ended up.

Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait

I DEFINITELY understand what you mean by this,

DUI's often go more or less unpunished

however, intentional torture, and painful meaningless killing of animals is a major sign of very dangerous mental problems. It takes a wretched son of a bitch to not only make animals fight to the death, but to kill them with your own hands, in the most horrible way you could imagine. It shows a propensity towards violence towards mankind, possibly deep-rooted self esteem issues that so wrack the offender to the point of them feeling the need to assert their power over creatures that cannot properly resist.

Again, he didn't just kill these dogs, he tortured most of them until they died.

He needs to be out of the fucking spotlight, and into that jailcell.

I don't have the statistics in front of me, but, from memory, 90% (or more) of all known serial killers start with animals before they move on to humans.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I don't have the statistics in front of me, but, from memory, 90% (or more) of all known serial killers start with animals before they move on to humans.

I don't remember either,

but my uncle was a psych tech at Atascadero State [Mental] Hospital, my mother worked in paroles, and my other uncle was a Hospital Police Officer there.

I've heard more than I ever wanted to know about the criminally insane.

Sheriff Raids DMX's Home, Seizes Dogs -- Newsday.com

Originally Posted by Jodi

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Much like the Roman empire fell, so must the Rap Empire.....this will bring it down.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Much like the Roman empire fell, so must the Rap Empire.....this will bring it down.

Nice thought, but I doubt it.