Thread: We need more entitlement programs, then we can be like the British.

this is why we dont want a liberal president because this is exactly how they run things...they want to hand it to you on a silver platter...hence making us more of a socialistic government which in turn would fuck us up even more.

It makes me feel like a fool for working for a living. Fucking governments rewarding people for been pathetic losers.

Originally Posted by clemson357

Ever hear liberals talk about how much more enlightened Europeans are? "Every other industrialized nation has gun control, has socialized medicine, etc."

This article is unbelievable. It really puts it in perspective, its a family with three generations of adults, none of whom work or have any aspiration of working.

Meet the families where no one's worked for THREE generations - and they don't care | the Daily Mail

"So, eventually, in my 20s, I thought: "I've tried security work and plumbing and I've even been a taxi driver for six months, but I just don't like working". My mates all left school and became mechanics, sweating it out in stinking, dirty garages for a couple of hundred quid a week.
"I'm much better off than any of them. The highlight of their day is going to the bakery to get a pasty for lunch and they've aged 20 years from the stress of working for a pittance and being stuck indoors all day. It's my right to claim benefits. We're all entitled to do what we want in life.




"I don't like the idea of having to be bossed around at work and I don't want to go to college or anything because I like to stay in bed in the morning. In the meantime, it's my right to claim benefits. One day I'd like a council flat."

But the really disturbing aspect of the McFaddens' lifestyle is that they are far from alone. Six million Britons are living in homes where no one has a job and "benefits are a way of life", according to a report by MPs. Shock figures also revealed that 20,000 households in Britain are pocketing more than £30,000 a year in state benefits.

It's not that easy to get on the dole in Britain. Holland, Sweden, and other European nations have more dole problems. There's also a demographic problem of having people getting pensions at the age of 55, that's being paid by workers now, that won't have it in the future.

Medical care? The German had "socialized" medicine beginning in 1888.

Don't confuse "socialized" medicine with Universal care, also.

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

Don't confuse "socialized" medicine with Universal care, also.

You can take a 1978 Gremlin and CALL it a sports car, but it's still a 1978 Gremlin.

What the hell is a 1978 Gremlin? At least use like a Pinto as the example

If I work harder than the next guy....why should he make as much money as I should?

Originally Posted by P-funk

If I work harder than the next guy....why should he make as much money as I should?

b/c he works smarter...?

Originally Posted by lnvanry

b/c he works smarter...?

impossible!



Where in AZ are you?

Originally Posted by P-funk

impossible!



Where in AZ are you?

Uh oh. Someone's ass is getting kicked

At least he didn't give his address.

Originally Posted by P-funk

If I work harder than the next guy....why should he make as much money as I should?

Because life is not fair or he's better than you in the shameless art of ass kissing.

Originally Posted by ALBOB

You can take a 1978 Gremlin and CALL it a sports car, but it's still a 1978 Gremlin.

False analogy. Apples and oranges.

I don't know what the solution to the Health Care issue is, but it's possible something may be done. But only possible.

The people getting financially destroyed by medical bills statistically have medical coverage.

As for "socialized" medicine, which no one has defined yet, there is no way to pay for it, so it won't ever happen in the U.S.

GWB blue Medicare to pieces with the biggest Socialized Medicine change in US history - Medicare expansion. He signed this a couple of years ago.

Medicare will break the US.

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

There's also a demographic problem of having people getting pensions at the age of 55, that's being paid by workers now, that won't have it in the future.

can anyone say 'social security?"

Originally Posted by nadirmg

can anyone say 'social security?"

I was talking about Europe, because the OP was about the UK, which many Brits argue, is NOT Europe.

Social Security is a train Crash.

But what is worse is: MEDICARE.

Research David Walker, former GAO, America's top accountant who just resigned.

I started a thread about it with a brief YouTube Embed but it was ignored.

They should at the very least feed these people to the lions and tigers and bears at the zoo when they die so they can be like livestock being fattened up for the kill, maybe herd them up at the age of 35 or 40 once they've been bred long enough to restock the pasture. Or maybe grind them up and resale them to the other dole getters in Spam form collect organs from them for the hardworking with stress related organ diseases who need transplants. Get something useful out of the louses.....

I know mandatory lab rat duty for all welfare recipients....

