Thread: man..

Am i missing something?

Youre HIGH, and worried because you dont want to get DRUNK?

Dude, what the fuck is the difference?

It's his 21st and he's your best mate, go and drink with him.

call it cheat day. one day isn't going to hurt you. relax and concentrate on how great you are the other 364 days of the year. in that perspective 1 day of eating lard and quaaludes all day won't put a dent in you.

Seeing as you rarely drink, one night is not going to make a significant difference. Just don't get drunk to avoid a hangover. I've trained after drinking alot and it is not that bad. It didn't affect strength, I just felt a bit shitty. You should go have a few drinks now and learn that it is not going to matter than to go super strict all the time and then have a breakdown. Have fun!

I hate lifting the day after getting paro, nowhere near as much strength or endurance. I do usually drink a heap and don't get much sleep though.

Not going to harm yu one bit, but if you let your friend down just this once thats unacceptable....

I'm not going to even read that babble shit.

I've gone to the gym all high and drunk......and I have lifted and went out drining and smoking lots of times....Das your Bro,GO have his back on his special day.

**Disclaimer** Alcohol is a drug and can be an addictive one at that. I am not condoning that everyone should drink and this is for entertainment purposes only.

My thoughts on Alcohol:

Drink in moderation. Unless competing don't feel it necessary to restrict yourself from the occassion simple pleasure in life called alcohol. Yes, alcohol will hinder your results but if you are smart about it you will recover quickly from a night on the town or with your buddies. Watch what you eat before you go drink. Stick with a simple meal of protein and veggies and skip the carbs til the next day when you are going to need them.

If you are really concerned about the carbs in beer then stick with a distilled liquor and diet soda's. Red wine is going to be your best alternative because at least it has some healthy attributes. Just remember modertation is key

1. Alcohol is empty calories.
2. Alcohol dehydrates you
3. Alcohol slows down your metabolism
4. Alcohol inhibits protein synthesis
5. Alcohol blocks the absorption of nutrients to the muscles
6. Alcohol lowers testosterone
7. Alcohol increases estrogen
8. Alcohol consumption is catabolic

Alcohol Consumption, and its Effects on Performance
By Dawn Weatherwax, ATC, RD/LD, CSCS

Nutrition and hydration are two of the keys to optimal performance. Alcohol is a poor nutrient source for a pre-game meal or for hydration. Alcohol is known to slow down one's ability to react to an opponent or object 72 hours following alcohol intake (2). Precision, equilibrium, hand-eye coordination, judgment, ability to process information, focus, stamina, strength, power, and speed are all negatively effected for many hours after blood alcohol levels return to 0.0% (1).

Proper hydration before, during, and after practice/event along with all-day hydration is critical to preventing injuries, creating an optimal environment for building muscle, losing body fat, maximizing energy levels, transporting and absorbing nutrients, and ridding the body of toxins and by–products (2). If an athlete is thirsty, they may have already lost 1– 2% of body weight through dehydration (4). Performance can be decreased up to 10–20% at this level. Alcohol can cause the body to lose 3% more body fluid in a 4-hour period, leading to dehydration even quicker (5).

In the field of performance, recovery from exercise is dependant on replacing the carbohydrates used up during activity (glycogen synthesis). Consuming at least 30–60g of carbohydrates with 6–10g of protein has been proven to help replace needed carbohydrates and aid in recovery (9). The faster the body recovers, the easier it is to perform at the same optimal levels on a day-to-day basis. Drinking alcohol after exercise for glycogen recovery is unclear, but alcohol may displace carbohydrate intake from optimal recovery—in laymen terms, alcohol calories MAY replace the carbohydrate calories usually eaten after exercise leading to improper recovery (3).

Athletes train long hours to perform well. Injuries are repercussions an athlete could incur during practice or competition. Alcohol can cause increased swelling after a game if an injury is sustained because alcohol causes the blood vessels to dilate. Alcohol can also mask pain. For those who are familiar with injuries, the more swelling in an injured area, the longer it could take to recover and get back to optimal playing form. In addition, if the athlete is already taking anti-inflammatory medications or pain relievers, drinking alcohol can increase the risks of stomach irritation and internal bleeding.

Having a certain body fat to muscle mass ratio is related to athletic performance. Research has shown that increased muscle mass increases strength, power, and agility (6,7). However alcohol (ethanol) is one of the worst nutrients you can consume to improve body fat to muscle mass ratio. The carbohydrates found in alcoholic beverages are not converted into glucose and are used to make fatty acids that are stored as fat mainly in the liver. Alcohol has also been shown to increase fat composition. The body prefers to use alcohol as a fuel source when consumed. If you eat high-fat foods when you consume alcohol the fat from these foods are stored as fat. Alcohol also stimulates the appetite and encourages extra intake of calories the body does not need (8).

