A question for the gun owners/advocates on this site

DOMS · 03-12-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by clemson357

Bill Clinton's 1994 semi-auto ban had nothing to do with military grade weaponry.

It also has nothing to do with proving that gun control laws stop gun-related crimes.

clemson357 · 03-12-2008, 03:31 PM

Pop Quiz:

"Assault Weapons," as defined in the 1994 semi-auto ban, were linked to what percentage of violent crime before, during, and after the ban according to the FBI?

A. 100%
B. 50%
C. 20%
D. 5%
E. Less than 1%

maniclion · 03-12-2008, 03:40 PM

Ban guns and nuts will still find ways to kill large numbers of people, hell household products can make a bomb.....a speeding car into a crowded sidewalk can drop more people faster than a machine gun......a little tampering with food or water supplies...

I am the closest to being a hippy on this board and I am all about peace and love but I am also for freedom. It is our right to own guns not only for hunting but for defense of our homes and our homeland. You never know what could happen say a natural disaster puts your town or even the whole country into a state of anarchy, we've seen it happen first hand in NOLA.....I bet any of you anti-gun folks would be happy to have an arsenal of guns when a mob of starving looters try to break into your home. Sometimes things don't happen right off, say you guys get your gun bans, then slowly our government starts taking away other rights....pretty soon we are living in a country so far from what George Washington and his homies had in mind so we want to change it and the old methods of change through voting don't work anymore the only way is by force but they have all of our weapons. What can we do but just get fucked in the ass until we can smuggle and steal enough weapons to revolt.......any of these things could happen they've happened throughout history to some of the best nations and are happening now in other parts of the world..... Don't ever think that America is immune to those things and don't ever let the government get the upper hand on the people......

clemson357 · 03-12-2008, 03:42 PM

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." - Gandhi.

lucifuge · 03-12-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by maniclion

Ban guns and nuts will still find ways to kill large numbers of people, hell household products can make a bomb.....a speeding car into a crowded sidewalk can drop more people faster than a machine gun......a little tampering with food or water supplies...

I am the closest to being a hippy on this board and I am all about peace and love but I am also for freedom. It is our right to own guns not only for hunting but for defense of our homes and our homeland. You never know what could happen say a natural disaster puts your town or even the whole country into a state of anarchy, we've seen it happen first hand in NOLA.....I bet any of you anti-gun folks would be happy to have an arsenal of guns when a mob of starving looters try to break into your home. Sometimes things don't happen right off, say you guys get your gun bans, then slowly our government starts taking away other rights....pretty soon we are living in a country so far from what George Washington and his homies had in mind so we want to change it and the old methods of change through voting don't work anymore the only way is by force but they have all of our weapons. What can we do but just get fucked in the ass until we can smuggle and steal enough weapons to revolt.......any of these things could happen they've happened throughout history to some of the best nations and are happening now in other parts of the world..... Don't ever think that America is immune to those things and don't ever let the government get the upper hand on the people......

+1

well put manic

KentDog · 03-12-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by maniclion

You never know what could happen say a natural disaster puts your town or even the whole country into a state of anarchy, we've seen it happen first hand in NOLA.....I bet any of you anti-gun folks would be happy to have an arsenal of guns when a mob of starving looters try to break into your home.

Good point.

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Originally Posted by maniclion

pretty soon we are living in a country so far from what George Washington and his homies had in mind

Of course we would still have slavery and suffrage if we went by what our forefathers had in mind.

danzik17 · 03-12-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by maniclion

Ban guns and nuts will still find ways to kill large numbers of people, hell household products can make a bomb.....a speeding car into a crowded sidewalk can drop more people faster than a machine gun......a little tampering with food or water supplies...

I am the closest to being a hippy on this board and I am all about peace and love but I am also for freedom. It is our right to own guns not only for hunting but for defense of our homes and our homeland. You never know what could happen say a natural disaster puts your town or even the whole country into a state of anarchy, we've seen it happen first hand in NOLA.....I bet any of you anti-gun folks would be happy to have an arsenal of guns when a mob of starving looters try to break into your home. Sometimes things don't happen right off, say you guys get your gun bans, then slowly our government starts taking away other rights....pretty soon we are living in a country so far from what George Washington and his homies had in mind so we want to change it and the old methods of change through voting don't work anymore the only way is by force but they have all of our weapons. What can we do but just get fucked in the ass until we can smuggle and steal enough weapons to revolt.......any of these things could happen they've happened throughout history to some of the best nations and are happening now in other parts of the world..... Don't ever think that America is immune to those things and don't ever let the government get the upper hand on the people......

+7

danzik17 · 03-12-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KentDog

Good point.

Of course we would still have slavery and suffrage if we went by what our forefathers had in mind.

But our houses would be a lot cleaner and a lot more cooking would get done

Hoglander · 03-12-2008, 09:28 PM

Get rid of cars. CARS KILL!!!!!!!

iMan323 · 03-12-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by maniclion

I am the closest to being a hippy on this board and I am all about peace and love but I am also for freedom. It is our right to own guns not only for hunting but for defense of our homes and our homeland. You never know what could happen say a natural disaster puts your town or even the whole country into a state of anarchy, we've seen it happen first hand in NOLA.....I bet any of you anti-gun folks would be happy to have an arsenal of guns when a mob of starving looters try to break into your home.

