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    Unhappy Please, bring back our boys.

    Enough already.

    My Way News - 2007 Is Deadliest Year for US in Iraq

    2007 Is Deadliest Year for US in Iraq.


    Nov 6, 9:50 AM (ET)

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    BAGHDAD (AP) - The U.S. military on Tuesday announced the deaths of five more soldiers, making 2007 the deadliest year for U.S. troops despite a recent downturn, according to an Associated Press count.

    At least 852 American military personnel have died in Iraq so far this year - the highest annual toll since the war began in March 2003, according to AP figures.

    The grim milestone passed despite a sharp drop in U.S. and Iraqi deaths here in recent months, after a 30,000-strong U.S. force buildup. There were 39 deaths in October, compared to 65 in September and 84 in August.

    Five U.S. soldiers were killed Monday in two separate roadside bomb attacks, said Rear Adm. Gregory Smith, director of the Multi-National Force-Iraq's communications division.

    "We lost five soldiers yesterday in two unfortunate incidents, both involving IEDs," Smith told reporters in Baghdad's heavily-guarded Green Zone. Later, the military said four of the soldiers died after an explosion near their vehicle in Kirkuk province, and one was killed in Anbar.

    With nearly two months left in the year, the U.S. toll has already surpassed that of 2004, when 850 troops died - mostly in larger, more conventional battles like the campaign to cleanse Fallujah of Sunni militants in November, and U.S. clashes with Shiite militiamen in the sect's holy city of Najaf in August.

    But the American military in Iraq reached its highest troop levels in Iraq this year - 165,000. Moreover, the military's decision to send soldiers out of large bases and into Iraqi communities means more troops have seen more "contact with enemy forces" than ever before, said Maj. Winfield Danielson, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad.

    "It's due to the troop surge, which allowed us to go into areas that were previously safe havens for insurgents," Danielson told the AP on Sunday. "Having more soldiers, and having them out in the communities, certainly contributes to our casualties."

    Meanwhile, the U.S. said it planned to release nine Iranian prisoners in the coming days, including two captured when U.S. troops stormed an Iranian government office in Irbil last January. The office was shut after the raid, but it reopened as an Iranian consulate on Tuesday, Iraqi and Iranian officials said.
    A military spokesman said Iran appears to have kept its promise to stop the flow into Iraq of bomb-making materials and other weaponry that Washington says has inflamed insurgent violence and caused many American troop casualties.

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates said last week that Iran had made such assurances to the Iraqi government.

    "It's our best judgment that these particular EFPs ... in recent large cache finds do not appear to have arrived here in Iraq after those pledges were made," Rear Adm. Gregory Smith, director of the Multi-National Force-Iraq's communications division, told reporters Tuesday.

    Kurdish rebels released another Iranian soldier captured two months ago in northern Iraq. AP Television News showed the soldier being handed over to representatives of the International Committee of the Red Cross in the Qandeel mountains near the town of Ilan Shahir.

    Among the weapons Washington has accused Iran of supplying to Iraqi insurgents are EFPs, or explosively formed projectiles. They fire a slug of molten metal capable of penetrating even the most heavily armored military vehicles, and thus are more deadly than other roadside bombs.

    The No. 2 U.S. commander in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Ray Odierno, said last week that there had been a sharp decline in the number of EFPs found in Iraq in the last three months. At the time, he and Gates both said it was too early to tell whether the trend would hold, and whether it could be attributed to action by Iranian authorities. Iran publicly denies that it has sent weapons to Shiite militias in Iraq.

    Also Tuesday, the U.S. military said Iraqi troops had discovered 22 bodies in a mass grave northwest of Baghdad over the weekend. The bodies were found during a joint operation Saturday. It was the second mass grave found in the area in less than a month.

    After the discovery, U.S. and Iraqi forces launched an operation Sunday, including ground raids and air assaults targeting al-Qaida in the area, the U.S. statement said.

    About 30 suspects were detained, it said. Two car bomb facilities and a number of weapons caches also were found, it added.

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    Bring back our boys?

    BS!!

    When the U.S. invaded Iraq and overthrew Hussein, and did De-Baathification, the U.S. knew is would be in Iraq for years.