My rational side says that capitalism is the best system created by man so far, and that reward for hard work is the best way to stimulate innovation and productivity. The system keeps the stronger more motivated people at the top making the important decisions and deciding how the bulk of a nations wealth is spent. The flip side of that is once you get to the top, you have all the power to keep everyone else down. Your offspring will go to the best schools, get the best education, and the bests opportunities. Again, this gives more incentive to push hard to get to the top. In this system, you have many people pushing with all they have, and jocking for position. These people use they minds to to fullest to put themselves in a better position to reap more rewards. It sounds perfect.

But, there is a nasty side to it. People push so hard that they lose site of what their life is about. The obsession with material possessions drives us insane. I am guilty. I want this and I want that. I have the money so I'll buy it. Then I spend all of my money so I work harder to buy more. People develop attitudes like "well I bust my ass everyday to have stuff, and I'll be damned if I want to give my hard earned money to people that don't bust their ass", and so on. I fell this way a lot. The thing that pissed me off to no end when I went to college is that I paid for every cent. Sometimes I worked two jobs and went to school. During midterms and finals, I had to quit leave the gym, sleep 3 and 4 hours a night, and often times not sleep at all for days at a time to get all of my work done with the schedule I was working on. Then I talked to people on minority scholarships, or pell grants because their parents didn't work, or their dad was a deadbeat. What the fuck? Why don't I qualify for anything, because may parents weren't in the position to help me financially? As if my attitude wasn't bad enough, this filled me with so much hate and despise for my government and for people that I felt didn't pull their own weight.

I don't really feel that way anymore. If I stayed on that path, I think the stress and hate would have probably killed me, and even if it didn't I wouldn't really get much satisfaction from my life.

Our government will never be truly capitalistic again like it was in the early days. There is still plenty of reward for hard work. There is still plenty of room to move up. But, many of us are afraid that we will become to socialistic. So what do we do about it? There really isn't much we can do. If you decide to vote for the democrats that will expand social programs and move away from the system that made us great. If you choose to vote republican, you basically just take all of the money you would have given to social programs, and spend it on blowing up other countries and corporate wellfare. Its a lose lose situation.

The only conclusion I can come to is to say "fuck it". Vote your conscience, and do the best you can with the opportunities you have. I just realized at 25 years old that working myself into an early grave to buy more shit is the dumbest existence ever. I haven't figured out how to do it, but my goal is to learn to be happy with what I have rather than live in a perpetual state of wanting more. This is the byproduct of capitalism. I am a byproduct of my culture. Whether you admit it or not, I believe most Americans are the same way. The middle class in the engine of this economy. We have been duped. The rich is riding our back with a carrot on a stick holding it in front of our face. Will will chase the carrot until we die? As I type this I think to myself of the list in my head of the shit that I want so bad, that I almost feel like my life is a failure if I don't get those things. If I decide that I can live without those things, my drive will deteriorate. If the entire middle class came to this conclusion, would our economy crash and burn? I bet it would.


Jesus Christ I drank too much coffee today!

That's why I'm voting Ron Paul this election, even though I know it is a "wasted" vote in the end. I can't vote for any of the other three in good conscience, and I would rather just stick to what I believe in.

Originally Posted by danzik17

That's why I'm voting Ron Paul this election, even though I know it is a "wasted" vote in the end. I can't vote for any of the other three in good conscience, and I would rather just stick to what I believe in.

That, my friend, is called high ethics. If everyone had high ethics, we would be living in a Utopian society. I don't have high ethics. I'm voting for the lesser evil that I think has a shot at winning.

Originally Posted by clemson357

Ever hear liberals talk about how much more enlightened Europeans are? "Every other industrialized nation has gun control, has socialized medicine, etc."

This article is unbelievable. It really puts it in perspective, its a family with three generations of adults, none of whom work or have any aspiration of working.

Meet the families where no one's worked for THREE generations - and they don't care | the Daily Mail

"So, eventually, in my 20s, I thought: "I've tried security work and plumbing and I've even been a taxi driver for six months, but I just don't like working". My mates all left school and became mechanics, sweating it out in stinking, dirty garages for a couple of hundred quid a week.
"I'm much better off than any of them. The highlight of their day is going to the bakery to get a pasty for lunch and they've aged 20 years from the stress of working for a pittance and being stuck indoors all day. It's my right to claim benefits. We're all entitled to do what we want in life.




"I don't like the idea of having to be bossed around at work and I don't want to go to college or anything because I like to stay in bed in the morning. In the meantime, it's my right to claim benefits. One day I'd like a council flat."