I dunno...I think a hunting weapon is perfectly sufficient for home protection. Actually, I have a first hand experience with this. When I was just a child living somewhere in the unstable Eastern Europe of the late 80's/early 90's my step father had kept a loaded 12 gauge shotgun in our apartment, because there was an ethnic movement out there to get to folks of my kind...

What amazes me about Americans is they don't seem to realize that George Washington and Company envisioned this nation a looooooooooong fawking time ago, and just about everything has changed since then. I just can't hear an intelligent person use that argument, it's silly. What was true over 200 years ago is irrelevant today. There's no Injuns roaming your lands. The fuck you need combat weapons for?

**Prince** · 03-12-2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by clemson357

I'm glad this woman is smarter than you.

I am not sure how you measure my intelligence based on one opinion that I hold.

danzik17 · 03-12-2008, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by iMan323

I dunno...I think a hunting weapon is perfectly sufficient for home protection. Actually, I have a first hand experience with this. When I was just a child living somewhere in the unstable Eastern Europe of the late 80's/early 90's my step father had kept a loaded 12 gauge shotgun in our apartment, because there was an ethnic movement out there to get to folks of my kind...

What amazes me about Americans is they don't seem to realize that George Washington and Company envisioned this nation a looooooooooong fawking time ago, and just about everything has changed since then. I just can't hear an intelligent person use that argument, it's silly. What was true over 200 years ago is irrelevant today. There's no Injuns roaming your lands. The fuck you need combat weapons for?

You obviously stopped reading at the point that you felt your ideas were still valid. Continue to the second half of his post, and you will find the answer to why we still need weapons.

And you know what? New Orleans. Theft, looting, murder, robbery. By both citizens AND the police. Still don't think we need guns?

iMan323 · 03-12-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by danzik17

You obviously stopped reading at the point that you felt your ideas were still valid. Continue to the second half of his post, and you will find the answer to why we still need weapons.

And you know what? New Orleans. Theft, looting, murder, robbery. By both citizens AND the police. Still don't think we need guns?

Nope. Freedom and weapons...that's romantic, but has shit to do with reality. Gunslingers aint' shit these days. Look at Afghanistan or Iraq or Rwanda or Libia or Somalia. Everybody's armed to the teeth. Do they have freedom...uhhh ok....? Do they prosper? moot point...

No, I don't think guns have shit to do with freedom these days. It's all about the economic firepower these days.

DOMS · 03-12-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by iMan323

Nope. Freedom and weapons...that's romantic, but has shit to do with reality. Gunslingers aint' shit these days. Look at Afghanistan or Iraq or Rwanda or Libia or Somalia. Everybody's armed to the teeth. Do they have freedom...uhhh ok....? Do they prosper? moot point...

No, I don't think guns have shit to do with freedom these days. It's all about the economic firepower these days.

Question: Do you trust the current administration?

Big Smoothy · 03-13-2008, 12:52 AM

Good discussion in this thread.

I own about 6 guns. Been locked up for years. One rifle, the rest handguns.

I don't have a clear stand on the issue, except if I want one in my house hidden, I can and want to be able to. Also, travelling across the USA I carried a handgun in my car (often, probably illegal in many states).

I've got a concealed weapons permit in my home state.

Banning guns is too late for the US. 170-220 million are in circulation.

I believe in a 1 strike and you're out with gun related crimes. Meaning, 20+ years minimum for robbing 7-11, that does not injure someone.

The US has a gun crime/public shooting problem. There will be more mass killings in the near and long-term future. It doesn't matter where you live, either.

Tier · 03-13-2008, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

Good discussion in this thread.

I own about 6 guns. Been locked up for years. One rifle, the rest handguns.

I don't have a clear stand on the issue, except if I want one in my house hidden, I can and want to be able to. Also, travelling across the USA I carried a handgun in my car (often, probably illegal in many states).

I've got a concealed weapons permit in my home state.

Banning guns is too late for the US. 170-220 million are in circulation.

I believe in a 1 strike and you're out with gun related crimes. Meaning, 20+ years minimum for robbing 7-11, that does not injure someone.

The US has a gun crime/public shooting problem. There will be more mass killings in the near and long-term future. It doesn't matter where you live, either.

Haven't you ever watched batman??

Point being stricter isn't better, he's going to use a gun and he will get 20 years if he's caught why not just walk up and cap the guy then take the money instead of waiting for him to put it in the bag? It's all about escalation, once we sit back and say there will always be crime and people will always get killed by other people then we can make sane laws.

If the cops told you "if I catch you speeding I just whip out my gun and blast you in the face", what are you going to do when a cop pulls you over? You're going to throw lead at him.

iMan323 · 03-13-2008, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Question: Do you trust the current administration?

Do I sound like I trust the current administration, or will trust the next administration? No.

