Thread: Determine your body fitness

I prefer tahini. The dog loves Greenies. I do think the dog would love peanut butter. The last time I had it was when we had mice under the back porch. They like it. Then I thought why not use a live trap. My dog loves live mice!!! Giving the dog live mice was so fantastic to me it's like when you open that 2 pound can of Crisco.

Ok well I tried greenies with my dog for some reason he just doesnt like the 5 pounds of crisco your chef? (if you have one or even know how to cook) puts on them so he pukes them up on your bed. But somehow that seems a little gross dude. I dont use crisco, you must like that PAM spray that comes in a can....

Yes I LOVE Olive Oil Pam. It's a great product!! I recommend it as a matter of fact. Getting way off subject here, BTW.

Ohh yeah btw BMI sucks

.. for sure. Trust a mirror more.

Once again. Not talking about niche populations (IE bodybuilders/athletes who have tremendous amounts of LBM) here, but samples that are more indicative of the average human being. As well, no one is saying, except maybe the OP who is an idiot, that BMI is the be all end of all of health and fitness testing. It is useless in a vacuum, but when used as part of a battery of tests it can give insight into a person's overall health. It is not a coincidence that someone who is obese (average person, using BMI as a measure), will also display other risk factors for many cardiovascular, cardiopulmonary and metabolic disorders.

Prevalence of the metabolic syndrome in secondary school adolescents in Beijing, China.

Xu YQ, Ji CY.
Institute of Child and Adolescent Health, Peking University, Beijing, China.
Aim: To estimate the prevalence and distribution of the metabolic syndrome and to determine the risk factors associated with the metabolic syndrome in secondary school adolescents. Methods: In 2006, we conducted a school-based survey in Beijing, China. Questionnaire data, anthropometric, blood pressure, and biochemical measurements were available for 2020 adolescents aged 14-16 years. The metabolic syndrome was assessed using the National Cholesterol Education Program's (NCEP) Adult Treatment Panel (ATP) criteria modified for age. Results: The overall prevalence of the metabolic syndrome among adolescents was 3.3%. In Beijing, 4.2% of boys and 2.5% of girls were affected (p < 0.05). The syndrome was present in 28.1% of obese adolescents compared with 6.0% of overweight and 0.2% of normal status (p < 0.001). Abdominal obesity and elevated blood pressure were the most common components of the metabolic syndrome in boys, and elevated triglyceride (TG) and abdominal obesity were the most common in girls. The prevalence of the metabolic syndrome was influenced by body mass index (BMI) status, father's educational degree and pubertal development. Conclusion: The metabolic syndrome and its components are frequent in overweight and obese adolescents in Beijing. Early identification and treatment of these risk factors may help target intervention to improve future cardiovascular health.
PMID: 18298784 [PubMed - in process]



Just a quick example that took 10 minutes on pubmed which can show how BMI may be one tool, among many, in determining risks and correlations among diseases and body mass. Take 100 people in the general population with a body mass index of 30 or more and they will look like fat slobs, not rippling mountains of muscle.

I challenge any fitness or health professional on this forum to conduct an informal research study. Using the general population, calculate the BMI of the various clients/patients that you may cross and give them a subjective description of body composition (say from athletic to fat slob). More times than not if the BMI says overweight or obese the subjective description won't be too far off. I'd offer to do such things but am working in a psych unit this semester with only 1 patient a week. I don't even get to check their charts, all i get is a quick report and then i work on my therapeutic communication.

It told me to buy a back-up alarm..

Prevalence of parameter indicators of obesity and its relationship with metabolic syndrome in urban Moroccan women.

Ayachi Mohammed E, Mohamed M, Denis L, Rekia B.
Chouaib Doukkali University, Training and Research Unit on Food Sciences, Laboratory of Physiology Applied to Nutrition, El Jadida, Morocco.
This study aimed to examine the relationship between metabolic syndrome (MS) and different types of obesity in urban Moroccan women. On 213 women aged 25-55 years, Triglycerides (TG), total cholesterol, high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL-c), lower-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-c), and fasting blood glucose levels were assessed. Body mass index (BMI), waist to hip ratio (WHR), Waist circumference (WC), and blood pressure (BP) were also measured. Globally 36.6% of women were overweight (25 </= BMI < 30 m(2)), 23.9% obese (BMI > 30 m(2)), 19.7% had WHR > 0.85 and 28.8% had WC >/= 88 cm. Indicators of obesity increased with age and the prevalence of co-morbid factors increased with obesity. The women with android obesity (WHR > 0.85) and central obesity (WC >/= 88 cm) had greater risk compared to those with overweight and general obesity. The prevalence of MS was 17.8% and increased (31.49%) with high BMI and high WHR (50%). MS and its co-morbidity factors are prevalent among Moroccan women aged 35years and over. The exaggerated influence of obesity in this prevalence suggests that the prevention of obesity could prevent MS and its complications. Am. J. Hum. Biol., 2008. (c) 2008 Wiley-Liss, Inc.



