Thread: Dick Cheney: "So?"

I would love to never hear from him ever again.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

It DID have movie theaters and bars and women wearing what they wanted and a significant Christian population and one of the few Arab capitals with an open synagogue.

Yeah, Cheney is an ass, but this bit reeks of self-delusion.

Should be quickly defended by brogers or busylivin'.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Yeah, Cheney is an ass, but this bit reeks of self-delusion.

He's simply pointing out that it's worse now than it was. It's actually more extreme now than it was under Saddam. He's pointing out the irony of it.


I know that if you try to point out something ironic about saddam, then the only appropriate response is that he's satan. However, he's just like any other worthless dictator, many of whom we support or turn a blind eye to anyways.

As much as i hate Cheney, i have to admit that was a funny response.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

He's simply pointing out that it's worse now than it was. It's actually more extreme now than it was under Saddam. He's pointing out the irony of it.


I know that if you try to point out something ironic about saddam, then the only appropriate response is that he's satan. However, he's just like any other worthless dictator, many of whom we support or turn a blind eye to anyways.

Obviously the author chose to forget how many people were being pulled from their houses, tortured, and then killed under Saddam. Not to mention how to the Kurds were being treated.

Ignoring all of that results in the speaker having zero credibility.

Denial...river...Egypt...

Yeah Cheney is an ass but I also never listen to any propaganda that starts babbling on about God and/or whether or not a country is 'blessed'...

Damn religious crazies...

Originally Posted by DOMS

Obviously the author chose to forget how many people were being pulled from their houses, tortured, and then killed under Saddam. Not to mention how to the Kurds were being treated.

Ignoring all of that results in the speaker having zero credibility.

Denial...river...Egypt...

It's called stating the obvious. It's been stated so many times, hopefully everyone understands it true.


It's like one of the guys who keeps interupting you when you're trying to make a point, saying "WELL SADDAM WAS BAD!!" No shit, we get it.


You must think "SADDAM IS BAD" is the new punctuation for any sentence that is attempting to shed light on the current situation in Iraq.


The situation in Iraq is badSADDAM IS BAD (note the no period used)


By the way, why do you pretend to care? You could care less, so why does it matter if saddam was bad anyways?

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

As much as i hate Cheney, i have to admit that was a funny response.

Why was it funny?

Originally Posted by NeilPearson

Yeah Cheney is an ass but I also never listen to any propaganda that starts babbling on about God and/or whether or not a country is 'blessed'...

Damn religious crazies...

They are not being overly religious. They are making fun of the "god bless America" bullshit that the war mongers are tauting. When I read it, I am sensing sarcasm.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

It's called stating the obvious. It's been stated so many times, hopefully everyone understands it true.


It's like one of the guys who keeps interupting you when you're trying to make a point, saying "WELL SADDAM WAS BAD!!" No shit, we get it.


You must think "SADDAM IS BAD" is the new punctuation for any sentence that is attempting to shed light on the current situation in Iraq.


The situation in Iraq is badSADDAM IS BAD (note the no period used)


By the way, why do you pretend to care? You could care less, so why does it matter if saddam was bad anyways?

It's not simply spouting "Saddam is bad!". It's that the person you quoted is trying to make it sound like life under Saddam was something good. Which is a joke.

Originally Posted by KelJu

They are not being overly religious. They are making fun of the "god bless America" bullshit that the war mongers are tauting. When I read it, I am sensing sarcasm.

I guess you are right... I had to re-read it. As soon as I see God, I tune out :P

Originally Posted by DOMS

It's not simply spouting "Saddam is bad!". It's that the person you quoted is trying to make it sound like life under Saddam was something good. Which is a joke.

It's all conjecture since none of us lived there, however I think that life was maybe more predictable under Saddam than it is right now. At least under Saddam you would be moderately safe assuming you weren't an activist or something similar. Right now it's almost an "anything goes" environment.

Dick Cheney is gone in less than a year, get a friggen life.

I'm also sure that "2/3rds of Americans" are more qualified and informed than the people who have access to all the briefings that executive branch/military officials have to make those decisions. Oh, I forgot, CNN and the New York Times are much better at informing decision makers than hearing word directly from the commanders on the ground. My bad, I always forget that.

Originally Posted by brogers

Dick Cheney is gone in less than a year, get a friggen life.

I'm also sure that "2/3rds of Americans" are more qualified and informed than the people who have access to all the briefings that executive branch/military officials have to make those decisions. Oh, I forgot, CNN and the New York Times are much better at informing decision makers than hearing word directly from the commanders on the ground. My bad, I always forget that.

I'm not going to attack you are your comment. Lets wash the slate and start over? Agreed?

Tell me what you think of Dick Chaney's huge severance package and bonus when he left Haliburton, and the giant profit increase they incurred when we began wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Myself and many others saw a blatant conflict of interest, especially when you consider the lives affected and lost. I feel what he did was down right evil. What is your take on that?

BigDyl and his comrades protesting the war:

http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

Originally Posted by KelJu

I'm not going to attack you are your comment. Lets wash the slate and start over? Agreed?

Tell me what you think of Dick Chaney's huge severance package and bonus when he left Haliburton, and the giant profit increase they incurred when we began wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Myself and many others saw a blatant conflict of interest, especially when you consider the lives affected and lost. I feel what he did was down right evil. What is your take on that?

I also agree with you.

Originally Posted by brogers

BigDyl and his comrades protesting the war:

The zombietime Hall of Shame

Are you over the age limit to enlist?
With Witmaster I can respect his opinions on the war....your home safe so I really take your opinions with a grain of salt and a shot of tequila.

Originally Posted by KelJu

I'm not going to attack you are your comment. Lets wash the slate and start over? Agreed?