Will I take up arms to stand up to an oppressive US government? No, I'd pack my shit and move to Brazil. Why? Because I want to live. I spent 3 years in the US Army infantry and I don't want to be on the receiving end of that firepower.

WillBrink · 03-13-2008, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by iMan323

but how would you gun folks feel if your neighbor had one of those shotguns in his closet?

jealous

WillBrink · 03-13-2008, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by danzik17

It's been beat to death, but statistics show that crime rates are lower in areas where people are known to carry concealed weapons (legally). Look at Washington D.C. where they banned guns and gun crime continued; all that did was take away people's ability to defend themselves.

Hey, don't let the facts get in the way of this thread!

WillBrink · 03-13-2008, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by danzik17

You obviously stopped reading at the point that you felt your ideas were still valid. Continue to the second half of his post, and you will find the answer to why we still need weapons.

And you know what? New Orleans. Theft, looting, murder, robbery. By both citizens AND the police. Still don't think we need guns?

As I have already covered this topic 5,896,097,913 times, perhaps movies will help.

John Stossel on 20/20 regarding the facts of gun control:

YouTube - Myth: Gun Control Reduces Crime

After Katrina:

YouTube - NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina

The UK experience:

Weapon Videos - Point, Aim, Click, Film........ :: Video :: Gun bans in the UK (NRA)

And for Humor, Penn and Teller on gun control:

Penn & Teller - Bullshit - Gun Control 1/3

Enjoy!

**dg806** · 03-13-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by maniclion

Ban guns and nuts will still find ways to kill large numbers of people, hell household products can make a bomb.....a speeding car into a crowded sidewalk can drop more people faster than a machine gun......a little tampering with food or water supplies...

I am the closest to being a hippy on this board and I am all about peace and love but I am also for freedom. It is our right to own guns not only for hunting but for defense of our homes and our homeland. You never know what could happen say a natural disaster puts your town or even the whole country into a state of anarchy, we've seen it happen first hand in NOLA.....I bet any of you anti-gun folks would be happy to have an arsenal of guns when a mob of starving looters try to break into your home. Sometimes things don't happen right off, say you guys get your gun bans, then slowly our government starts taking away other rights....pretty soon we are living in a country so far from what George Washington and his homies had in mind so we want to change it and the old methods of change through voting don't work anymore the only way is by force but they have all of our weapons. What can we do but just get fucked in the ass until we can smuggle and steal enough weapons to revolt.......any of these things could happen they've happened throughout history to some of the best nations and are happening now in other parts of the world..... Don't ever think that America is immune to those things and don't ever let the government get the upper hand on the people......

Very true and good post

DOMS · 03-13-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by iMan323

Do I sound like I trust the current administration, or will trust the next administration? No.

Will I take up arms to stand up to an oppressive US government? No, I'd pack my shit and move to Brazil. Why? Because I want to live. I spent 3 years in the US Army infantry and I don't want to be on the receiving end of that firepower.

It's a good thing you, and that many people like you, weren't around for the Civil War.

brogers · 03-13-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by iMan323

Nope. Freedom and weapons...that's romantic, but has shit to do with reality. Gunslingers aint' shit these days. Look at Afghanistan or Iraq or Rwanda or Libia or Somalia. Everybody's armed to the teeth. Do they h

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maniclion Catalyst Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hawaii, selling munitions for the war on EcoTerror Posts: 17,652 Photos: 10	Ban guns and nuts will still find ways to kill large numbers of people, hell household products can make a bomb.....a speeding car into a crowded sidewalk can drop more people faster than a machine gun......a little tampering with food or water supplies... I am the closest to being a hippy on this board and I am all about peace and love but I am also for freedom. It is our right to own guns not only for hunting but for defense of our homes and our homeland. You never know what could happen say a natural disaster puts your town or even the whole country into a state of anarchy, we've seen it happen first hand in NOLA.....I bet any of you anti-gun folks would be happy to have an arsenal of guns when a mob of starving looters try to break into your home. Sometimes things don't happen right off, say you guys get your gun bans, then slowly our government starts taking away other rights....pretty soon we are living in a country so far from what George Washington and his homies had in mind so we want to change it and the old methods of change through voting don't work anymore the only way is by force but they have all of our weapons. What can we do but just get fucked in the ass until we can smuggle and steal enough weapons to revolt.......any of these things could happen they've happened throughout history to some of the best nations and are happening now in other parts of the world..... Don't ever think that America is immune to those things and don't ever let the government get the upper hand on the people......

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03-13-2008, 12:52 AM	#45
Big Smoothy Windy City Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,690	Good discussion in this thread. I own about 6 guns. Been locked up for years. One rifle, the rest handguns. I don't have a clear stand on the issue, except if I want one in my house hidden, I can and want to be able to. Also, travelling across the USA I carried a handgun in my car (often, probably illegal in many states). I've got a concealed weapons permit in my home state. Banning guns is too late for the US. 170-220 million are in circulation. I believe in a 1 strike and you're out with gun related crimes. Meaning, 20+ years minimum for robbing 7-11, that does not injure someone. The US has a gun crime/public shooting problem. There will be more mass killings in the near and long-term future. It doesn't matter where you live, either.