Thread: anyone here train like this?

hahah this looks really funny to me

that shit is fake.

There was a video where a guy who claim to fight people using his "chi". Guy's would go flying when he swung his arms around 5 feet away. He challenged anyone to fight him betting thousands of dollars if they could beat him. An MMA fighter accepted and kicked in in the face. He was done.

Lol, the guy hits him in the in the knee and his arms go flailing up and his head jerks around. This is a way for old fat guys to feel powerful. I notice all the kinds of styles that are similar to this are mastered by old fat people.

Originally Posted by Fetusaurus Rex

hahah this looks really funny to me

I love his armless duck run.

what a bunch of ass shit

how effective is this stuff for real though? looks like its some action movie type of shit, but would it work in MMA?

Much of this is based around the same techniques of ju jitsu (I'm a brown belt but haven't practised in 10 years). Such techniques ARE extremely effective but not all of them shown in the 1st vid.

(I haven't seen the 2nd yet)

Yes there was some guy who claimed 'chi', which in truth translated to "Have such a following the students are mentally primed to fall down if he even hints it". He ended up believing his own hype and I saw some TV thing where some reporter challenged him to "chi" him and as you'd expect nothing happened. Similar to voodoo in the sense it kinnda takes belief in the magic...

However the core concepts and most of the techniques shown are real and do work. I've always said though that it is best to learn about 20 highly useful techniques and practise them until they are second nature - beyond that and you'll forget or screw it up when the time comes to use them.

The "one inch punch" shown repeatedly CAN be effective but no more so than a conventional blow, it's strength is that you can use it up close or without your opponent knowing you're about to strike. The idea that the guy shown could bring down the chap who'd just stood up to a flurry of conventional punches to the solar plexus for example, is bollox, whereas the knife defences were very real.

It's ironic really, the reason I eventually gave up, besides always been asked to look after the newbies, was that my 'sensie's' wife took over for the exercising and she was some kind of fitness instructor or something. A 2 hour session became 20 mins of warming up, 40 mins of exercise and 20 mins warming down, so one hour gone already, plus coaching newbies, plus staying behind to put the matts away and sweep etc. Got to the stage I thought he should be paying me... Then he moved to a place 20 miles away and I just couldn't be asked after that.

I enjoyed it for the first 3 years but not the pay to jump around on command thing. Yet here I am working out without any "useful training" beyond the workout?

Funny ol' world...


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Russian systema is some cool stuff, supposedly very good against multiple attackers (armed or unarmed)

Looks like a bunch of over reacting to emphasize certain techniques...just like when I was in Aikido and your partner would help follow through motions to prevent injury.....

From what I've heard they (Russians) get great strength results with kettles.

it's pretty cool how fast you can take someone down without them even having a chance to stop you.

Just to clear up any misconceptions about Systema...
There is no chi, ki, or anything mystical involved in Ryabko Systema which is what the first vid is...I have no idea what the second vid is but it has nothing to do with the first. Systema is a totally different martial art from anything I have ever seen. It teaches no techniques. The student learns to stay relaxed and breathe and develop proper movement. The techniques are up to the student to develop for their own unique body type by working on slow moving drills with another student. The student first learns to avoid attacks through proper movement. Later on the student develops his own "techniques" through learning about his unique body mechanics in the free flowing drills that are practiced. Systema is more about learning how the body works and moves throuroughly so that instead of memorized techniques one uses spontaneous techniques that are created to deal with one specific attack at one specific time. It is kind of like driving a car, no one tells you to turn the steering wheel three inches to turn the car 38 degrees or 4 inches to turn the car 45 degrees. You simply know through practice the "feel" of the car and when a dog jumps out in the road you react instictively not according to a formula. Of course this a very brief and rough explanation of Systema but maybe it will clear things up some.
As for the punches..Systema teaches to punch VERY differently than other martial arts. Again there is no mystical forces or stuff like that only basic physics applied to make the punch much more effecient. I would try to explain that but that is a really long subject.
Hope this helps

2 points - the 1" punch exists in various martial arts, and a dog running into the road is a classical example - of how people tend to crash and lose control through over-reacting.

Even though they've been driving every day for years.

Hard to understand why something that relies on 'practise and figure it out yourself' would be called the "system"?


