Thread: Guns

So you are 18 and want a gun. First, go off and get one. Get it out of your system and bust up some bottles. Then put it aside. Do not carry a handgun unless you're on the job. If you carry every time you go out... the gun owns you and you are a royal pussy.

Is it expensive?

You have to be 21 to get a pistol permit in Alabama, but it may be different elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Hoglander

So you are 18 and want a gun. First, go off and get one. Get it out of your system and bust up some bottles. Then put it aside. Do not carry a handgun unless you're on the job. If you carry every time you go out... the gun owns you and you are a royal pussy.

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Handguns are expensive. The good ones anyway. Treat them as the investment they are, not only monetarily but, you're investing in something that may very well save your life. Don't scrimp on pennies when it comes to life saving tools. Do some research, not just books and magazines but, go to your local gun range and rent different models that interest you. First and foremost, don't buy a particular gun just because it's fashionable. Glocks are very fine weapons, but they're also very "Hollywood". If you like the feel of a Glock and you can shoot it well then, by all means, buy it. But try other brands and models first. You may find a weapon that you like even more. I have never held a Glock that feels comfortable to me. I'm a .45 ACP 1911 person myself. I like the way they feel in my hand and I can hit what I'm aiming at every time. Last but certainly not least, caliber selection is every bit as important as weapon selection. Again, don't but a certain caliber just because that's what everybody on T.V. is shooting. Yeah, 9mm is very popular, but it's by no means the best self-defense caliber. The documented best self-defense handgun caliber is the .357 Magnum, 125 grain hollow-point. But the .357 is a revolver caliber so it isn't very popular. So what? When my life is on the line I want effectiveness, not popularity. The .45 ACP is a very close second. You've got some good resources here at IM. If you have any questions at all, fire off a few PM's. (That way you won't have to listen to BS from the peanut gallery.)

1. You don't fucking need a hand gun.
2. If you're going to buy one, spend more on a quality piece.
3. 1911 is absolutely badass
4. If you really want to shoot guns, there's always the Army and the Marines. Fuck, they'll even pay for your ammo!!!

Originally Posted by ALBOB

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Handguns are expensive. The good ones anyway. Treat them as the investment they are, not only monetarily but, you're investing in something that may very well save your life. Don't scrimp on pennies when it comes to life saving tools. Do some research, not just books and magazines but, go to your local gun range and rent different models that interest you. First and foremost, don't buy a particular gun just because it's fashionable. Glocks are very fine weapons, but they're also very "Hollywood". If you like the feel of a Glock and you can shoot it well then, by all means, buy it. But try other brands and models first. You may find a weapon that you like even more. I have never held a Glock that feels comfortable to me. I'm a .45 ACP 1911 person myself. I like the way they feel in my hand and I can hit what I'm aiming at every time. Last but certainly not least, caliber selection is every bit as important as weapon selection. Again, don't but a certain caliber just because that's what everybody on T.V. is shooting. Yeah, 9mm is very popular, but it's by no means the best self-defense caliber. The documented best self-defense handgun caliber is the .357 Magnum, 125 grain hollow-point. But the .357 is a revolver caliber so it isn't very popular. So what? When my life is on the line I want effectiveness, not popularity. The .45 ACP is a very close second. You've got some good resources here at IM. If you have any questions at all, fire off a few PM's. (That way you won't have to listen to BS from the peanut gallery.)

The only thing I'd add to a an already great post is that while you are at that firing range take a handgun safety course. The class is cheap and you will even get some training on how to fire your weapon of choice accurately.

Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait

in light of recent discussions,

im looking into getting a pistol,

glock 19 specifically, for self defense, entertainment purposes

federal hydra shock rounds, but not for target/entertainment shooting.

any opinions? kinda want to talk about guns right now

Then I would go to the many good gun oriented forums and look at the threads regarding being new to guns, etc. Lots of choices out there.

Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait

btw, moving to minnesota. so I believe I can own a handgun, just dont have a job that would allow me to have a concealed weapons permit, though I might look into a security officer job a couple nights a week.

For MN laws, see Handgunlaw.us

Originally Posted by ALBOB

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It's a winner!

Originally Posted by ALBOB

I'm a .45 ACP 1911 person myself. )

All real shooters are.... (ducking from the glock lovers!)

Is it me or is it just because I live in NYC, you don't normally see people with guns with the exception of the Police or the bad guys.
I think I may have only come across 2 or 3 people in my lifetime who carry guns legally.
One was a brinks guard but he leaves it at home.

Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait

in light of recent discussions,

im looking into getting a pistol,

glock 19 specifically, for self defense, entertainment purposes

federal hydra shock rounds, but not for target/entertainment shooting.

any opinions? kinda want to talk about guns right now

btw, moving to minnesota. so I believe I can own a handgun, just dont have a job that would allow me to have a concealed weapons permit, though I might look into a security officer job a couple nights a week.

Where in MN are you thinking about moving to?

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Is it me or is it just because I live in NYC, you don't normally see people with guns with the exception of the Police or the bad guys.
I think I may have only come across 2 or 3 people in my lifetime who carry guns legally.
One was a brinks guard but he leaves it at home.

It's because you live in NYC, and trust me, you aren't missing much.

why do you want a glock? they are pretty shitty. if you want a good gun you cant go wrong with a .44 or a 357. berettas are pretty nice to.