But the really disturbing aspect of the McFaddens' lifestyle is that they are far from alone. Six million Britons are living in homes where no one has a job and "benefits are a way of life", according to a report by MPs. Shock figures also revealed that 20,000 households in Britain are pocketing more than £30,000 a year in state benefits.

I heard the same story but instead the family was American.

Originally Posted by KelJu

My rational side says that capitalism is the best system created by man so far, and that reward for hard work is the best way to stimulate innovation and productivity. The system keeps the stronger more motivated people at the top making the important decisions and deciding how the bulk of a nations wealth is spent. The flip side of that is once you get to the top, you have all the power to keep everyone else down. Your offspring will go to the best schools, get the best education, and the bests opportunities. Again, this gives more incentive to push hard to get to the top. In this system, you have many people pushing with all they have, and jocking for position. These people use they minds to to fullest to put themselves in a better position to reap more rewards. It sounds perfect.

But, there is a nasty side to it. People push so hard that they lose site of what their life is about. The obsession with material possessions drives us insane. I am guilty. I want this and I want that. I have the money so I'll buy it. Then I spend all of my money so I work harder to buy more. People develop attitudes like "well I bust my ass everyday to have stuff, and I'll be damned if I want to give my hard earned money to people that don't bust their ass", and so on. I fell this way a lot. The thing that pissed me off to no end when I went to college is that I paid for every cent. Sometimes I worked two jobs and went to school. During midterms and finals, I had to quit leave the gym, sleep 3 and 4 hours a night, and often times not sleep at all for days at a time to get all of my work done with the schedule I was working on. Then I talked to people on minority scholarships, or pell grants because their parents didn't work, or their dad was a deadbeat. What the fuck? Why don't I qualify for anything, because may parents weren't in the position to help me financially? As if my attitude wasn't bad enough, this filled me with so much hate and despise for my government and for people that I felt didn't pull their own weight.

I don't really feel that way anymore. If I stayed on that path, I think the stress and hate would have probably killed me, and even if it didn't I wouldn't really get much satisfaction from my life.

Our government will never be truly capitalistic again like it was in the early days. There is still plenty of reward for hard work. There is still plenty of room to move up. But, many of us are afraid that we will become to socialistic. So what do we do about it? There really isn't much we can do. If you decide to vote for the democrats that will expand social programs and move away from the system that made us great. If you choose to vote republican, you basically just take all of the money you would have given to social programs, and spend it on blowing up other countries and corporate wellfare. Its a lose lose situation.

The only conclusion I can come to is to say "fuck it". Vote your conscience, and do the best you can with the opportunities you have. I just realized at 25 years old that working myself into an early grave to buy more shit is the dumbest existence ever. I haven't figured out how to do it, but my goal is to learn to be happy with what I have rather than live in a perpetual state of wanting more. This is the byproduct of capitalism. I am a byproduct of my culture. Whether you admit it or not, I believe most Americans are the same way. The middle class in the engine of this economy. We have been duped. The rich is riding our back with a carrot on a stick holding it in front of our face. Will will chase the carrot until we die? As I type this I think to myself of the list in my head of the shit that I want so bad, that I almost feel like my life is a failure if I don't get those things. If I decide that I can live without those things, my drive will deteriorate. If the entire middle class came to this conclusion, would our economy crash and burn? I bet it would.


Jesus Christ I drank too much coffee today!

Know what I do? I spend my money on well made usually more expensive stuff that will last for decades, maybe even centuries if taken care of properly. Things that can be passed down to other generations as heirlooms, we don't have much of that stuff anymore, almost everything on the market is practically disposable these days, go to Walmart or Sears and 98% of the crap is so cheap that it's guaranteed to break in less than 3 years. That is the biggest problem with our world today especially our nation, everything is disposable, from goods to the planet to people. People expect that tomorrow they'll be dead so why try to do something with their life, why invest in the future, why do anything. It's the reason so many have given up.....

Originally Posted by KelJu

My rational side says that capitalism is the best system created by man so far, and that reward for hard work is the best way to stimulate innovation and productivity. The system keeps the stronger more motivated people at the top making the important decisions and deciding how the bulk of a nations wealth is spent. The flip side of that is once you get to the top, you have all the power to keep everyone else down. Your offspring will go to the best schools, get the best education, and the bests opportunities. Again, this gives more incentive to push hard to get to the top. In this system, you have many people pushing with all they have, and jocking for position. These people use they minds to to fullest to put themselves in a better position to reap more rewards. It sounds perfect.

