Revisiting Obama's "church"

**brogers** · 03-08-2008, 11:03 AM

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IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- Revisiting Obama's Church

Obama says he's tired of answering questions about his religion. At a rally in rural Ohio, he was asked again about rumors that he's a Muslim, which have only obscured from public view his real faith, which is no less troubling.
"Here are the simple facts," he half-pleaded with the crowd. "I am a Christian. I am a devout Christian. I have been a member of the same church for 20 years. I pray to Jesus every night. I try to go to church as much as I can."

While impressive, it's where he goes to church that should give American voters pause.

Obama embraced more than Christ when he answered the altar call two decades ago at the Trinity United Church of Christ in Southside Chicago. The 8,000-member church describes itself as "unashamedly black" and holds classes in "African-centered Bible study."

He also pledged to honor something called the "Black Value System," a cultlike code of nonbiblical ethics written by blacks for blacks. It preaches a radically exclusive theology that contradicts the tenets of Christianity.
Since we first drew attention to the Afrocentric system more than a year ago ("Obama's Real Faith," Jan. 22, 2007), the church has removed it from the "About Us" page of its Web site, replacing the entire section with a glowing video testimonial from a white official with its parent United Church of Christ.

But according to the original Web page, Trinity puts the "black community" first.

Black members are encouraged to pursue education and skills exclusively to advance their community, and allocate their money exclusively to support "black institutions" and black leaders who "embrace the Black Value System."

In short, it preaches from the gospel of blackness and black power. There's little room for white Christians at Obama's church. It attacks the pursuit of "middleclassness" (code for whiteness), arguing that middleclassness is a conspiracy by white leaders to keep talented African-Americans "captives."
Trinity warns them not to be seduced by it, even though millions of blacks have benefited from homeownership and crime-free suburban living.
Obama, meanwhile, has been getting in touch with his African roots. He recently visited relatives in Kenya for the first time, and dropped the nickname Barry for the more African-sounding Barack.

"I believe in the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change," he recently asserted. He said his faith has also led him to question the idolatry of the free market. This reflects Trinity church doctrine that no African-American can really rise to the top echelons of a "racist, competitive" white society on merit.

Obama, in turn, calls the dashiki-wearing pastor of this militantly black church his "spiritual adviser" and mentor. "It was the best education I ever had," he has said of his indoctrination by Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
He sought Wright's counsel before running for president. Wright married him and baptized his daughters.

Obama borrowed the title of his memoir "Audacity of Hope" from a Wright sermon. (Trinity hawks that book and another book by Obama on its Web site, and has sponsored book-signing events for Obama at the church, which happens to be the largest recipient of the Obamas' charitable donations.)

Their close relationship is especially disturbing. By any objective measure, Wright is an America-hating race-monger. He blames practically every ill on "white America," including 9/11. Just this past November, he honored bigoted Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan with a "lifetime achievement" award presented in Wright's name.

Wright gushed in a cover profile of Farrakhan in his church's magazine that his old pal Farrakhan â€” who has bashed whites as "blue-eyed devils" and Jews as "bloodsuckers" â€” should be a model for blacks because he "truly epitomized greatness."

In the '80s, the two traveled to Libya together to pay homage to terrorist Muammar Qaddafi.

Farrakhan last month endorsed Obama. While the Democratic front-runner distanced himself from Farrakhan, albeit belatedly and under media pressure, he still has not distanced himself from Wright.
Obama says he respects his preacher and is "proud" of their friendship, as well as his church, which proclaims: "We are an African people, and remain true to our native land, the mother continent." In a 2006 interview with BeliefNet.com, Obama called Wright "one of the greatest preachers in the country."

The Trinity Web site greets visitors with an image of the African continent and the sound of congo drums. Trinitarians, it explains, have a "nonnegotiable commitment to Africa." What about America? It gets no mention.

