Thread: Good article about soldiers experience in Iraq

Originally Posted by brogers

I must have missed that history class where they talked about how the American Revolutionaries objective was to murder as many of their own people as possible.

Do you realize how deranged it is to compare the War for Independence to the Iraq Conflict? The US WANTS them to be indepedent. We would leave tomorrow if those nuts would stop trying to destabilize it.

Again, you just tried to draw a comparison between the American Revolution and the terrorist nuts who are blowing up women, children, and anyone they can simply to create chaos. I sincerely hope you are not serious.

You beat me to it.

Yet again, there's someone who's against the war in Iraq and has turned off his ability to think clearly and logically.

I need to point out that I am against the war in Iraq in it's current incarnation of "Bring democracy to the sand jockeys." We should have gone there, blown the shit out them, destroyed the Iraqi army, killed Saddam, and gotten the hell out.

GWB is an historical ass.

Originally Posted by brogers

I must have missed that history class where they talked about how the American Revolutionaries objective was to murder as many of their own people as possible.

Do you realize how deranged it is to compare the War for Independence to the Iraq Conflict? The US WANTS them to be indepedent. We would leave tomorrow if those nuts would stop trying to destabilize it.

Again, you just tried to draw a comparison between the American Revolution and the terrorist nuts who are blowing up women, children, and anyone they can simply to create chaos. I sincerely hope you are not serious.

Yes, the US sincerely cares about having an independent Iraq. We really care about them. Too bad an independent Iraq would be ruled by a majority of current insurgents/hostiles.

Originally Posted by brogers

I must have missed that history class where they talked about how the American Revolutionaries objective was to murder as many of their own people as possible.

Do you realize how deranged it is to compare the War for Independence to the Iraq Conflict? The US WANTS them to be indepedent. We would leave tomorrow if those nuts would stop trying to destabilize it.

Again, you just tried to draw a comparison between the American Revolution and the terrorist nuts who are blowing up women, children, and anyone they can simply to create chaos. I sincerely hope you are not serious.

The only point I made was that not everyone in the Iraq insurgency is a terrorist nut blowing up anyone that's in the crossfire. It's the thought like yours that all should be lumped into the group of terrorist and treated as such that is turning more and more Iraqis against us.

Originally Posted by DOMS

You beat me to it.

Yet again, there's someone who's against the war in Iraq and has turned off his ability to think clearly and logically.

I need to point out that I am against the war in Iraq in it's current incarnation of "Bring democracy to the sand jockeys." We should have gone there, blown the shit out them, destroyed the Iraqi army, killed Saddam, and gotten the hell out.

GWB is an historical ass.

Thinking logically and clearly means seeing that using our current methods and staying the course in Iraq even thought they haven't worked for 5 years just aren't working. Logic would be to think "Hey this isn't working lets try a different approach.

Originally Posted by maniclion

The only point I made was that not everyone in the Iraq insurgency is a terrorist nut blowing up anyone that's in the crossfire. It's the thought like yours that all should be lumped into the group of terrorist and treated as such that is turning more and more Iraqis against us.

More and more Iraqis are siding with us, everyday.

What planet have you been living on the past year?

Originally Posted by maniclion

Thinking logically and clearly means seeing that using our current methods and staying the course in Iraq even thought they haven't worked for 5 years just aren't working. Logic would be to think "Hey this isn't working lets try a different approach.

When have I said anything positive about staying in Iraq? I've said it's a waste of American lives and money.

What I did say was that, if we're at war with the insurgents, that we treat them like they treat us. It that means torturing them and then killing them, so be it. They're sub-human anyway.

Originally Posted by brogers

More and more Iraqis are siding with us, everyday.

What planet have you been living on the past year?

The ones we're paying off you mean?


What choice do they have? Join or die.

Originally Posted by brogers

More and more Iraqis are siding with us, everyday.

What planet have you been living on the past year?

Really give me some reference to that....

From what I've read the opinions of Iraqis has steadily been that the presence of American and coalition forces make matters worse and more find attacks on our forces acceptable. The numbers shift a bit but are consistently favoring us getting out and that our being there keeps things heated....

Originally Posted by brogers

More and more Iraqis are siding with us, everyday.

Who? The Sunni? Shiites?

Do you have a link or data for this?

The polling I've read in the last 6 months states the opposite.

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

Who? The Sunni? Shiites?

Do you have a link or data for this?

The polling I've read in the last 6 months states the opposite.

Source: foxnews.com

or

brogers.com

Originally Posted by DOMS

It that means torturing them and then killing them, so be it. They're sub-human anyway.

The problem I have with that is that it kind of casts a bad light on the USA in the eyes of the rest of the world and makes it far more difficult so remain a dominant superpower. People won't follow you if they don't respect you.

The only other issue I have with that is it starts a very slippery slope kind of deal; if we are willing to look the other way on torture laws, what other laws are we willing to look the other way on? Our civil liberties are being raped right now, and although there is no absolute proof of this, I feel that it is because we are allowing the administration to do these things in the name of fighting the war on terror. It's similar to the mindset of the stereotypical spoiled brat with the "I can get away with this.....what else can I get away with?"

Originally Posted by danzik17

The problem I have with that is that it kind of casts a bad light on the USA in the eyes of the rest of the world and makes it far more difficult so remain a dominant superpower. People won't follow you if they don't respect you.

The only other issue I have with that is it starts a very slippery slope kind of deal; if we are willing to look the other way on torture laws, what other laws are we willing to look the other way on? Our civil liberties are being raped right now, and although there is no absolute proof of this, I feel that it is because we are allowing the administration to do these things in the name of fighting the war on terror. It's similar to the mindset of the stereotypical spoiled brat with the "I can get away with this.....what else can I get away with?"

Kind of like how they used the Patriotic Act to take out Elliot Spitzer. It was first created as terrorist legislation, and you had to have an incident to invoke it. Ironically the incident rate is up a hundred fold, and none of it has anything to do with terrorism. Most of it has to do with catching democratic governors.