But because 10 bodybuilders used BMI in a vacuum, with no other relevant data, the whole concept is crap

Another resource. The internet really is amazing.

Illustrated BMI Categories - a photoset on Flickr

Before people start jumping in and picking out the couple of people who obviously aren't obese, in general, a higher BMI typically corresponds to a fat fuck and not a rippling mountain of muscle and a low BMI generally corresponds to a twig.

Also don't forget that no self respecting researcher, health/fitness employee will use BMI as the sole indicator of health/fitness.

I think what most of us are saying is why use it in any case? As an average Joe wouldn't you want the best information possible? Are our health professionals becoming this fucking lazy that they can't perform standard BF% tests? I just don't get it.

Sure if you take the majority as a whole it might be representative of the "truth", but why would I want some dumbed down version of the truth vs the real deal?

Because the average joe isn't bodybuilding. The
average joe is not even lifting weights, and is so de-trained that walking a couple of miles per day is exercise for them.

The research has shown that high BMI's along with other physiologic/metabolic/genetic risk factors may predispose certain people to cardiovascular pathologies.

Doctors are not personal trainers and do not watch you workout and tweak your diet and training program. They give you tips and referrals and tell you that your overall fitness is lacking and according to global statistics and your medical history if you don't lose 5-10 pounds and get your BMI under XX, there is a much greater chance that you will have a (insert acute cardiovascular pathology here) in the next YY years.

Its not a perfect system, but like i said you guys are a niche population. Not everyone is as worried about their health as you guys are. People just want to swallow a pill and be better. I say this because i see it everyday. We are getting way off topic here and delving into very deep issues, but as far as usefulness of BMI goes i will conclude by saying that it is a tool with limitations just like anything else having to do with the human body. We are just too complicated to have a one size fits all assessment tool. Hell the more i learn about the human body, the more i realize that i really don't know shit and that we as a society have really yet to scratch the surface of many topics.

Originally Posted by getlean09

No but my dog Loves peanut Butter and Im SURE you have some!!!!!

I bet you're happy your dog's a peanut butter lover...

I hear what you're saying and I'm not speaking from the niche perspective. If I were an average Joe I would rather my doctor take my actual BF% and tell me "hey look, you really need to lose x pounds" vs get under this 1 size fits all number.

Beating a dead horse...must go ingest unhealthy quantities of beer...

I'm bored as hell right now and honestly don't know why i'm going on with this...oh wait, i don't really want to start my productive work lol.

Source: Contemporary Nutrition 6th Edition
Authors: Gordon M. Wardlaw PH.D., R.D. Department of Nutrition, Ohio State University
Anne M. Smith PH.D., R.D., L.D. Department of Nutrition, Ohio State University
Pages 340-341

"Numerous methods are used to establish what body weight should be, typically called healthy weight. Several tables exist, generally based on weight-for-height. These tables arise from studies of large population groups. When applied to a population, they provide good estimates of weight associated with health and longevity. However, they do not necessarily indicate the healthiest body weight for each individual.

Ideally, family history of weight-related disease and current health conditions should be considered when establishing a healthy weight for an individual, in addition to weight-for-height. Evidence of the following weight-related conditions is important:

Hypertension
Elevated LDL-Cholesterol
Family history of obesity, cardiovascular disease, or certain forms of cancer (e.g., uterus, colon)
Pattern of fat distribution in the body
Elevated blood glucose"

It goes on to say:

"The concept of body mass index is convenient to use because the values apply to both men and women (i.e., gender neutral). However, any weight-for-height standard is actually a crude measure. Keep in mind, also, that a BMI of 25-29.9 is a marker of overweight (compared to a standard population) and not necessarily a marker of overfat. Many men have a BMI greater thatn 25 because of extra muscle tissue. Also, very short adults (under 5 feet tall) may have high BMIs that may not reflect overweight or fatness. For this reason, BMI should be used only as a screening test for overweight or obesity.

