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Students Strap On Empty Holsters to Protest Gun Restrictions on Campus
Why do you need a gun in school?
College students across the country have been strapping empty holsters around their waists this week to protest laws that prohibit concealed weapons on campus, citing concerns over campus shootings.
"People who would otherwise be able to defend themselves are left defenseless when on campus," said Ethan Bratt, a graduate student wearing an empty holster this week on the campus of Seattle Pacific University.
Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, a group of college students, parents and citizens who organized after the deadly shootings at Virginia Tech University in April, launched the protest.
A national debate over gun laws on campus began in the wake of those shootings, in which a deranged student killed 32 people in a classroom building before committing suicide. It was the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.
Campuses are prime targets for people intent on harming others because laws prohibit concealed weapons there, Bratt said.
But others believe college is no place for firearms.
"You don't like the fact that you can't have a gun on your college campus? Drop out of school," said Peter Hamm, a spokesman for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.
When someone pulls out a gun and starts firing in a crowded environment, it's more likely that additional victims will be harmed, Hamm said.
"Let's be grateful that those holsters are empty," he said.
• Click here to visit the Students for Concealed Carry on Campus Web site.
• Click here to visit the Brady Center's Web site.
A group of 12 students chose to wear empty holsters to class this week at the University of Idaho as part of the nationwide protest.
Aled Baker, a junior, said he loses his constitutional right to protect himself and others when he steps on campus.
"It's null and void when you go on campus," the mechanical engineering student said.
Baker, a sportsman and hunter, has a license to carry a concealed handgun and hopes the protest will get people talking about the issue.
Many universities, like George Washington University, prohibit carrying concealed handguns on campuses.
"We do not allow weapons on campus for the safety and security of our student body and faculty," said Tracy Schario, spokeswoman for George Washington University in Washington, D.C.
Justin Turner, a senior in criminology and history at Florida State University, also wants the ability to carry a concealed handgun on campus.
"I'm hoping that people actually realize that this is something that college students are serious about moving forward and realize that it's not about taking the law into your own hands; it's about taking personal responsibility for yourself," said Turner, chairman of the Florida State chapter of Students for the Second Amendment.
Congress is considering legislation that would tighten background checks and give states funding to submit information to a national database that would prevent guns from being sold to dangerous buyers. House lawmakers passed the legislation, but it remains in the Senate.
"It fixes the problem that the states are not submitting the necessary records of people who have been found by a court to be dangerously mentally ill," Hamm said.
Family members and survivors of the Virginia Tech shootings recently visited members of Congress to urge lawmakers to pass the legislation they believe could help prevent future tragedies.
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Would you carry a gun to school if it was legal?
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holy hell lets hope that never becomes an option for danny. Originally Posted by min0 lee
on a side not i think its funny the brady organization is getting involved yet again. didnt they realise that they are on the wrong side of this when the brady bill turned out to be useless and wasnt renewed?
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It wasn't? Originally Posted by bio-chem
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yup Originally Posted by min0 lee
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In your mouth? Originally Posted by danny81
So many cries of inequality stem from one of group
of people doing little or nothing and then bitching
about another group that actually does something
to improve their lives.
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nope. its 10 years is up and past and congress did not renew it. i guess it was realised that magazine capacity really has little effect on if someone is going to kill someone with a handgun or not Originally Posted by min0 lee
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Why? Originally Posted by danny81
I wish my lawn was emo so it would cut itself
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so if someone fucks wit me. BKLAMMM
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Ladies and gentleman of the jury here I have a perfect example of why I am not Pro-gun. Originally Posted by danny81
You may step down Danny..
I rest my case.
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He can't legally at this age own one anyway. By the time he can, he will have done something to not be able to get one. Originally Posted by min0 lee
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But is it legal to hide one in your mouth? You know, just in case someone wants to mess with you at a Giants game. Originally Posted by dg806
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lol is all I can muster Originally Posted by danny81
what gun goes "BKLAMMM"?This is my journal. Click it and such
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some of the stupidest criminals reside right here in the US. ive always been very proud of that Originally Posted by dg806
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hahahah this thread is amazing in everyway Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait
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The ones you hide in your mouth of course! Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait
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I See.....
