Thread: What it means to have human rights?

I don't think human rights really exist.

Originally Posted by KelJu

I don't think human rights really exist.

How do you mean? Are you saying that they simply cannot be protected, or that the theory of human rights itself is just bullshit?

Originally Posted by KentDog

How do you mean? Are you saying that they simply cannot be protected, or that the theory of human rights itself is just bullshit?

They don't exist except on paper. There is nobody to uphold human rights. It is a the responsibility of each person to treat others with respect and dignity which is the root philosophy that gave birth to the idea of human rights. But as people often do not treat others with respect and dignity, therefor human rights doesn't truly exist.


If there were a global taskforce to police human rights, then they would exist. Otherwise it is nothing more than a topic for discussion and nothing else.

Originally Posted by KelJu

They don't exist except on paper. There is nobody to uphold human rights. It is a the responsibility of each person to treat others with respect and dignity which is the root philosophy that gave birth to the idea of human rights. But as people often do not treat others with respect and dignity, therefor human rights doesn't truly exist.


If there were a global taskforce to police human rights, then they would exist. Otherwise it is nothing more than a topic for discussion and nothing else.

Few things in life are absolute. Generally, they come in degrees.

There's a world of difference in human rights between the US and China. I really hope that you see that.

Originally Posted by KelJu

They don't exist except on paper. There is nobody to uphold human rights. It is a the responsibility of each person to treat others with respect and dignity which is the root philosophy that gave birth to the idea of human rights. But as people often do not treat others with respect and dignity, therefor human rights doesn't truly exist.


If there were a global taskforce to police human rights, then they would exist. Otherwise it is nothing more than a topic for discussion and nothing else.

That was deep.

The US is the closest thing the world ever had to this "global taskforce" and everyone hates us.

Americans care about one thing. MONEY The Human right to make MONEY no matter who gets hurt in the process.

Originally Posted by NordicNacho

Americans care about one thing. MONEY The Human right to make MONEY no matter who gets hurt in the process.

You, sir, are a moron.

And your gay but I don't call you names just cause you put things in your butt

Originally Posted by NordicNacho

And your gay but I don't call you names just cause you things in your butt

good one

Originally Posted by DOMS

Few things in life are absolute. Generally, they come in degrees.

There's a world of difference in human rights between the US and China. I really hope that you see that.

Kentdog is talking about this I think.
Universal Declaration of Human Rights

My point is there is no force that can uphold or has been halfway successful at adhering to these codes of conduct.

Originally Posted by NordicNacho

Americans care about one thing. MONEY The Human right to make MONEY no matter who gets hurt in the process.

And this is different from everyone else, how?

In any case, no one gives out as much money and materials to other people that the US.

Originally Posted by KelJu

Kentdog is talking about this I think.
Universal Declaration of Human Rights

My point is there is no force that can uphold or has been halfway successful at adhering to these codes of conduct.

A simple and undeniable fact: You cannot legislate morality or goodwill.

Originally Posted by NordicNacho

I feel you have the human right to put things in your butt. And that the Federal or State Government should not be allowed to stop you from putting things in your butt

30 years old? Really?

Originally Posted by DOMS

In any case, no one gives out as much money and materials to other people that the US.

Everyone seems to forget that fact...

Originally Posted by DOMS

And this is different from everyone else, how?

In any case, no one gives out as much money and materials to other people that the US.

But where do we get the money from? China , Japan, Banks

We give more aid to the poor country of Isreal then any other country.

We really love those Jews

We are running a 500,000,000,000 dollar trade deficit so you could say we give a whole lot more.

Just sghop at wal-mart and give a little more

Originally Posted by NordicNacho

But where do we get the money from? China , Japan, Banks

We give more aid to the poor country of Isreal then any other country.

We really love those Jews

They're our best ally in the Middle East.

And my point was that we give out more than anyone else. Personally, I say fuck all the recipients that aren't active allies. Screw throwing money that is the shithole called Africa.

Originally Posted by DOMS

A simple and undeniable fact: You cannot legislate morality or goodwill.

My point exactly. Hence, human rights don't exist.

Originally Posted by busyLivin

Everyone seems to forget that fact...

Not that we should. Hell, we're giving millions to North Korea through the UN via the WMF. I say that we should stop feeding them and either get rid of Kim or starve to death.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Not that we should. Hell, we're giving millions to North Korea through the UN via the WMF. I say that we should stop feeding them and either get rid of Kim or starve to death.

better yet get rid of the joke that is the UN

All aid together is about 15-20 billion a year. not much

We have spent over 500 billion in Iraq and they still bitch and even worse try to kill us, they sure are greedy. What can you do though? Lets spend more

Originally Posted by KelJu

My point exactly. Hence, human rights don't exist.

Not on a legal scale, no. But there are human rights, but it comes from people's cultures, not their laws.

I benefit from human rights here in the US. I doubt that the same could be said for places like North Korea.

Originally Posted by busyLivin

better yet get rid of the joke that is the UN

Originally Posted by NordicNacho

All aid together is about 15-20 billion a year. not much

We have spent over 500 billion in Iraq and they still bitch they sure are greedy. What can you do though?

We still give more than anyone else. So they amount to shit by your standards.

Originally Posted by busyLivin

That was deep.

The US is the closest thing the world ever had to this "global taskforce" and everyone hates us.

Our global taskforce always serves our best interest, not the interest of human rights. If we applied the concepts of human rights in our foreign policy, we would be a better liked, less powerful country.

the recognition of Human rights will be alot better in the future throughout the world. It was less then 50 years ago before everyone got equal rights in the US. It takes time and the internet is spreading information all over the world to every corner.

We saw a lot of genocides during the last century

Originally Posted by DOMS

Not on a legal scale, no. But there are human rights, but it comes from people's cultures, not their laws.

I benefit from human rights here in the US. I doubt that the same could be said for places like North Korea.

Enough of the comparing us to worser countries bullshit. If your kid came home with a d on his report card, and he told you its ok, cause Johnny down the street made worse, you wouldn't buy into to that bullshit. Well thats what you are doing now.

I'm saying why not shoot for being better than we are now rather than being better than China is. We will almost always be better than China is when it comes to human rights. Thats just a cop out to not work harder. Human rights should be our policy, but its not, and nobody out there can make us.

But how is a human right really defined? Yes, human rights in theory are birthrights guaranteed to all members of the human race and should hold true regardless of race, wealth, social class, gender, or religion. But are they really equal? When broken down to social, political, economical, and cultural human rights, is it really fair to say something that flies for an economic human right here (for example, minimum working standards) should fly overseas in China? What about social human rights relating to religion? If you are Islamic, is it okay to marry outside of your caste? Many argue that the Universal Declaration (not that this is the only thing we are focused on here, just going off of something as a guideline) is Western-focused. Islamic law prohibits Muslims from changing their religion, which directly conflicts with Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. So where does religion fit in the spectrum of human rights?

Originally Posted by KelJu

Enough of the comparing us to worser countries bullshit. If your kid came home with a d on his report card, and he told you its ok, cause Johnny down the street made worse, you wouldn't buy into to that bullshit. Well thats what you are doing now.

I'm saying why not shoot for being better than we are now rather than being better than China is. We will almost always be better than China is when it comes to human rights. Thats just a cop out to not work harder. Human rights should be our policy, but its not, and nobody out there can make us.

We are doing better. Or do you think that things here are worse than say, the 50s? And we're doing better than more than China, we're doing better than a huge chunk of the world. But I guess that's not good enough. So fuck it, let's just get rid of human rights. Let me know when it happens, I'll get a gun and long list of Mexicans.