    This is no surprise.


    The casaulties in Iraq is NOTHING.

    More Iraqis have been killed.


    crew them.
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    I have nephews and nieces in the service.

    I'm sure the relatives in your country are serving the military....and not by choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoothy View Post
    Bring back our boys?

    BS!!

    When the U.S. invaded Iraq and overthrew Hussein, and did De-Baathification, the U.S. knew is would be in Iraq for years.

    This is no surprise.


    The casaulties in Iraq is NOTHING.

    More Iraqis have been killed.


    Screw them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoothy View Post
    Of course not.

    But there won't be a draft.

    1 out of 535 Congressman have a son/daughter in Iraq.

    I support the insurgents. I support road-side bombs. I support snipers.

    The Americans in Iraq are fascists.

    uneducated, poorly read, no knowledge of Iraqi history,

    they deserve what they get.
    And here's where the bitch known as Big Smoothy (aka Mr_Snafu) backpedaled.

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoothy View Post
    I don't want anyone to get hurt. No one. Yes, I made that statement and I won't back off of it, even though it was made in the heat of debate.
    Then he backpedaled on that backpedal, because he realized that he's safe and snug at home, and doesn't have to worry about getting his ass beat in.

    And here's where he goes nuts.

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    If you support the troops, you support Shiite Islam and Iran. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoothy View Post
    The casaulties in Iraq is NOTHING.

    More Iraqis have been killed.
    Ohh, since more Iraqis have died, and that makes American casualties nothing. That makes perfect sense!!

    Why didn't I think of that before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoothy View Post
    Bring back our boys?

    BS!!

    When the U.S. invaded Iraq and overthrew Hussein, and did De-Baathification, the U.S. knew is would be in Iraq for years.

    This is no surprise.


    The casaulties in Iraq is NOTHING.

    More Iraqis have been killed.


    crew them.
    Though you are somewhat right, by comparison the US casualties to Iraq casualties are minimal,

    we still cannot discount the fact that the overall loss of human life is saddening.

    Your attitude towards our troops is very concerning.

    Consider moving to another country, perhaps, where you don't feel so guilty for your country doing things you don't support

    I don't really think anybody wants you here anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait View Post
    Though you are somewhat right, by comparison the US casualties to Iraq casualties are minimal,

    we still cannot discount the fact that the overall loss of human life is saddening.

    Your attitude towards our troops is very concerning.

    Consider moving to another country, perhaps, where you don't feel so guilty for your country doing things you don't support

    I don't really think anybody wants you here anyway.
    seriously

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoneCrusher View Post
    seriously
    wow, look who's back . hope everything is ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
    wow, look who's back . hope everything is ok.
    yes ... thanks for asking

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoneCrusher View Post
    yes ... thanks for asking
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    That's true, he wanted to avenge your killing.

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    the bring back our boys thread is kinda appropriate. now, where is Bakerboy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    That's true, he wanted to avenge your killing.
    And now he's gone missing ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    I'm sure the relatives in your country are serving the military....and not by choice.
    I thought I would have heard about a draft.

    Btw, I love how ever discussion about cutting and running from Iraq is completely devoid of discussion of the consequences when the Iraqi government fails and becomes a terrorist state again.

    Every life is important, and 852 deaths is nothing to discount, but to put it in perspective about 45,000 civilians die every year in car crashes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
    I was brought back from the Persian Gulf and I miss the hazard pay and awe inspiring sunsets, though the 80 degree swimming pools, sea snakes, weird smells and chanting call for prayers I don't miss....







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    Quote Originally Posted by clemson357 View Post
    Btw, I love how ever discussion about cutting and running from Iraq is completely devoid of discussion of the consequences when the Iraqi government fails and becomes a terrorist state again.
    Do you think we can change this country just like that?
    This country has been around a mighty long time and for us to go over there and expect it to change is unrealistic.