Danny81, for the record....how hard is it for you to obtain a gun.
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Except he is 100% serious about most of what he says Originally Posted by Fetusaurus Rex
hahahah this thread is amazing in everyway
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It doesnt take a genius to see what would happen if they allowed guns on a campus:
Bully gets gun.
Bully threatens kid.
Kid gets gun.
Kid shoots bully.
Bully's friend shoots kid.
Kid's friend shoots bully's friend.
Teacher tries to stop it.
Teacher gets shot by stray bullet.
Etc etc.
It may not escalate THAT quickely, but you get my point.
Bullies dont just exist in the grade school arena, they are everywhere. Hell, where i used to work there were bullies older than my parents.
People may not have a record of violent crime, but they can still be angry confrontational people who are smart or feared enough not to get caught. They arent on record? Sure - sell them a gun! Yeah, let them take it onto campus - theyre harmless!
Oh, you have a kid dead because he stood up for himself.
What of the people who cant afford guns? Surely that would place THEM at a disadvantage? Maybe we should have a guns grant for students so they can ALL buy guns no matter what?
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Keep your logic and rational thinking out of a Danny's threads please, mkey, thanks. Originally Posted by dg806
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the problem here is the fuckups will always have guns.. when they inact laws like this one it keeps RESPONSIBLE people from carrying.
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I am very pro gun and I would say yes BUT, unfortunately there are a lot of sissy ass neurotic future soccer moms out there who would piss their pants everyday in class because Joey was packing a saturday night special right next to her.
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the only thing that was stupid was the words that proceded these in your post. everything in that scenerio was totally false. statistics of gun ownership/gun carry just plain dont support anything you said there. good law abiding citizens (of which, concealed carry holders are overwhelmingly) dont just go and shoot people like that. they understand the dangers of firearms and respect them. thats the gun carry myth out there. that if normal citizens are allowed to carry guns that we are going to increase gun related fatalities, and that concealed weapons holders who do it legally are just nut jobs waiting to shoot someone at the drop of a hat. the problem with that line of thought is it is just not true. Originally Posted by Gazhole
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True, most of what i said was an incredibly extreme situation. I wont even try and argue that point Originally Posted by bio-chem
. But theres no smoke without fire.
I just think the most logical idea is "If nobody had a gun, then nobody would get shot."
Any other situation has too many 'if's and 'but's and conditions attached, and with something as lethal as a firearm one of those 'if's could mean somebody getting killed.
Personally i dont like that chance. Sure, law abiding folk will be responsible with their guns, like they are with everything else, but it doesnt take much to think what if somebody NOT so responsible got a hold of their gun? Or a gun of their own?http://www.getlifting.info
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so how is the crime rate in the UK now that you guys are gun free? Originally Posted by Gazhole
True, most of what i said was an incredibly extreme situation. I wont even try and argue that point. But theres no smoke without fire.
I just think the most logical idea is "If nobody had a gun, then nobody would get shot."
Any other situation has too many 'if's and 'but's and conditions attached, and with something as lethal as a firearm one of those 'if's could mean somebody getting killed.
Personally i dont like that chance. Sure, law abiding folk will be responsible with their guns, like they are with everything else, but it doesnt take much to think what if somebody NOT so responsible got a hold of their gun? Or a gun of their own?
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That's cute, while I stroll the halls of the University with my empty holster, they don't even suspect that I have the real thing strapped to my ankle...
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thats what i like to see. someone taking action Originally Posted by maniclion
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LMAO, takes the fun out doesn't it? Originally Posted by KelJu
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Originally Posted by PreMier
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Ergo, only outlaws will carry guns on campus. Brilliant!
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