Rush Limbaugh

**brogers** · 10-18-2007, 05:39 PM

FOXNews.com - Rush Limbaugh Earns Big Money From Senate Letter Chastising Him - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

Limbaugh took this letter from democrats (acting like they support our soldiers) claiming he was insulting our soldiers, and is going to auction it off for charity on ebay and match the final bid. The most interesting part: He challenged all 41 of the Democrat Senators who signed the letter to show their support for the troops by matching the bid as well.

Current bid = $851,100.

Even if you don't like him, you have to give the guy credit for completely turning this around on the people who were attacking him, and doing a great thing in the process (raising tons of $$ for the charity). Amazingly, CNN/CBS/ABC/NBC etc aren't covering this, nor are any major papers. I wonder why. I'd have a moment of respect for any of those senators that actually would match the final bid on this item. But they don't really give a crap about our soldiers, just trying to play to their base by attacking Limbaugh, regardless if it is true or not.

A letter sent to Rush Limbaugh's boss demanding he be chastised for comments he made on the air about "phony soldiers" is now on the auction block, and the latest bid is a cool $45,000.
One hundred percent of the money raised from the eBay auction will go to educate the children of Marines and law enforcement officers who died while on duty, the auction says.
Bids will continue until Friday for the letter signed by 41 Democratic senators and sent on Oct. 2 to Mark P. Mays, president of Clear Channel, the parent company of the conservative talk show host's radio broadcast. The winning bidder will get the letter, the "Halliburton briefcase in which this letter is secured 24 hours a day;" a letter of thanks from Limbaugh and a picture of the talkmeister announcing the auction at a speech in Philadelphia delivered last Thursday.
"This historic document may well represent the first time in the history of America that this large a group of U.S. senators attempted to demonize a private citizen by lying about his views. As such, it is a priceless memento of the folly of (Senate Majority Leader) Harry Reid and his 40 senatorial co-signers," reads the eBay announcement.
As of early Monday, 108 bids by 43 bidders had been made on the letter, whose opening bid price was $100.
Playing up the controversy over comments Limbaugh made last month in which he used the term "phony soldiers," seemingly to describe U.S. troops opposed to the Iraq war, Limbaugh told his audience last week that he is going to turn lemons into lemonade.
"Over the last 20 years, I've been called a chicken hawk. I have been accused of being blindly supportive of the military. Now, all of a sudden, I hate the military. All of a sudden, I'm critical of soldiers who are critical of the war — which I have never been," Limbaugh said in his Friday broadcast.
"I would like to issue this challenge to Senator Reid and the 41 senators who signed his letter. You say you support the military. You say you're big, and you think it's patriotic, and that I was unpatriotic. Well, I would like for each of you, Senator Reid, and the 40 senators who signed, to match whatever the winning bid is. Show us your support for the U.S. military by all 41 of you pro-military people, Democrats in the Senate, match whatever the winning bid is and send that amount to the Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Foundation," Limbaugh said. Limbaugh sits on the board of the foundation that has dispersed $29 million for scholarships.
Click here to learn more about the Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Foundation.
The publicity stunt regurgitates a fierce feud earlier this month in which the letter, signed by the Senate Democratic leadership and four Democratic senators running for president, urging Mays "to publicly repudiate" comments made by Limbaugh "that call into question" the service and sacrifice of troops who oppose the war in Iraq.
"Our troops are fighting and dying to bring to others the freedoms that many take for granted. It is unconscionable that Mr. Limbaugh would criticize them for exercising the fundamentally American right to free speech. Mr. Limbaugh has made outrageous remarks before, but this affront to our soldiers is beyond the pale," reads the Democratic letter to Mays.
Mays, who Limbaugh describes as a friend, came to the radio host's defense in an equally strong response letter to Reid.
"Mr. Limbaugh's comments have stirred a lot of emotion, and I have carefully read the transcript in question," Mays wrote. "Given Mr. Limbaugh's history of support for our soldiers, it would be unfair for me to assume his statements were intended to personally indict combat soldiers simply because they didn't share his own beliefs regarding the war in Iraq. ... I will not condemn our talent for exercising their right to voice them."
Limbaugh has denied the term "phony soldiers" referred to former servicemen and women who served in Iraq and now oppose the war, but to those who lied about their service. A literal reading of the Sept. 26 show in question shows that the controversial host did not in fact say that soldiers opposing the war are "phony."
Since the original show, Limbaugh has several times repeated that he was referring to one man: disgraced, convicted former Army soldier-turned-antiwar-activist Jesse Macbeth. Macbeth falsely claimed to have participated in war crimes in Iraq and received a Purple Heart, but in reality, he was discharged after only 44 days of service, never placing a foot in Iraq.
Macbeth was sentenced to five months in prison for fraudulently collecting more than $10,000 in benefits from the Department of Veterans Affairs.
Senate Democrats had refused to offer a resolution on the floor condemning Limbaugh, saying to do so would bring more attention to him. Limbaugh's auction clearly keeps the dispute alive, at least until the end of the week when the bidding ends.