Still, overfat and overweight conditions generally appear together. The focus is on BMI in clinical settings mainly because this is easier to measure than total body fat."

For the record, i'm around 5'8''-5'9'' and 225-230lbs. My BMI is around 32-34...Obese but even laymen will not say i'm obese. Given my medical history, and other factors (i am borderline hypertensive and carry most of my fat around my belly) if i stay like this i'm statistically more likely to get diabetes or some form of CVD in later life.

No guarantees either way, but these measures are useful when you are worried about many patients and not just looking out for yourself.

I just ingested 4 beers and can't read or comprehend a damn thing you just typed. Matter of fact I can barely formulate a functional something or other.

Must finish six pack...only have 2 minutes left to beat record.

A beer a minute? I've only been able to do that with a beer bong. I think my record is 3 'tall boys' of Budweiser in like a minute or two. Dunno how many ounces that is but i was wobbling a while afterwards lol. I'm a lightweight when it comes to beer for some reason. Now vodka is a different story, i swear us russians must have an immunity to it or something.

Me likey the clear stuff too.

Must remind self to not mix right now or danger lurks.

Go for danger much more fun.

Originally Posted by Yanick

A beer a minute? I've only been able to do that with a beer bong. I think my record is 3 'tall boys' of Budweiser in like a minute or two. Dunno how many ounces that is but i was wobbling a while afterwards lol. I'm a lightweight when it comes to beer for some reason. Now vodka is a different story, i swear us russians must have an immunity to it or something.

(1.5 x 100)/12 = 12.5 beers in 1 hour and 40 minutes.

Originally Posted by Hoglander

I prefer tahini. The dog loves Greenies. I do think the dog would love peanut butter. The last time I had it was when we had mice under the back porch. They like it. Then I thought why not use a live trap. My dog loves live mice!!! Giving the dog live mice was so fantastic to me it's like when you open that 2 pound can of Crisco.

I don't give my dogs Greenies, not because I think there is anything wrong with them but because one of my 5 dogs will swallow pieces whole which can cause digestive problems. Instead I give them carrots, broccoli, frozen apple pieces, and melon but mostly carrots and broccoli. They get rawhide chews or those peanut butter pigs ears too which my Belgian Malinois can shred like paper, I have yet to find anything for her to chew that lasts for more than a few hours....

Originally Posted by Yanick

BMI is not a crock of shit for the general population. As well to really be obese, you don't just calculate your BMI but need to be assessed by a qualified physician. I've been obese according to BMI calculators since i was 16 years old, that doesn't mean i can go on disability. One look at someone and even a layman will tell obese from fit.

Anyone that is in the medical field or fitness field will also tell you that BMI is only one of many tools used to assess a person's physical fitness and overall level of health.

Its analogous to saying hammers are crap tools because they can't be used to build cars.

something that is pre 1900's is crap buddy...sorry to bust the news....bmi is pre 1900=crap

Originally Posted by largepkg

I hear what you're saying and I'm not speaking from the niche perspective. If I were an average Joe I would rather my doctor take my actual BF% and tell me "hey look, you really need to lose x pounds" vs get under this 1 size fits all number.

Beating a dead horse...must go ingest unhealthy quantities of beer...

lmao

Originally Posted by Yanick

A beer a minute? I've only been able to do that with a beer bong. I think my record is 3 'tall boys' of Budweiser in like a minute or two. Dunno how many ounces that is but i was wobbling a while afterwards lol. I'm a lightweight when it comes to beer for some reason. Now vodka is a different story, i swear us russians must have an immunity to it or something.

Join the military...well make a heavyweight out of ya...alcohol is plentiful on every basee....unless your overseas...they do treat us well in that area.

Originally Posted by KelJu

(1.5 x 100)/12 = 12.5 beers in 1 hour and 40 minutes.

Que?

Originally Posted by clayu86

something that is pre 1900's is crap buddy...sorry to bust the news....bmi is pre 1900=crap

Great argument. I'm convinced.

Originally Posted by clayu86

Join the military...well make a heavyweight out of ya...alcohol is plentiful on every basee....unless your overseas...they do treat us well in that area.

so the military will make it so i can drink alot without getting to messed up?

Originally Posted by clayu86

Join the military...well make a heavyweight out of ya...alcohol is plentiful on every basee....unless your overseas...they do treat us well in that area.

agreed