Thread: Guns

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

Hi all, i have to write a 8-10 page paper for my criminology class about any topic of my choice and i decided to talk about guns. Specifically, i want to write about the pros and cons about gun use in America and i remember we've had quite a few good discussions about it in the past so i am asking you guys as a favor to help me search for those threads because i cannot find them!

Also, if any of you have links to some good internet websites that talks about guns .. please post them. I need as much information as i can get to write a strong paper.

Thanks

Why would you use forum post threads for research?

A good website that covers both sides of the is Open Secrets. You can find them here:

Gun Control vs. Gun Rights: The Issue

Good luck.

I gotta agree with FR. Don't you need to reference your paper? You can't use a forum thread as a source, unless your teacher doesn't care. My professors would fail me if i referenced forum discussions in my papers.

I'm sure if you google gun control you'll get lots of reputable sources of info for your paper. just stay away from Wikipedia, the professors i've run across don't accept it as a reputable reference.

There's a great reference to a reference (!) on lewrockwell, I'll try and find it for you...


B.

There ya go:

Guns Reduce Accidents and Other Fascinating Facts and Figures To Amaze Your Friends by Greg Perry



B.

I should have been more clear. I wanted to read the threads when everyone had discussed the issues (for and against) so i could see everyone's input and make my own opinions and conclusions to help me write my paper.

The research i will be using as references are from credible internet websites and a couple of books that i just got today.

There are several intelligent members of IM who contributed in a few threads about gun control so i wanted to read through it and find anything that may help me support my points (when i form my own opinion). It is not to be used as a reference.

But thanks for the links

Controlling guns??

Yes, Virginia, guns kill innocents

Get your opinion down first or you're just going to get links.
Thesis statement.......

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Controlling guns??

Yes, Virginia, guns kill innocents

Just what i was looking for. Thanks.

I am awesome.....nah, just kidding.
It's on the bottom where it says Similar Threads.

You should be able to obtain all of the info you'd ever need on this subject from the foremost authoritative guru on the subject...here in this thread
good revolvers

Originally Posted by maniclion

You should be able to obtain all of the info you'd ever need on this subject from the foremost authoritative guru on the subject...here in this thread
good revolvers

I already knew before I hit it.

Will you post your paper before you turn it in?

If you would like to read it, i can send it to you privately

Here is a file I found that has a lot of good sources. Also, look at GunCite: gun control and Second Amendment issues

Do you guys have any links to articles that provide information about why people are against guns? The majority of information from the links you provided only talk about those in favor of owning a gun. I need enough information from both sides of the controversy to support my arguments as well as provide a counter-argument.
Thanks.

Your school library probably has free acces to SAGE. That's where I usually get all my journal sources for my CJ papers. They have a million different journals and I'm sure there are tons and tons of articles on gun control. What format does your paper have to be in? Is it just a reaction paper or is it supposed to be research?

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

Do you guys have any links to articles that provide information about why people are against guns? The majority of information from the links you provided only talk about those in favor of owning a gun. I need enough information from both sides of the controversy to support my arguments as well as provide a counter-argument.
Thanks.

Sure:

www.peoplehatewhattheydontunderstand.com

www.irrationalfear.com

www.ihatefreedomandliberty.com

Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

and

www.imaliberalthathateswhiteconservates.com

Originally Posted by clemson357

Sure:

www.peoplehatewhattheydontunderstand.com

www.irrationalfear.com

www.ihatefreedomandliberty.com

Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

and

www.imaliberalthathateswhiteconservates.com

haha, funny

In all seriousness, I have never heard anything even remotely convincing in support of gun control. Basically the idea is that without guns, people are less likely to kill each other. You also hear a lot about "need," as in "no body needs a semi-automatic." Thats about as in-depth as it gets.

LITTLE GUN HISTORY
I Thought you might appreciate this . . .
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
------------------------------
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
---- -------------------------
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381?? personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: List of 7 items: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and , yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

Hi all, i have to write a 8-10 page paper for my criminology class about any topic of my choice and i decided to talk about guns. Specifically, i want to write about the pros and cons about gun use in America and i remember we've had quite a few good discussions about it in the past so i am asking you guys as a favor to help me search for those threads because i cannot find them!

Also, if any of you have links to some good internet websites that talks about guns .. please post them. I need as much information as i can get to write a strong paper.

Thanks

A great reference page with all the info you need to write a strong paper:

GunCite: gun control and Second Amendment issues

I hereby cite the incident in 1881 when in Tombstone, AZ a law did decree that all lethal weapons were illegal to be carried within city limits...yet when a group of outlaws decided to not follow such rule all hell broke loose....thus proving that prohibition of firearms works about as well as prohibition of alcohol....

Originally Posted by maniclion

I hereby cite the incident in 1881 when in Tombstone, AZ a law did decree that all lethal weapons were illegal to be carried within city limits...yet when a group of outlaws decided to not follow such rule all hell broke loose....thus proving that prohibition of firearms works about as well as prohibition of alcohol....

Originally Posted by Burner02

LITTLE GUN HISTORY
I Thought you might appreciate this . . .
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
------------------------------
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
---- -------------------------
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
------------------------------
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381?? personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: List of 7 items: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and , yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

Those are awesome statistics and I'd like to cite them in the future. But in order to do so with credibility I'll need to also be able to cite the source. Could you help me out on your source? Thanks.

Sorry, mi amigo- got it in the mail from an ex-AF SP friend of mine.

Originally Posted by Burner02

LITTLE GUN HISTORY
I Thought you might appreciate this . . .
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Those fuckers had it coming!!!!!

Bow to Comrade Stalin!!!

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

Hi all, i have to write a 8-10 page paper for my criminology class about any topic of my choice and i decided to talk about guns. Specifically, i want to write about the pros and cons about gun use in America and i remember we've had quite a few good discussions about it in the past so i am asking you guys as a favor to help me search for those threads because i cannot find them!

Also, if any of you have links to some good internet websites that talks about guns .. please post them. I need as much information as i can get to write a strong paper.

Thanks

Update, this just in you may want to mention in paper, and proves yet again....


Michigan sees fewer gun deaths with more permits

January 6, 2008

By DAWSON BELL

FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

Six years after new rules made it much easier to get a license to carry concealed weapons, the number of Michiganders legally packing heat has increased more than six-fold.

But dire predictions about increased violence and bloodshed have largely gone unfulfilled, according to law enforcement officials and, to the extent they can be measured, crime statistics.

The incidence of violent crime in Michigan in the six years since the law went into effect has been, on average, below the rate of the previous six years. The overall incidence of death from firearms, including suicide and accidents, also has declined.

More than 155,000 Michiganders -- about one in every 65 -- are now authorized to carry loaded guns as they go about their everyday affairs, according to Michigan State Police records.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...801060602/1008

Thanks Will