**NordicNacho** · 10-18-2007, 07:09 PM

He got out of going to vietnam because he had a boil on his butt. Real hero and freedom fighter if you ask me.

**KelJu** · 10-18-2007, 07:34 PM

He is also a compulsive hypocrite and lier. What he did with the letter was nothing more than a creative way to get the heat off by changing the subject. He is insanely good at that.

**bigss75** · 10-18-2007, 08:29 PM

Wasn't the whole phoney solider about some guy who was collecting disability because he said he was injuried in iraq but he actually got kicked out of boot camp because he was mentally unfit?

**vortrit** · 10-18-2007, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by NordicNacho

He got out of going to vietnam because he had a boil on his butt. Real hero and freedom fighter if you ask me.

lol. What a hypocrite.

**brogers** · 10-18-2007, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by bigss75

Wasn't the whole phoney solider about some guy who was collecting disability because he said he was injuried in iraq but he actually got kicked out of boot camp because he was mentally unfit?

Yes, and 2 days before that comment ABC had run a segment on "Phony soldiers" ...

**brogers** · 10-18-2007, 09:30 PM

Of course Rush is the hypocrite here, as he shows Harry "the war is lost" Reid and Dick "Soviets in their gulags, Nazis, etc" Durbin (refering to our marines @ Gitmo) who really backs our military. Right. I notice the story virtually died even though this is major news, wouldn't want to embarass the Dem Senators.

**Big Smoothy** · 10-18-2007, 09:30 PM

Limbaugh is an infotainer. Most people (meaning, more than 50%) that listen to him are not very well informed.

People should do their own research and think for themselves, instead of having someone else shape your opinions for you.

**brogers** · 10-18-2007, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

Limbaugh is a infotainer. Most people (meaning, more than 50%) that listen to him are not very informed.

People should do their own research and think for themselves, instead of having someone else shape your opinions for you.

And what does your pointless comment have to do with the fact that Limbaugh turned a baseless attack against him by 41 Senators into a massive charity fundraiser for kids of fallen Marines and/or Federal LE?

Not that you'd care about that, mr. "I support the insurgents." Yeah you're real informed.

**Witmaster** · 10-18-2007, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by brogers

And what does your pointless comment have to do with the fact that Limbaugh turned a baseless attack against him by 41 Senators into a massive charity fundraiser for kids of fallen Marines and/or Federal LE?

Not that you'd care about that, mr. "I support the insurgents." Yeah you're real informed.

It's the #1 tactic in the "Partisan Play-book". Discredit the source no matter what the cost. Even if truth is at stake, it's far more important we slander the speaker rather than listen to what's being said.

**vortrit** · 10-18-2007, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by brogers

And what does your pointless comment have to do with the fact that Limbaugh turned a baseless attack against him by 41 Senators into a massive charity fundraiser for kids of fallen Marines and/or Federal LE?

Not that you'd care about that, mr. "I support the insurgents." Yeah you're real informed.

**Big Smoothy** · 10-18-2007, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by brogers

And what does your pointless comment have to do with the fact that Limbaugh turned a baseless attack against him by 41 Senators into a massive charity fundraiser for kids of fallen Marines and/or Federal LE?

Not that you'd care about that, mr. "I support the insurgents." Yeah you're real informed.

Fair question, brogers. I'll clarify:

Limbaugh is "turning this around" to spin it, and make a spectacle out of it.

It's more media hype. Spin doctor hype.

What does this have to do with the facts of what is going in our government and inside Iraq? What does this auction have to do with America's foreign policy?

Nothing.

**NordicNacho** · 10-18-2007, 10:19 PM

In his own words

**NordicNacho** · 10-18-2007, 10:27 PM

Senator Betrayus

That is what he called Chuck Hagel

What a fat slimy shithole he is

Media Matters - Before MoveOn's "General Betray Us," there was Limbaugh's "Senator Betrayus"

"Born in North Platte, Nebraska, to Betty and Charles Hagel, who had German and Polish ancestry.[2] He graduated from St. Bonaventure High School (now Scotus Central Catholic High School) in Columbus, NE, and the Brown Institute for Radio and Television in 1966 and from the University of Nebraska at Omaha in 1972. Hagel is a Vietnam War veteran, having served in the U.S. Army infantry, attaining the rank of Sergeant (E-5) from 1967–1968. While serving during the Vietnam War, he received the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry, Purple Heart, Army Commendation Medal, and the Combat Infantryman Badge. After returning from Vietnam, Hagel worked as a bartender and radio newscaster while finishing college."