Do such beliefs translate into a political agenda tailored to African-Americans? Would fellow Trinitarian Obama, despite his agreeably race-neutral and nonthreatening public persona, govern and petition on behalf of one group and not necessarily for the greater good of this country?

Obama recently promised a black newspaper in Michigan that Africa will be "my priority" as president. "I think that the U.S. has to see its long-term interest wrapped up in the success of Africa," he said.

Hillary Clinton calculates that Obama's childhood brushes with Islam will make Americans nervous. But it's his adult conversion to black nationalism and socialism that makes this otherwise attractive minority candidate unfortunately so unattractive.

What a uniter he is.

**SYN** · 03-08-2008, 11:14 AM

well whoop-de-fucking-doo.

**KelJu** · 03-08-2008, 11:17 AM

You posted this already about half a year ago.

**DOMS** · 03-08-2008, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by brogers

"I think that the U.S. has to see its long-term interest wrapped up in the success of Africa"

If he gets elected, we're fucked.

**PappaD** · 03-08-2008, 11:18 AM

McCain FTW and American Ideals!!!!

**tucker01** · 03-08-2008, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by DOMS

If he gets elected, we're fucked.

You are fucked with anyone of those retards.

**brogers** · 03-08-2008, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by KelJu

You posted this already about half a year ago.

Notice the word "revisiting"

This also includes more information about the pastor, his racism, hate of america, friendship with Farrakhan, and Obama's close relationship to him.

**brogers** · 03-08-2008, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by SYN

well whoop-de-fucking-doo.

I don't think I've ever seen you write anything that could be construed as an intelligent thought. This follows that pattern.

**DOMS** · 03-08-2008, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

You are fucked with anyone of those retards.

It's all a matter of degrees. Some will do worse than others.

**SYN** · 03-08-2008, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by brogers

I don't think I've ever seen you write anything that could be construed as an intelligent thought. This follows that pattern.

Oh wow, I'm so deeply stung by your statement. Excuse me while I find a big enough band aid for my heart.

If anyone who reads your first post and seriously thinks "oh no black mans out to get us" or that him running for president is just some evil plot to ruin our country then they're fucking morons.

Originally Posted by maniclion

I've stopped caring people in this country are so easily scared by words that they vote with fear in their hearts and rocks in their heads. They live on a steady diet of buzzwords and empty promises through election season and then lose all interest in politics for 4 years. Then the next election comes up and they all turn into Pseudo Political Junkies living fix by fix not keeping tabs on the whole picture and thats why each week some little blurp sways the mob like a shifting school of fish and they let the politicians play them like idiots with short attention spans. This years democratic race is a disgrace and prime example.

As with most things, manic is absolutely fucking right.

And in my honest opinion, the American government has been running on a set of values and laws that's been failing for years, and I'm all for anyone who wants to give a shot at turning that the fuck around. As far as I can see Obama's the only one that really intends to at least try and do that.

**DOMS** · 03-08-2008, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by SYN

If anyone who reads your first post and seriously thinks "oh no black mans out to get us" or that him running for president is just some evil plot to ruin our country then they're fucking morons.

Wait, so let's see if I understand you correctly.

White politicians have agendas and are out to get our "freedoms", but a black politician doesn't?

A fucking brilliant bit of reasoning.

**brogers** · 03-08-2008, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

Wait, so let's see if I understand you correctly.

White politicians have agendas and are out to get our "freedoms", but a black politician doesn't?

A fucking brilliant bit of reasoning.

Obama supporters don't reason, they "feel."

**danzik17** · 03-08-2008, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

It's all a matter of degrees. Some will do worse than others.

We're fucked to the nth degree with any one of the current candidates dude.
McCain: Waste trillions on war, continue to wipe ass with Constitution

Obama: Wipe ass with Constitution to a lesser degree, spend billions on stupid pet projects.

Billary: Dumb shit didn't even read half of the bills she voted on as a senator. Worthless as a NY senator, catastrophic as a president. Not to mention the whole Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton dynasty that I am against.

