Thread: Can of worms; what causes school shootings?

A shitty system surrounding them.

Whether it be there parents or the school.

I don't really understand what you mean. That's too general, could you be a little bit more specific? The way I see it is happy people don't wake up one day and decide to shoot up the school and then off themselves. So these poor sons-of-bitches must be miserable.

Too many guns in the USA.

Lets see too many parents have kids that shouldn't so these kids aren't receiving the discipline nor attention they need. Both Parents work so the kid is left at day care, and when the parents come home they have other concerns so they throw there kid in front of the TV. Kids develop no social structure or ability to communicate effectively with others.

The school systems are in shambles now a days with insufficient funding and teacher experience. Kids that need the attention don't get it, or get bullied. And it continues on.

With that said you will find no rhyme or reason as to why these shootings occur. Each reason is different, we aren't static creatures with every emotion or feeling being the same for each.

a society that places more value on the almighty dollar than the strength and well being of the American family

Originally Posted by Little Wing

a society that places more value on the almighty dollar than the strength and well being of the American family

Thank you ... you did a better job of getting my point across.

What does the value of a dollar to people have to do with a guy shooting his classmates?

i know it's an unpopular stance but i think the American family has gone to hell in a handbasket and step one was women having better things to do that raise their own children and be homemakers. kids end up being raised by their peers. they grow up developing a value system based on what they are exposed to most, a mob of kids their own age.

I think they are referring to parents concentrating hard on their work and self-interests, and not giving their children the care they need. So in effect, the dollar means more to them than their kids...

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Originally Posted by iMan323

What does the value of a dollar to people have to do with a guy shooting his classmates?

Well one example that i could come up with off the top of my head is if a family is poor and the kid can't show up to school with the newest pair of 2 billion dollar Jordan's, he's made a pariah. And don't tell me its not true, because i'm not too far removed from the pop culture of teens/tweens.

Value is placed on the clothes/bling you wear, the car you drive and the iPhone you have. The most popular kids in school are usually the shitbags and bullies who couldn't tell you the first thing about European history or basic math.

The highest paid people in our country are sports players and young sluts with huge tits and mediocre singing voices. Our teachers, professors, cops, firemen etc are middle of the pack at best.

Hell even doctors are mostly dorks until they become doctors and make half a million dollars a year. Then they go to get their S63 AMG waxed by the high school jock with a beer gut. That is if they have the mental toughness to make it past adolescence as a pimply faced outcast. If not they freak out and kill people.

Originally Posted by Nick+

Too many guns in the USA.

we already know your stance on gun control. lets keep this thread about fucked up people. you dont even live here

Originally Posted by squanto

I think they are referring to parents concentrating hard on their work and self-interests, and not giving their children the care they need. So in effect, the dollar means more to them than their kids...

are you some sort of school shooting expert? i dont think so. you have no idea what there parnets treated them like so sont speak like you do. I think they were all closeted homosexuals.

Well, not how their parents treated them. But many of them must have been completely oblivious to their child's situation. This most recent one was a college student, so his parents cant really be held as responsible.

But if you don't know that your kids are building a stockpile of guns and pipe bombs, you are not paying enough attention to them.

And just to clarify, I don't think the parents are 100% responsible. Some kids are just going to be fucked up, and the parents can't do anything about it. But they are often the first in line to intervene in their child's erratic behavior, and in most cases the shooter starts acting very strange before the shooting. Many of them plan to commit suicide, and suicidal people often act funny before committing the act, like giving away precious things, telling their family they love them and being all mopey, etc.

Top reasons in no particular order

1) Gun-free zone. The gunman will choose a school because all people are unarmed and there is a large population in one area. Why do you think most shooters start out in a section on campus that holds the most students? Easier for them to kill.

2) Fame. I am pretty sure most of them want to go down in history as being remembered for shooting up a school. If you haven't noticed, whenever they talk about school shootings, the gunman is talked about more than the victims.

3) Mentally ill. If you want an example of a mentally disturbed individual, read the reports on Seung-Hui Cho and his essays that he wrote for his fiction writing class.

4) Hatred. Several shooters held a grudge against a certain individual or group of people (ex: principal or a bully) and after killing them, will eventually open fire on everybody else.

5) Living with / Experience violence. You could blame partly on their parents or the way they were brought up being exposed to criminality.

One thing is the way we treat each other, kids see/hear adults putting down others they see as inferior and they mimic this in school and the kids get pushed too far. Another problem is the proliferation of violence over sex in movies and on tv. Seeing graphic sex is considered way worse than seeing graphic violence. Also like the documentary"This Movie is not Yet Rated" suggests movies that don't have graphic violence with blood spurting everywhere are probably worse than movies that do show it because kids see some get shot and they just drop dead, no cries of pain, no blood no agony and the heroes usually do it without a shred of remorse. These kids see themselves as heroes liberating the masses of losers who get kicked down by society on a daily basis... Thats the common theme amongst them is that they felt like they had been wrong by society and they needed to get revenge.....

Originally Posted by iMan323

Let's see if we can put our heads together and come up with as many as possible common denominators in the recent school shootings. What did all of the shooters have in common?

Ask Clemson.

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

Top reasons in no particular order

1) Gun-free zone. The gunman will choose a school because all people are unarmed and there is a large population in one area. Why do you think most shooters start out in a section on campus that holds the most students? Easier for them to kill.