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yes I know that that punch exists in other martial arts....I was not saying that is does not. The method of Systema punching as a whole is very different.

ok maybe the dog is a bad example...but my point is when you steer a car you are doing it almost as a reflex..you are constantly making minor changes in your velocity and direction while listening to the radio and thinking about doing the laundry. You aren't saying, "Oh I need to adjust the car left, now right, now a little left, etc etc etc.

There is a system to you figuring it out through a multitude of drills and exercises..

Again my description of systema was very brief and concise, There is much more to it than that but there are all the dvd's, seminars, and classes if you wish to study it further at russianmartialart.com

Well it's one of the few arts I didn't look at closely while deciding on ju jitsu (back in virtually pre-internet days) as it wasn't available within sensible driving distance. I picked ju jistsu in the end not because it was close to home, though it was, but because it relied on technique rather than speed or power.

If you practise a technique enough you develop 'muscle memory', where you can do the moves without any conscious thought. Secondly I liked the fact it requires very little warming up, flexibility or 'magic ninja' type stuff. I also liked the look of Akido (sp?) but found ju jitsu a more full-body art better suited to the reality of street fights - most of which consist of either a single haymaker swing or quickly become a floor grapple with clothes-pulling and your opponent trying to get on top.

Learning how to disable someone who's on top of you is an extremely handy knowledge base.

I'm certainly not dissing the Russian stuff, some of the moves in the vid have the same slick simple and easy style I love about ju jitsu and from what I've heard it's good. The "look how I can down this guy while matey punching him had no effect" thing though was pure showboating.

As weight-lifters we know about muscle groups and angles of power. From that angle, even with a chest like a gorilla, he had no real power - the short punches work by delivering a lot of body weight and muscle torque into a very short movement, only lacking the momentum of a swing but 90% as powerful. What makes them effective is the surprise element and the ability to strike during a grapple or when crowded, not because they deliver magical power greater than a boxer's straight bomb.

You also of course get point-blank range accuracy at the solar plexus, or wherever you're aiming. It's true a relatively light blow at that nerve centre will wind better than a heavier blow aimed at the abs. So good yes, magical as shown, no.

I mentioned the Russian training with kettles earlier, I'm sure 90% of people here understood that but for those who thought perhaps I was being sarcastic a kettle is basically like a cannon-ball with a handle on it. Its inherent instability forces you to get good at control so for sheer strength training, rather than cosmetic bodybuilding, it's a superior technique. So I've heard, I've never tried them myself.

Generally I'd advise anyone with an interest to take up a martial art, preferably a grappling technique. You'll get fit, develop good defence and self confidence and if a decent school you'll also learn self-control. I've only used ju jitsu a very few times and always in defence, never aggression.

I can't condone the idea of learning from DVDs though.


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Ninjitsu is a bit similar, but the videos look fake as fuck.

Originally Posted by fufu

. I notice all the kinds of styles that are similar to this are mastered by old fat people.

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My point was to just sort of define what Systema is, I'm not trying to persuade anyone to take it up. Obviously it would be much better to attend a school than try to learn by DVD. I was saying that there are a lot of DVD's that would give more of an explanation than what I typed here. Everyone is entitled to their own opinon. I really enjoy it and I've been through several martial arts, including Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Systema has a lot of unique things to offer that I couldn't find in other arts.

Thanks,

You might like this vid better...it is Systema also
YouTube - systema - using movement in grappling

HAHAHA Alot of it was bs. What i could make out of some of it was very similar to akido with pressure point shots being hit.

I have boxed and fought mma both as an amature and a professional and let me just say i have been hit in alot of those "spots" and no thats not going to help. In a high impact sport where your getting hit and being hit your body gets used to getting hit. Most guys now a days who step into a ring have some amount of physical adaption to getting hit.

If you want to be effective in self defense or in the ring the best form of fighting, IMO, is muai thia. Learn a little bit of grappling to get the basics down and concentrate on real muai thia and you will defend yourself effectively.

I drilled RyuKyu Kenpo (Dillman) for two years or so...

And I think the nerve strikes (pressure points) work, but you have to be a total practiced, experienced, badass, to make them effective at all.

And most of the pressure point stuff we practiced was just a "gravy" topping used in conjuction with leverage and other principles taught in Aikido and JJS...

JJS?

The form of ju jitsu I did was called jikishin ju jitsu, is that what you're referring to?


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