Rush had a boil on his ass so he couldn't go

**Big Smoothy** · 10-18-2007, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by NordicNacho

Senator Betrayus

That is what he called Chuck Hagel

This is another reason why political discourse - and thought - is so bad in America right now.

Instead of focusing on facts and debating points, people are "one-upping' each other.

Sen. Chuck Hagel is one of the very few politicians in Washington who has given his honest opinion, IMO. Especially when it comes to Social Security.

Tune out folks.

**busyLivin** · 10-18-2007, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

Most people (meaning, more than 50%) that listen to him are not very well informed.

How could you possibly come up with that number? It's ridiculous.

**busyLivin** · 10-18-2007, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by brogers

Of course Rush is the hypocrite here, as he shows Harry "the war is lost" Reid and Dick "Soviets in their gulags, Nazis, etc" Durbin (refering to our marines @ Gitmo) who really backs our military. Right. I notice the story virtually died even though this is major news, wouldn't want to embarass the Dem Senators.

**busyLivin** · 10-18-2007, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by NordicNacho

In his own words

I listen to him daily. Everyone knew exactly what he meant, and unfortunately for you, he wasn't calling troops who don't support the war "phony soldiers."

Come up with something legitimate, because frankly this argument is really pathetic.

**NordicNacho** · 10-18-2007, 10:45 PM

Im not proud of the US treating people like this. McCain and Hagel don't go along with this garbage either. You see when you have been tortured for years in Vietnam it sort of gives you a different outlook

Sen. Durbin became a hot media topic on June 14, 2005[7], when on the U.S. Senate floor he compared interrogation techniques used at Camp X-Ray, Guantanamo Bay, as reported by the FBI, with those utilized by such regimes as Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and the Khmer Rouge:

When you read some of the graphic descriptions of what has occurred here — I almost hesitate to put them in the record, and yet they have to be added to this debate. Let me read to you what one FBI agent saw. And I quote from his report:
On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water. Most times they urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18–24 hours or more. On one occasion, the air conditioning had been turned down so far and the temperature was so cold in the room, that the barefooted detainee was shaking with cold....On another occasion, the [air conditioner] had been turned off, making the temperature in the unventilated room well over 100 degrees. The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his hair out throughout the night. On another occasion, not only was the temperature unbearably hot, but extremely loud rap music was being played in the room, and had been since the day before, with the detainee chained hand and foot in the fetal position on the tile floor.
If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime — Pol Pot or others — that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners

Richard Durbin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**danzik17** · 10-18-2007, 10:50 PM

I would vote to extract some "information" from Bush using the same "methods" he endorses.

**NordicNacho** · 10-18-2007, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by danzik17

I would vote to extract some "information" from Bush using the same "methods" he endorses.

It could have happened if his plane had been shot down over texas while he was in the Guard protecting America. His plane could of entered Mexico and God knows what they would have done to him. While rush was home nursing the boil on his butt.

**busyLivin** · 10-18-2007, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by NordicNacho

Im not proud of the US treating people like this. McCain and Hagel don't go along with this garbage either. You see when you have been tortured for years in Vietnam it sort of gives you a different outlook

Sen. Durbin became a hot media topic on June 14, 2005[7], when on the U.S. Senate floor he compared interrogation techniques used at Camp X-Ray, Guantanamo Bay, as reported by the FBI, with those utilized by such regimes as Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and the Khmer Rouge:

When you read some of the graphic descriptions of what has occurred here — I almost hesitate to put them in the record, and yet they have to be added to this debate. Let me read to you what one FBI agent saw. And I quote from his report:
On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water. Most times they urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18–24 hours or more. On one occasion, the air conditioning had been turned down so far and the temperature was so cold in the room, that the barefooted detainee was shaking with cold....On another occasion, the [air conditioner] had been turned off, making the temperature in the unventilated room well over 100 degrees. The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his hair out throughout the night. On another occasion, not only was the temperature unbearably hot, but extremely loud rap music was being played in the room, and had been since the day before, with the detainee chained hand and foot in the fetal position on the tile floor.
If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime — Pol Pot or others — that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners

Richard Durbin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dick Durbin is an asshole. Period.

**busyLivin** · 10-18-2007, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by danzik17

I would vote to extract some "information" from Bush using the same "methods" he endorses.

You people are clowns. Wake up.