Originally Posted by iMan323

1. You don't fucking need a hand gun.

Normally I'd characterize this as typical liberal elitism, but I'm going to exercise some restraint for a change and ask a question. How do you, who don't know anything about this person's situation, feel qualified to tell him what he does or doesn't need?

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

The only thing I'd add to a an already great post is that while you are at that firing range take a handgun safety course. The class is cheap and you will even get some training on how to fire your weapon of choice accurately.

Excellent point.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Is it me or is it just because I live in NYC, you don't normally see people with guns with the exception of the Police or the bad guys.
I think I may have only come across 2 or 3 people in my lifetime who carry guns legally.
One was a brinks guard but he leaves it at home.

Name one city in the country where you DO see everybody walking around with six-shooters on their hips. Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they're not there.

and what exactly makes them shitty??

Originally Posted by ALBOB

Name one city in the country where you DO see everybody walking around with six-shooters on their hips. Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they're not there.

Though I understand your point, and it's a correct one, he's right: only bad guys and police have guns in NYC....

Feel safer now?

Originally Posted by ALBOB

Excellent point.

Many, if not most, states require a basic course to get a CCW now anyway.

Originally Posted by iMan323

It's because you live in NYC, and trust me, you aren't missing much.

Am I right, you do notice the same don't you?

Originally Posted by ALBOB

Name one city in the country where you DO see everybody walking around with six-shooters on their hips. Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they're not there.

I come across a lot of people and trust me when I say it, not too many New Yorkers (from the city) carry concealed weapons. Maybe in Long Island but not in NYC.

You can't buy a hand gun legally in NYC.
If I sound stupid you just have to excuse me but it's not something you see all the time.

Originally Posted by iMan323

It's because you live in NYC,

True enough

Originally Posted by iMan323

and trust me, you aren't missing much.

Yes, he’s only missing a Constitutional Right, which is no big deal…

Remember, the Brady Bunch gives NY a solid B+ on its restrictive guns laws. It gives D and F's for all those states where your Const Right is supported, such as NH or VT. Me, I live in a state that gets an A- from the Brady Bunch!

So, if you want to find the safest place to live, pick a state that gets the WORST grade by the Brady Bunch:

Brady Bunch Grade by state:

New York . . . . . . B+
Vermont . . . . . . . D-
New Hampshire . . D-
Maine . . . . . . . . . D-
Massachusetts . . . A-
Connecticut . . . . . A-
Rhode Island . . . . B-


2005 FBI UCR data of crime/homicide rates per 100,000 people:

Region . . . Violent Crime, Homicide Rates
USA National . . 569.2 , 5.6
New York . . . . 445.8 , 4.5
Vermont . . . . . 119.7 , 1.3
New Hampshire 132.0 , 1.4
Maine . . . . . . . 112.2 , 1.4
Massachusetts . 456.9 , 2.7
Connecticut . . . 274.5 , 2.9
Rhode Island . . 251.2 , 3.2

Originally Posted by WillBrink

Though I understand your point, and it's a correct one, he's right: only bad guys and police have guns in NYC....

Feel safer now?

So you must have been to NYC, see my point?
It's not something I can go window shopping to buy.
They don't even sell BB guns here in NYC, I had to go to Long Island to buy one....which Lee found and threw it away.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

So you must have been to NYC,

I grew up in NYC, Brooklyn to be specific. I did know plenty of kids with guns when I grew up there, none of them legal, which only told me what I know know: gun laws only stop honest people from getting guns.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

see my point?

There's a point in there? You say you don't see a lot of legal guns. Not sure what point there is to take from that.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

It's not something I can go window shopping to buy.

Yes I know, that's good old NYC for ya. Though I bet there is a sports store some place that has some guns in it some place in NYC, it's not common.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

They don't even sell BB guns here in NYC, I had to go to Long Island to buy one....which Lee found and threw it away.

Bummer!

Originally Posted by WillBrink

There's a point in there? You say you don't see a lot of legal guns. Not sure what point there is to take from that.

Well there was really none, just saying that it's way easier for a criminal to get a gun.

Where in Brooklyn were you from?

I can get an Uzi real easy.....but it's HOT.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I come across a lot of people and trust me when I say it, not too many New Yorkers (from the city) carry concealed weapons. Maybe in Long Island but not in NYC.

You can't buy a hand gun legally in NYC.
If I sound stupid you just have to excuse me but it's not something you see all the time.

If I had to bet money I'd say those "LOT" of people are honest people. That's just it, NYC has about the most restrictive gun laws in the country, but only honest people obey laws. So, when you say "not too many New Yorkers carry concealed weapons", you're only talking about the honest ones that you come in contact with.

Originally Posted by ALBOB

Normally I'd characterize this as typical liberal elitism, but I'm going to exercise some restraint for a change and ask a question. How do you, who don't know anything about this person's situation, feel qualified to tell him what he does or doesn't need?

Because nobody in this country _needs_ a gun. Please tell me of a problem that an 18 year old with a hand gun can solve. I'm not a liberal, btw.

Originally Posted by ALBOB

If I had to bet money I'd say those "LOT" of people are honest people. That's just it, NYC has about the most restrictive gun laws in the country, but only honest people obey laws. So, when you say "not too many New Yorkers carry concealed weapons", you're only talking about the honest ones that you come in contact with.

I can count the honest ones on one hand, the dishonest ones seem to always carry more than one gun.....and I don't have enough digits to count how many criminals have one.