Tell me what you think of Dick Chaney's huge severance package and bonus when he left Haliburton, and the giant profit increase they incurred when we began wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Myself and many others saw a blatant conflict of interest, especially when you consider the lives affected and lost. I feel what he did was down right evil. What is your take on that?

There are not many companies that can (and will) do the type of work required in Iraq. I'm all for strict oversight of the no-bid contracts, and any contract awarded by the government for that matter.

German, American, and British (possibly more?) indicated Saddam had weapons programs. Saddam admitted during interrogation to purposefully trying to portray himself as having weapons because he said he was more scared of Iran (and thus wanted to scare them) than he was of an American invasion. The war was authorized by the House and Senate. It is not Dick Cheney's war, it is not George Bush's war. The war can be stopped tomorrow by the Democrat-controlled House if they actually wanted. Fact is, after 9/11, to the PEOPLE of the US would not accept the threat of a terrorist getting some bio/chem/radioactive weapon and detonating. Go back and check polls if you like. This was a mistake, but it would be foolish to make another mistake in abandoning the country and allowing the extremists to have their victory.

I do not believe anyone in the Bush administration is sick and twisted enough to start a war to make some money. I don't think Dick Cheney is the type of person that values money that much anyway--he gave away 7 million dollars in 2005 alone. He has a very abrasive personality, some might even call him an "asshole!" Which is probably why its easier for people to try to lump all this blame on him.

Originally Posted by danzik17

It's all conjecture since none of us lived there, however I think that life was maybe more predictable under Saddam than it is right now. At least under Saddam you would be moderately safe assuming you weren't an activist or something similar. Right now it's almost an "anything goes" environment.

Yeah, I guess it is soft of reassuring knowing who will kill you ahead of time.


This picture sums up what liberals are:



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Originally Posted by DOMS

Yeah, I guess it is soft of reassuring knowing who will kill you ahead of time.


This picture sums up what liberals are:



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They need a beating.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Are you over the age limit to enlist?
With Witmaster I can respect his opinions on the war....your home safe so I really take your opinions with a grain of salt and a shot of tequila.

No, I could enlist, but that's not the career for me. Does that make a lick of difference? My grandfather, father, 3 uncles, 2 cousins all serve/served. Do you really want to go down that road of "you're not in the military, so your opinion doesn't matter?" We could go ask the military themselves if you want, you probably wouldn't like their response though, sorry to burst your bubble.

edit: I did consider the AF as I would love to be a fighter pilot (as my uncle is), but I didn't want to have to move a lot.

Bubble still intact.

Originally Posted by brogers

There are not many companies that can (and will) do the type of work required in Iraq. I'm all for strict oversight of the no-bid contracts, and any contract awarded by the government for that matter.

German, American, and British (possibly more?) indicated Saddam had weapons programs. Saddam admitted during interrogation to purposefully trying to portray himself as having weapons because he said he was more scared of Iran (and thus wanted to scare them) than he was of an American invasion. The war was authorized by the House and Senate. It is not Dick Cheney's war, it is not George Bush's war. The war can be stopped tomorrow by the Democrat-controlled House if they actually wanted. Fact is, after 9/11, to the PEOPLE of the US would not accept the threat of a terrorist getting some bio/chem/radioactive weapon and detonating. Go back and check polls if you like. This was a mistake, but it would be foolish to make another mistake in abandoning the country and allowing the extremists to have their victory.

I do not believe anyone in the Bush administration is sick and twisted enough to start a war to make some money. I don't think Dick Cheney is the type of person that values money that much anyway--he gave away 7 million dollars in 2005 alone. He has a very abrasive personality, some might even call him an "asshole!" Which is probably why its easier for people to try to lump all this blame on him.

Thats a fair assumption for the most part expect twisted part. I think he is twisted enough to do it for the money. That is a belief, and I have nothing but my gut feeling and what information I can get my hands on to validate it.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Yeah, I guess it is soft of reassuring knowing who will kill you ahead of time.


This picture sums up what liberals are:



This to:

A quote that fits well with these types of people:

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.

~Cicero

Originally Posted by DOMS

Yeah, I guess it is soft of reassuring knowing who will kill you ahead of time.

From what I have heard from Iraqis that I went to school with, and from interviews from Iraqis on NPR, they were much happier when Saddam was in rule. It has been said already, but the "Saddam was an evil dictator that did bla bla bla.." arguement doesn't change the fact that we made their life worse, not better.

Intention means nothing. We made a mistake. We did not improve their quality of life.

Originally Posted by KelJu

Thats a fair assumption for the most part expect twisted part. I think he is twisted enough to do it for the money. That is a belief, and I have nothing but my gut feeling and what information I can get my hands on to validate it.

If he's so hellbent on getting money, why bother to donate so many millions to charity?

It doesn't make any sense.

If you actually care about that kind of stuff you can go examine Barack Obama's wife and the raise she got from her Chicago employer after Barack was elected to the US Senate (I believe her salary was tripled) and the earmarks Barack secured for that hospital. I assume if Cheney disgusts you for that possibility in your mind, then you wouldn't want to elect another person who would do the exact same thing.

Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, (since this is the second time I've referenced this in two days) but it was only after I watched a multi-part commentary on the events of 9-11 that I understood many of the factors involved with, rather, behind this conflict.

Cheney, Bush, and the members of PNAC have a lot to benefit from the conflict. Of course the people would play off any questions regarding the extraction of troops and the end of this campaign...they have yet to wring the last bit of money out of the situation.

The point I'm trying to make is addressed in this segment. Check it out if you have time.....


Again, I am not trying to push a paranoia driven opinion on anyone. I just thought the questioned raised in this little micro-documentary were interesting.