**NordicNacho** · 10-18-2007, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by busyLivin

You people are clowns. Wake up.

Coming from someone who listens to rush everyday, a guy who could not serve and protect his country because he had a boil on his butt.

**Big Smoothy** · 10-18-2007, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by busyLivin

How could you possibly come up with that number? It's ridiculous.

Fair point, BL.

I have not seen data, or any valid statistics on radio listeners. However in the 4 cities in the U.S. that I lived in, I worked with and hung out with many people that listened to Limbaugh (and other political radio shows).

Their knowledge of the U.S. government, history, American foreign policy was very limited.

In sum, they were not readers. That didn't read books, and several different domestic and international newspapers.

Statistically, valid studies have shown that a high percentage of Americans don't read books and publications related to foreign policy and domestic politics. (I don't have the links now, sorry.)

It is also a fact over 82% of Americans get the majority of their political information from watching television.

This is why I think many Americans do not debate issues very well, compared to other nationalities.

**brogers** · 10-19-2007, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

Fair question, brogers. I'll clarify:

Limbaugh is "turning this around" to spin it, and make a spectacle out of it.

It's more media hype. Spin doctor hype.

What does this have to do with the facts of what is going in our government and inside Iraq? What does this auction have to do with America's foreign policy?

Nothing.

He was attacked with a lie, which was continued by Harry Reid on the floor of the Senate and endorsed by 40 others. It wasn't a spin, it was showing the truth of who really supports the military, taking one comment completely out of context and ignoring all previous comments is stupid. As of now, because of this smear against him, Rush will have raised AT LEAST 1.7 million dollars. He asked the Dems who signed it to match the bid, to show that they support the soldiers as well (This charity provides scholarships for kids of marines, FBI, and other Federal LE that are KIA'd), I haven't heard ONE WORD from any of them since this happened. In fact the only thing I've seen is some idiots on left-wing blogs trying to get the bid taken down..... Why in the world would anyone be trying to stop money from going to a good charity? Think about that one.

**brogers** · 10-19-2007, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

Fair point, BL.

I have not seen data, or any valid statistics on radio listeners. However in the 4 cities in the U.S. that I lived in, I worked with and hung out with many people that listened to Limbaugh (and other political radio shows).

Their knowledge of the U.S. government, history, American foreign policy was very limited.

In sum, they were not readers. That didn't read books, and several different domestic and international newspapers.

Statistically, valid studies have shown that a high percentage of Americans don't read books and publications related to foreign policy and domestic politics. (I don't have the links now, sorry.)

It is also a fact over 82% of Americans get the majority of their political information from watching television.

This is why I think many Americans do not debate issues very well, compared to other nationalities.

I'd give you 2-1 odds Limbaugh's audience is more informed (with truth) than the average American voter.

**brogers** · 10-19-2007, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by NordicNacho

Coming from someone who listens to rush everyday, a guy who could not serve and protect his country because he had a boil on his butt.

It was a legitmate deferment. I find it interesting you would mention Rush's draft status, since I've never heard you once complain about Bill Clinton's. That's another topic though.

I would much rather talk about how the Democrat Senators who attacked Rush are full of shit, since he's, as we speak, raising millions for sons/daughters of KIA'd marines and they're silent after he asked for a matching donation from them. Who really supports our soldiers? I wonder what our soldiers would say? Actually, I don't, because I already know.

**busyLivin** · 10-19-2007, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by NordicNacho

Coming from someone who listens to rush everyday, a guy who could not serve and protect his country because he had a boil on his butt.

My dad couldn't serve in Vietnam because of a football injury to his knee, and he had full intentions of serving. You really can't judge someone's intentions.

**KelJu** · 10-19-2007, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Witmaster

It's the #1 tactic in the "Partisan Play-book". Discredit the source no matter what the cost. Even if truth is at stake, it's far more important we slander the speaker rather than listen to what's being said.

Yeah you got that right. The team colors are more important than truth. I'm a conservitive so I believe everything rush says, or I'm a liberial and I don't believe anything Rush says.

I listened to Rush, Bill Oreilly, Sean Hannity, Neil Bortz, and Laura Ingram for over 3 years. I didn't agree with over half of what any of them said, but I still listened. As much as I can't stand them, I could list at least 10 things that I did like about all of those people except for Rush. He is a lier, and has been caught spreading misinformation over and over. There are no redeemable traits about the guy.

Now how many of the right wingers around here can say you listened to Al Franken, Penn Jillette, or Jay Severin to hear a different side of the argument. How many of the hardcore righties can even say you are willing to listen to NPR everyday? NPR is as about as unbiased as it gets.

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