Conclusion
Alcohol and performance do not mix. Alcohol inhibits every aspect of athletic performance. The best choice an athlete can do is avoid alcohol altogether; however, just saying "no" is not a viable option when the majority of athletes want to say "yes". Table 1 lists some suggestions to minimize the effects of alcohol on performance.
Table 1.Suggestions to minimize effects of alcohol on performance
1. Avoid excessive drinking.
2. Agree to a limit before drinking.
3. Avoid drinking games.
4. Don't drink alcohol on an empty stomach.
5. Choose low alcoholic beverages.
6. For every serving of alcohol, drink 8-12oz of water, juice, or non-alcoholic beverage.
7. Continue to drink non-alcoholic beverages well after consuming alcohol. ~ 24-72oz of water if hydrated between each drink.
8. Avoid social drinking at least 72 hours before a practice/event.
9. After practice/event re-hydrate properly before consuming any alcohol. For every one pound lost consume 20-24oz of fluids with 300-400mg sodium (i.e. V8 Juice & water, 2oz pretzels with water, Gatorade).
10. Before drinking any alcohol after a workout/event, consume at least 6-10g protein and 30-60g of carbohydrates (Yogurt & fruit, bagel with 2 T natural peanut butter) within the first 30 minutes followed by a well balanced meal in the next 1 ½ hours.
11. Avoid drinking alcohol at least 24-36 hours after experiencing extreme soreness/aches/pains, noticeable bruising or injury.
12. Do not drink alcohol while taking anti-inflammatory drugs. This includes Tylenol and ibuprofen.
13. Keep bi-monthly records of body fat to muscle mass ratios
14. As part of the sports physical ask questions about alcohol abuse. Athletic Trainers, Strength Trainers, Coaches, Physicians and Athletic Administrators can all address this issue. (Please do not exclude high school athletes).

References
1. American College of Sports Medicine. (2000). Alcohol and athletic performance (Current Comment). Indianapolis, IN.

2. Burke L. (1995). The Complete Guide to Food for Sports Performance (2nd Ed.). Sydney: Allen and Unwin.

3. Burke LM, Collier GR, Broad EM, Davis PG, Martin DT, Sanigorski AJ, Hargreaves M. (2003). Effect of alcohol intake on muscle glycogen storage after prolonged exercise. Journal of Applied Physiology 95:983–990.

4. Greenleaf JE. (1992). Problem: thirst, drinking behavior and involuntary dehydration. Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise, 24:645–656

5. Shirreffs SM. (1997). Restoration of fluid balance after exercise-induced dehydration: Effects of alcohol consumption. Journal of Applied Physiology 83(4): 1152–1158.

6. Spaniol FJ. (1997). Predicting throwing velocity in college baseball players (Abstract). Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research, 11(4): 286.

7. Spaniol FJ. (2002). Physiological predictors of bat speed and throwing velocity in adolescent baseball players (Abstract). Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research, 16(4): 1–18.

8. Tremblay A, St-Pierre S. (1996). The hyperphagic effect of a high-fat diet and alcohol intake persists after control for energy density. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 63:479–82.

Originally Posted by Gazhole

Am i missing something?

Youre HIGH, and worried because you dont want to get DRUNK?

Dude, what the fuck is the difference?

Huge difference. Weed doesn't hurt progress, alcohol does.

Originally Posted by KelJu

Huge difference. Weed doesn't hurt progress, alcohol does.

Damage to the lungs and cardiovascular system doesn't hurt progress?

thanks guys (well most of you)
yeah i smoke pot some times, i know its not good buts its nowhere near as bad as a lot of shit out there. alcohol to me is far worse.

but yeah thanks guys, i would have felt shitty if i didnt go there and party with him. i had fun. he was having a good time and thats all that mattered anyways, that he had a good bday. just chilled, i drank 6 mikes he drank 6 and we watched weeds, played some pool and video games and then he wanted to pass out. i actually drove home, no problems. now im going to get some rest myself.

Originally Posted by Delusional

thanks guys (well most of you)
yeah i smoke pot some times, i know its not good buts its nowhere near as bad as a lot of shit out there. alcohol to me is far worse.

but yeah thanks guys, i would have felt shitty if i didnt go there and party with him. i had fun. he was having a good time and thats all that mattered anyways, that he had a good bday. just chilled, i drank 6 mikes he drank 6 and we watched weeds, played some pool and video games and then he wanted to pass out. i actually drove home, no problems. now im going to get some rest myself.