    You can't change a way of life by force, you'll just make them stronger and more resentful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clemson357 View Post
    Every life is important, and 852 deaths is nothing to discount, but to put it in perspective about 45,000 civilians die every year in car crashes.
    That is an excellent point! Why are we arguing about his little war when we should be trying to have cars banned! Wait, not just cars, all form of motorized transportation! Can't be too careful!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by clemson357 View Post
    Every life is important, and 852 deaths is nothing to discount, but to put it in perspective about 45,000 civilians die every year in car crashes.
    Exactly! So why are we wasting so much of our resources, lives, and time on things that are minuscule when compared to the reality that we have far greater rick to our lives?

    Poor dieting will kill a way over a thouand times more Us citizens than terrorist will, yet we won't even spend a little money on healthier school lunches and educating Americanms about good health. Yet, we waste billions on a lost cause war effort.

    Oh...I know why, because healthier school lunches don't make the greedy ass politicians any richer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    Exactly! So why are we wasting so much of our resources, lives, and time on things that are minuscule when compared to the reality that we have far greater rick to our lives?

    Poor dieting will kill a way over a thouand times more Us citizens than terrorist will, yet we won't even spend a little money on healthier school lunches and educating Americanms about good health. Yet, we waste billions on a lost cause war effort.

    Oh...I know why, because healthier school lunches don't make the greedy ass politicians any richer.
    or because someone choosing to eat like shit and die of heart disease is a personal choice that effects your family members. i dont think planes flying into buildings was a personal choice of the americans in the planes or the buildings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pylon View Post
    That is an excellent point! Why are we arguing about his little war when we should be trying to have cars banned! Wait, not just cars, all form of motorized transportation! Can't be too careful!!!!
    Thats exactly what I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bio-chem View Post
    or because someone choosing to eat like shit and die of heart disease is a personal choice that effects your family members. i dont think planes flying into buildings was a personal choice of the americans in the planes or the buildings.
    Yeah biochem, a K-6th grade age child is completely responsible about their poor diet. Fuck the kids, they should know better!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    Yeah biochem, a K-6th grade age child is completely responsible about their poor diet. Fuck the kids, they should know better!
    know a lot of kids dieing from heart disease do you? i feel pretty clear that my comment about heart disease shows i was talking about adults who choose to eat poorly.

    but if you want we can also talk about the children who died in 9-11 who didnt have the choice to live to 9-12

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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    Exactly! So why are we wasting so much of our resources, lives, and time on things that are minuscule when compared to the reality that we have far greater rick to our lives?

    Poor dieting will kill a way over a thouand times more Us citizens than terrorist will, yet we won't even spend a little money on healthier school lunches and educating Americanms about good health. Yet, we waste billions on a lost cause war effort.

    Oh...I know why, because healthier school lunches don't make the greedy ass politicians any richer.
    dude, the government does not care about our health, if they did tobacco would be illegal, the government is motivated by money, period... everything they do has money behind it, including this war, it's about protecting "our" oil in the middle east.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince View Post
    dude, the government does not care about our health, if they did tobacco would be illegal, the government is motivated by money, period... everything they do has money behind it, including this war, it's about protecting "our" oil in the middle east.
    Well I know that. I was just trying to rationalize with our fellow republicans on the board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bio-chem View Post
    know a lot of kids dieing from heart disease do you? i feel pretty clear that my comment about heart disease shows i was talking about adults who choose to eat poorly.

    but if you want we can also talk about the children who died in 9-11 who didnt have the choice to live to 9-12
    Yeah but it was in reply to a comment made about educating children. You are trying to change the subject. I was talking about children, maybe the part about school lunches wasn't clear enough. And, the post I am replying too now is another attempt at changing the subject.

    I'm not playing this game, so I'll kindly exit the thread. Here is my going away present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    Yeah but it was in reply to a comment made about educating children. You are trying to change the subject. I was talking about children, maybe the part about school lunches wasn't clear enough. And, the post I am replying too now is another attempt at changing the subject.

    I'm not playing this game, so I'll kindly exit the thread. Here is my going away present.

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    it was about school lunches and educating americans. i responded on the educating americans part. now ill talk about the school lunches. im not changing the subject, thats just not how it is. i disagree with your assesment of school lunches. my mother works as a lunchlady and im feel pretty confident the most well rounded meal of the day the kids are offered is the one provided at schools.

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