But, there is a nasty side to it. People push so hard that they lose site of what their life is about. The obsession with material possessions drives us insane. I am guilty. I want this and I want that. I have the money so I'll buy it. Then I spend all of my money so I work harder to buy more. People develop attitudes like "well I bust my ass everyday to have stuff, and I'll be damned if I want to give my hard earned money to people that don't bust their ass", and so on. I fell this way a lot. The thing that pissed me off to no end when I went to college is that I paid for every cent. Sometimes I worked two jobs and went to school. During midterms and finals, I had to quit leave the gym, sleep 3 and 4 hours a night, and often times not sleep at all for days at a time to get all of my work done with the schedule I was working on. Then I talked to people on minority scholarships, or pell grants because their parents didn't work, or their dad was a deadbeat. What the fuck? Why don't I qualify for anything, because may parents weren't in the position to help me financially? As if my attitude wasn't bad enough, this filled me with so much hate and despise for my government and for people that I felt didn't pull their own weight.

I don't really feel that way anymore. If I stayed on that path, I think the stress and hate would have probably killed me, and even if it didn't I wouldn't really get much satisfaction from my life.

Our government will never be truly capitalistic again like it was in the early days. There is still plenty of reward for hard work. There is still plenty of room to move up. But, many of us are afraid that we will become to socialistic. So what do we do about it? There really isn't much we can do. If you decide to vote for the democrats that will expand social programs and move away from the system that made us great. If you choose to vote republican, you basically just take all of the money you would have given to social programs, and spend it on blowing up other countries and corporate wellfare. Its a lose lose situation.

The only conclusion I can come to is to say "fuck it". Vote your conscience, and do the best you can with the opportunities you have. I just realized at 25 years old that working myself into an early grave to buy more shit is the dumbest existence ever. I haven't figured out how to do it, but my goal is to learn to be happy with what I have rather than live in a perpetual state of wanting more. This is the byproduct of capitalism. I am a byproduct of my culture. Whether you admit it or not, I believe most Americans are the same way. The middle class in the engine of this economy. We have been duped. The rich is riding our back with a carrot on a stick holding it in front of our face. Will will chase the carrot until we die? As I type this I think to myself of the list in my head of the shit that I want so bad, that I almost feel like my life is a failure if I don't get those things. If I decide that I can live without those things, my drive will deteriorate. If the entire middle class came to this conclusion, would our economy crash and burn? I bet it would.


Jesus Christ I drank too much coffee today!

See, IMO, you don't have to choose one or the other. I am all for capitalism, but believe certain industries should not be driven though capitalism, such as healthcare, childcare, shit like that. I don't see any reason why the people defending our country and risking their lives on a daily basis should be "socialized" while medical professionals need 7 cars and 4 homes. If you don't like what you will be getting paid, choose another profession.

I would like mandatory sterilization attached to welfare programs or at least a cap of two children maximum. Haven't you noticed that people on welfare have more children than people who work for a living. C'mon, if you can't support one child what make you think you can support five. Time adopt Chinese tactics and end the welfare abuse.

Originally Posted by kiko

I would like mandatory sterilization attached to welfare programs or at least a cap of two children maximum. Haven't you noticed that people on welfare have more children than people who work for a living. C'mon, if you can't support one child what make you think you can support five. Time adopt Chinese tactics and end the welfare abuse.

What's funny is the more money people make the less children they have, on average thats the way it works. Doesn't make much sense but thats the norm. Maybe the poorer folk are hoping one of their 10 kids will be rich one day and take care of them in old age....

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

See, IMO, you don't have to choose one or the other. I am all for capitalism, but believe certain industries should not be driven though capitalism, such as healthcare, childcare, shit like that. I don't see any reason why the people defending our country and risking their lives on a daily basis should be "socialized" while medical professionals need 7 cars and 4 homes. If you don't like what you will be getting paid, choose another profession.

I agree with the first part. Heathcare, childcare, and education should all be highly funded. Education is the key to unlocking a person's potential. Great minds made the US great.

But, I don't agree with your assessment of healthcare professionals. Becoming a doctor is extremely difficult plus being a doctor is stressful and hard work. They deserve the money, imo. Also, I don't think doctors are the problem anyway. I think the healthcare industry as a whole is the problem. There are too many people with the hands in the pot, that aren't doctors.

Speaking of entitlement programs, nice to see the government bail out the millionaire, formerly billionaire, incompetents at Bear Stearns. Can't wait to be paying for that one with my tax dollars.