That's absurd, then there must be no police around with guns?
These maniacs already have a death wish, I don't think that would make a difference at all.

Originally Posted by Little Wing

i know it's an unpopular stance but i think the American family has gone to hell in a handbasket and step one was women having better things to do that raise their own children and be homemakers. kids end up being raised by their peers. they grow up developing a value system based on what they are exposed to most, a mob of kids their own age.

No, no, I actually agree with you. On point 1 at least.

Originally Posted by Little Wing

a society that places more value on the almighty dollar than the strength and well being of the American family

We guard our money with armed men and our children with words. Funding for mental health is all but gone (we just throw drugs at them now), funding for after school programs gone, funding for the things and programs we know actually reduce crime are essentially non existent, and you are left with more people falling through societies cracks, etc, you end with the current situation in a country that has the freedoms and liberties we do.

Originally Posted by Nick+

Too many guns in the USA.

I believe the OP was trying to not have this be a gun debate, but we can if you wish. I recommend you worry about your own problems in France, and let us worry about our problems in the US. Thanx,

School shootings happen when kids emotional needs are neglected. End of story. They are neglected by everyone, parents, teachers, friends, peers, and society as a whole. Everyone shoulders some of the blame, but most of it rest on the parents. Hell...I would say in most situations, 90% of it rest on the parents. The parents of the shooters should be executed.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

That's absurd, then there must be no police around with guns?

You can't really be that clueless can you? And what have the armed police done in one single shooting so far other then to show up and put bodies into bags?

Originally Posted by min0 lee

These maniacs already have a death wish, I don't think that would make a difference at all.

Ah, so having no means of self protection is the way to go then? Brilliant. Now, here is how it plays out in places that don't pay that "gun Free Zone" BS. When two Palestinian gunmen wearing Israeli Defense Force uniforms invaded a high school in Israel, an armed high school counselor shot them both dead right there. There were only minor injuries to two high school counselors. Here is a link to the story.

The Israeli high school evidently was not a Gun Free Zone, as high schools are in the United States of America. An Israeli army official praised the counselors' action. In the United States of America they almost certainly would have been arrested for violating a Gun Free Zone and fired from their jobs.

Counselors' heroism foils terror attack in Gush Etzion seminary high school

By Israel Insider staff
January 25, 2008

In Gush Etzion, southeast of Jerusalem, two Palestinian gunmen wearing IDF uniforms burst into the Makor Haim yeshiva high school. Wielding guns and knives, they lightly injured two Israeli counselors before being shot dead.

The terrorists infiltrated Makor Haim, a kibbutz, sneaking into the main building of its high school seminary, run by world-renowned Talmudist, Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz. The terrorists entered a library room where seven of the boarding school's counselors were meeting. Dressed as security guards, and armed with a knife and what appeared to be a gun -- it later turned out to be a toy -- ordered the seven to line up on one side of the room. A counselor, realizing they were terrorists, drew his personal firearm and opened fire. Another grabbed the fake gun from the other terrorist, wrestled him to the floor, while the first counselor shot him. The terrorists managed to stab two of the counselors before falling dead.

At the same time, the Beit Medrash (study hall) -- adjacent to the library -- was packed with students taking part in the weekly Thursday night "mishmar" all-night Torah study session, Israel National News reported.

An army official praised the quick response of the students and their counselors. "This could have ended much worse," a source in the Central Command said.

israelinsider: security: Counselors' heroism foils terror attack in Gush Etzion seminary high school

Originally Posted by LiLPrincezZ

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Originally Posted by KelJu

School shootings happen when kids emotional needs are neglected. End of story. They are neglected by everyone, parents, teachers, friends, peers, and society as a whole. Everyone shoulders some of the blame, but most of it rest on the parents. Hell...I would say in most situations, 90% of it rest on the parents. The parents of the shooters should be executed.

Ok, well, this bring us to another point. The latest shooter was 27 years of age. He is not a kid, he is a grown ass man. I think it's safe to leave his parents out of the picture.

That crazy Korean was 23 years of age. Not exactly a child now, is he? I think it's safe to leave his parents out of the picture too. Am I making sense?

Originally Posted by iMan323

He is not a kid, he is a grown ass man. I think it's safe to leave his parents out of the picture.

That crazy Korean was 23 years of age. Not exactly a child now, is he? I think it's safe to leave his parents out of the picture too. Am I making sense?

You make sense, but IMO you are wrong.

I guaran-fucking-tee these people had minimal social skills, and a skewed if disturbing view of society as a whole. This leaves their parents who are given the ultimate responsibility of making their children functioning members of society. or at least making sure someone else makes them.

these guys skate through life only participating in the academic aspects of school, most likely using the internet as their only source of social medium, where they can X any conversation they dont want to continue. ultimately they break, having had no real, meaningful human interaction, and proceed to X out the people they are sick of. emotionally they are no stronger than children. physically they have the strength to hold the pistol, and pull the trigger. age doesnt make you a grown ass man, it just makes your shell old.

just because they can walk like a duck and quack like a duck doesnt mean they recognize the other ducks as equal to themselves, or even vice-versa.

am I making sense?

Not really.

If you're completely clueless to the fact that your son is insane after 23 or 27 years of caring for this person, you deserve to be executed, as Kelju indicated.

As a parent, your one and only priority should be the safety/well-being of your child. No?