Mike's Hard Lemonade? I thought you said you were going to DRINK.

Originally Posted by vortrit

Mike's Hard Lemonade? I thought you said you were going to DRINK.

ahahaha, cmon now. whats wrong with mikes? besides that it tastes far better than regular beer mikes is 5% alcohol and after i drink 6 of them im feeling pretty good.

He's a faaaaag!

Originally Posted by PreMier

**Disclaimer** Alcohol is a drug and can be an addictive one at that. I am not condoning that everyone should drink and this is for entertainment purposes only.

My thoughts on Alcohol:

Drink in moderation. Unless competing don't feel it necessary to restrict yourself from the occassion simple pleasure in life called alcohol. Yes, alcohol will hinder your results but if you are smart about it you will recover quickly from a night on the town or with your buddies. Watch what you eat before you go drink. Stick with a simple meal of protein and veggies and skip the carbs til the next day when you are going to need them.

If you are really concerned about the carbs in beer then stick with a distilled liquor and diet soda's. Red wine is going to be your best alternative because at least it has some healthy attributes. Just remember modertation is key

1. Alcohol is empty calories.
2. Alcohol dehydrates you
3. Alcohol slows down your metabolism
4. Alcohol inhibits protein synthesis
5. Alcohol blocks the absorption of nutrients to the muscles
6. Alcohol lowers testosterone
7. Alcohol increases estrogen
8. Alcohol consumption is catabolic

this and the report below it are the reasons i dont like drinking and dont do it often.

Weed/ tobacco has just as many concerns

Study: 1 marijuana joint obstructs air flow as much as up to 5 cigarettes North County Times - North San Diego and Southwest Riverside County News - NCTimes.com - Californian.com

man i cant believe pot could possibly be worse than cigarettes. thats crazy to me. ive been smoking pot since i was about 15. i also smoked cigarettes for almost 4 years. its been a year since ive had a cigarette, and i noticed a big difference in my health and everything just like 2 weeks after not having a cigarette and i only kept feeling better. i never really hear or read anything about so and so dying from marijuana, either. people can do all their studies and research and whatnot on marijuana, thats cool, its a pretty interesting drug. but as for me, im just goin to smoke it.

I am justing point out to you. I enjoy drinking every so often. I know the risks that go with that. I am just saying don't be blind to the risks of smoking weed. Many Weed lobbyists seem to paint mj as some magical drug, there are some serious repercussions, just like any narcotic.

I had about two cases of Mike's leftover from a party I threw. I gave them to a guy at work. I hate that stuff.

That said, the Mike's has about a hundred calories per bottle, so 600 calories in a night of drinking isn't that bad. Some of the beers I drink have several hundred calories each. One of my favorites (Dogfish Head 90 Minute IPA) has 300 calories in a bottle. So damn GOOD though!

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

I am justing point out to you. I enjoy drinking every so often. I know the risks that go with that. I am just saying don't be blind to the risks of smoking weed. Many Weed lobbyists seem to paint mj as some magical drug, there are some serious repercussions, just like any narcotic.

yeah they both arent good for you. alcohol is more like (to me) something you would have to kinda abuse you know. if you arent an alcoholic you shouldnt be at risk...

Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

I had about two cases of Mike's leftover from a party I threw. I gave them to a guy at work. I hate that stuff.

Was your buddy a fag?

Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

I had about two cases of Mike's leftover from a party I threw. I gave them to a guy at work. I hate that stuff.

That said, the Mike's has about a hundred calories per bottle, so 600 calories in a night of drinking isn't that bad. Some of the beers I drink have several hundred calories each. One of my favorites (Dogfish Head 90 Minute IPA) has 300 calories in a bottle. So damn GOOD though!

yea thats true. but i had just worked out like 7 hours ago and felt like it wasnt the best time to be drinking, lol. oh well.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Was your buddy a fag?

if you really want to find a fag THAT bad, go to a gay bar man. geesh

No I am just trying to prove a point

Homo's or chicks drink Mikes

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Was your buddy a fag?

He's married with four kids but you never know.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

No I am just trying to prove a point

Homo's or chicks drink Mikes

lol, why? kind of dumb to seriously think that. i know plenty of people who drink flavored alcohol, women and men. i like to sit back relax, and enjoy some beers. i think drinking is pretty stupid for the most part, and almost anyone is an idiot after theyve had the right amount in them. i never get stupid drunk, i dont like to. and regular beer tastes like complete shit to me. some ive tried have been decent and i could probably stand it, but why? ill shoot down 6 mikes that taste like berry and contain 5% alcohol