Originally Posted by KelJu

My rational side says that capitalism is the best system created by man so far, and that reward for hard work is the best way to stimulate innovation and productivity. The system keeps the stronger more motivated people at the top making the important decisions and deciding how the bulk of a nations wealth is spent. The flip side of that is once you get to the top, you have all the power to keep everyone else down. Your offspring will go to the best schools, get the best education, and the bests opportunities. Again, this gives more incentive to push hard to get to the top. In this system, you have many people pushing with all they have, and jocking for position. These people use they minds to to fullest to put themselves in a better position to reap more rewards. It sounds perfect.

But, there is a nasty side to it. People push so hard that they lose site of what their life is about. The obsession with material possessions drives us insane. I am guilty. I want this and I want that. I have the money so I'll buy it. Then I spend all of my money so I work harder to buy more. People develop attitudes like "well I bust my ass everyday to have stuff, and I'll be damned if I want to give my hard earned money to people that don't bust their ass", and so on. I fell this way a lot. The thing that pissed me off to no end when I went to college is that I paid for every cent. Sometimes I worked two jobs and went to school. During midterms and finals, I had to quit leave the gym, sleep 3 and 4 hours a night, and often times not sleep at all for days at a time to get all of my work done with the schedule I was working on. Then I talked to people on minority scholarships, or pell grants because their parents didn't work, or their dad was a deadbeat. What the fuck? Why don't I qualify for anything, because may parents weren't in the position to help me financially? As if my attitude wasn't bad enough, this filled me with so much hate and despise for my government and for people that I felt didn't pull their own weight.

I don't really feel that way anymore. If I stayed on that path, I think the stress and hate would have probably killed me, and even if it didn't I wouldn't really get much satisfaction from my life.

Our government will never be truly capitalistic again like it was in the early days. There is still plenty of reward for hard work. There is still plenty of room to move up. But, many of us are afraid that we will become to socialistic. So what do we do about it? There really isn't much we can do. If you decide to vote for the democrats that will expand social programs and move away from the system that made us great. If you choose to vote republican, you basically just take all of the money you would have given to social programs, and spend it on blowing up other countries and corporate wellfare. Its a lose lose situation.

The only conclusion I can come to is to say "fuck it". Vote your conscience, and do the best you can with the opportunities you have. I just realized at 25 years old that working myself into an early grave to buy more shit is the dumbest existence ever. I haven't figured out how to do it, but my goal is to learn to be happy with what I have rather than live in a perpetual state of wanting more. This is the byproduct of capitalism. I am a byproduct of my culture. Whether you admit it or not, I believe most Americans are the same way. The middle class in the engine of this economy. We have been duped. The rich is riding our back with a carrot on a stick holding it in front of our face. Will will chase the carrot until we die? As I type this I think to myself of the list in my head of the shit that I want so bad, that I almost feel like my life is a failure if I don't get those things. If I decide that I can live without those things, my drive will deteriorate. If the entire middle class came to this conclusion, would our economy crash and burn? I bet it would.


Jesus Christ I drank too much coffee today!

Saw your signature...did danny 81 really say that...Jesus Christ what a fucking retard...roflmao!!!!

Originally Posted by maniclion

What's funny is the more money people make the less children they have, on average thats the way it works. Doesn't make much sense but thats the norm. Maybe the poorer folk are hoping one of their 10 kids will be rich one day and take care of them in old age....

No, poor people are poor because they are usually not good at handling their business. Strapping on a condom and staying on the pill is part of handling your business. The only way to fix it would be harsh and unfair to the children, because you would have to deny any and all assistance to parents that have kids when they can't afford them. You can't beat a dead horse, and the government would spend more money on tracking down deadbeat dads then they would actually get from them.

I like doublebase's idea of sterilizing the entire population. Only people who are deemed financially, mentally, and emotionally capable of raising children get to have the pill that reverses it.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Speaking of entitlement programs, nice to see the government bail out the millionaire, formerly billionaire, incompetents at Bear Stearns. Can't wait to be paying for that one with my tax dollars.

My father's credit is impeccable. He always has and always will bust his ass to meet his obligations. He never took loans he couldn't pay back, and never bought shit he couldn't afford. He saved his entire life, and invested into our economy and stock market. His reward for it all is that he lost nearly 25% of his retirement and life savings when Morgan Stanley hit the shitter. Our government didn't bail them out, China did. Now China owns part of whats left of my dad's retirement.

People can blame the poor all they want. In the end, its the greedy pieces of shit on wallstreet and the politicians that will drive the country into the ground.