**DOMS** · 03-08-2008, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by danzik17

We're fucked to the nth degree with any one of the current candidates dude.
McCain: Waste trillions on war, continue to wipe ass with Constitution

Obama: Wipe ass with Constitution to a lesser degree, spend billions on stupid pet projects.

Billary: Dumb shit didn't even read half of the bills she voted on as a senator. Worthless as a NY senator, catastrophic as a president. Not to mention the whole Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton dynasty that I am against.

The issue that matters most to me is immigration. Of all the candidates, McCain has strongest anti-immigration stance. Hitlery and Obama are both equally weak.

Not to mention what sort of Affirmative Action-type shit that Obama may pass.

**danzik17** · 03-08-2008, 12:47 PM

Well to be honest the more I think about it, the more I can't support any single candidate. I think come election time I am going to "throw my vote away" and write in Ron Paul.

At least that way I stick to my principles since I don't agree with any of the "major" candidates.

**clemson357** · 03-08-2008, 03:17 PM

Ron Paul for President.

**danzik17** · 03-08-2008, 04:00 PM

Holy shit.
Obama wows Casper; Clinton next - The Denver Post

Granted I still don't like many of his policies, but that just shot him way above the other two candidates in my eyes. There are only two other questions I would have for him - does that include signing statements, and are you just saying what we want to hear.

**maniclion** · 03-08-2008, 04:20 PM

And McCain isn't mentally stable due to his years at the Hanoi Hilton remember our Revered Saint G.W. Bush told us that in the last election....

so what are we gonna do people, we're really fucked no matter which way we go because all of our candidates are pure evil but we're stuck with them......

**Prince** · 03-08-2008, 08:48 PM

wasn't this country founded on freedom of religion, isn't that the reason the pilgrims came here?

so who fives a fuck what religion he is or practices, I know I don't.

**SYN** · 03-08-2008, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Prince

wasn't this country founded on freedom of religion, isn't that the reason the pilgrims came here?

so who fives a fuck what religion he is or practices, I know I don't.

my point exactly.

**SYN** · 03-08-2008, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

Wait, so let's see if I understand you correctly.

White politicians have agendas and are out to get our "freedoms", but a black politician doesn't?

A fucking brilliant bit of reasoning.

I'm not making any judgments based on his race, and I think it's a factor that's getting played up way more than it should be.

When people abuse their freedoms they need to have them taken away. And it's about fucking time it's happened. I'm not saying "guns are bad and nobody should have one" but when so many people use their right to bear arms and then turn around and abuse that right, I'd say it's time for everybody to learn a little lesson.

**danzik17** · 03-08-2008, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by SYN

I'm not making any judgments based on his race, and I think it's a factor that's getting played up way more than it should be.

When people abuse their freedoms they need to have them taken away. And it's about fucking time it's happened. I'm not saying "guns are bad and nobody should have one" but when so many people use their right to bear arms and then turn around and abuse that right, I'd say it's time for everybody to learn a little lesson.

The people abusing that right are the people who don't get guns legally anyway. How will banning the sale of guns to law abiding citizens help our situation at all? If anything, it will make the situation worse.

That's not even taking into consideration that the point of the second amendment is as an "ultimate" check against government abuse. An armed citizenry is not as easily subject to abusive policy.

**Prince** · 03-08-2008, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by danzik17

The people abusing that right are the people who don't get guns legally anyway. How will banning the sale of guns to law abiding citizens help our situation at all? If anything, it will make the situation worse.

That's not even taking into consideration that the point of the second amendment is as an "ultimate" check against government abuse. An armed citizenry is not as easily subject to abusive policy.

there is one reason why guns are still legal, it's called the NRA, and the amount of money the funnel into the government, period...the same is true with alcohol and tobacco.

**SYN** · 03-08-2008, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Prince

there is one reason why guns are still legal, it's called the NRA, and the amount of money the funnel into the government, period...the same is true with alcohol and tobacco.

+1

**DOMS** · 03-08-2008, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by SYN

I'm not making any judgments based on his race, and I think it's a factor that's getting played up way more than it should be.

No, it's just the opposite. No one in the big media would dare bring up his race and how it will affect his term (if he's elected). He hasn't been approached on this issue at all. And no one will because it would be "racist".

Originally Posted by SYN

When people abuse their freedoms they need to have them taken away.

What a truly horrific thought.

**brogers** · 03-08-2008, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Prince

wasn't this country founded on freedom of religion, isn't that the reason the pilgrims came here?

so who fives a fuck what religion he is or practices, I know I don't.

Ah, so if his "church" is preaching black separatism, and constantly telling its congregation that white people are trying to keep them enslaved, it's irrelevant, and surely wouldn't affect any decisions he might make. He's free to go to a black nationalist church all he wants, but I seriously doubt any white presidential candidate would be a candidate for long if it was discovered he went to a church which states that its members should only support white businesses, white communities, and that euro-centric thought is far superior to afro-centric thought (even though it is true).

In case you can't tell his "church" (notice the quotes) isn't much of a church at all, it appears quite a bit more political than religious, which is why it is so concerning that he attends and is proud of his membership there, and even considers the pastor his 'spiritual advisor.'

**brogers** · 03-08-2008, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by SYN

I'm not making any judgments based on his race, and I think it's a factor that's getting played up way more than it should be.

When people abuse their freedoms they need to have them taken away. And it's about fucking time it's happened. I'm not saying "guns are bad and nobody should have one" but when so many people use their right to bear arms and then turn around and abuse that right, I'd say it's time for everybody to learn a little lesson.

Problem with that thinking is that there's this little document known as "The Constitution." Now, I'm sure you've probably heard of it, but I doubt you know what it really is. See, it contains this one part called the "Bill of Rights," and it says, among other things, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." They wrote in case people like yourself (irrational, voting because someone on MTV told you so) ever become a majority.

When I read your posts, and see the mindless garbage about how 'cool' you felt to go to an Obama rally, and I think you're of voting age, it makes me wish there was an amendment I could repeal--the 19th. Go look it up, maybe you'll learn something.

**DOMS** · 03-09-2008, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by brogers

Ah, so if his "church" is preaching black separatism, and constantly telling its congregation that white people are trying to keep them enslaved, it's irrelevant, and surely wouldn't affect any decisions he might make. He's free to go to a black nationalist church all he wants, but I seriously doubt any white presidential candidate would be a candidate for long if it was discovered he went to a church which states that its members should only support white businesses, white communities, and that euro-centric thought is far superior to afro-centric thought (even though it is true).

It's only racist if you're white.

**DOMS** · 03-09-2008, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by brogers

Problem with that thinking is that there's this little document known as "The Constitution." Now, I'm sure you've probably heard of it, but I doubt you know what it really is. See, it contains this one part called the "Bill of Rights," and it says, among other things, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." They wrote in case people like yourself (irrational, voting because someone on MTV told you so) ever become a majority.

I just thought of something else that's fucking hilarious. The same liberal yutzes that talk whine about the government taking away our rights, and how you simply can't trust the government, are often the same people that want to ignore the constitution, and take away our right to fight against the government.

**SYN** · 03-09-2008, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by brogers

Problem with that thinking is that there's this little document known as "The Constitution." Now, I'm sure you've probably heard of it, but I doubt you know what it really is. See, it contains this one part called the "Bill of Rights," and it says, among other things, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." They wrote in case people like yourself (irrational, voting because someone on MTV told you so) ever become a majority.

When I read your posts, and see the mindless garbage about how 'cool' you felt to go to an Obama rally, and I think you're of voting age, it makes me wish there was an amendment I could repeal--the 19th. Go look it up, maybe you'll learn something.

Akshully I nawt watch teh mtv........

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