Danny better improve his skills

DOMS · 05-09-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Boxing>MMA Striking

Boxing is wayyyy more strategical compared to most MMA stand uppers. Defense, counter punching, the jab, etc. Watch a MMA stand-up fight where they throw half as many punches as in boxing and they're gassed in 2 minutes. Boxers do it for 12 three minute rounds. Also, in MMA, one power shot likely ends the fight or has the fighter hurt and tired for the rest of the round because of those shitty 4 oz. grappling gloves.

The strategy in boxing technique probably comes close to equaling your average well rounded mixed martial artist who practices BJJ, wrestling, and some stand-up discipline. A boxer spends his whole camp on different aspects of boxing while the martial artist needs to split the same time between different disciplines. So I wouldn't exactly call boxing one dimensional.

All very valid points, but they are not all inclusive. CORUM has a valid point, too.

By no means am I discounting boxing. Boxing is the core to Krav Maga, which I'm currently learning. What I think AKIRA and CORUM are alluding to is that boxers do one thing: they punch. Odds are, if a boxer goes down, it's game over.

In regards to the kid, maybe it's in his best interest to do MMA. It appears that since the end of Tyson's career, boxing as a money making sport has greatly declined, while MMA has risen. Granted, I've followed neither too closely, but that's how it's appeared to me.

BTW, thanks again for posting those YouTube videos on boxing. They've helped my game a lot.

CORUM · 05-09-2008, 07:55 PM

your right he did!!! lol i didnt say he dedicated to boxing, i am saying what if he did. or any of the others. it is two different beasts, i think if you want to be classified as the best FIGHTER. you need to be more well rounded than just boxing. i think boxing is a good foundation and base, but i think to be a tested fighter you have to look at all aspects. because in the streets where alot of fights happen (even with pros) your not just going to box. 90% of the fights end up on the ground.

i'm an MMA'er so i think you need to be well rounded and some a boxers and will rely souly on that.

danny81 · 05-09-2008, 07:58 PM

a boxer wouldnt let him self be taken down that ez tho

CORUM · 05-09-2008, 07:59 PM

DOMS said it, that is why boxers are called one trick poneys. not that it doesnt take alot of skill to box, it does! but they only have to worry about standing there and throwing shots. imagine a boxer tries to clinch to take a breather to go the 12 rounds and you slam a knee in his gut and when he bends over you slam a knee in his face, is he going to last 12 rounds after everytime he tries to clinch you knee the shit out of him? i doubt it! nothing against boxers i think they are really skillfull at boxing, but well rounded fighter not so much.

Goodfella9783 · 05-09-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CORUM

ok........ then why did the "BEST POUND FOR POUND BOXER" bitch up. danna white told him we will get the money your looking for (say that takes care of the money issue) if you fight sean sherk. pretty boys counter offer was, "I APPOLOGIZE, I DIDNT MEAN ANY DISRESPECT" i think most people would call that a bitch when it comes down to a fight. if his striking is SO good and he would knock him out no problem. why didnt he take that easy pay day and shut up the argument?

I highly doubt Dana would give Floyd $10-20 Million to fight Sherk. But Floyd knows he'd get handled by Sherk. He'd have a better puncher's chance in MMA than Sherk would in boxing. Either one would likely kick the other's ass in their respective sport. Anderson Silva and Roy Jones still has a shot of getting made. But I see Roy fighting Joe Calzaghe instead.

CORUM · 05-09-2008, 08:03 PM

how would a boxer defend a takedown danny??? NOT BOXING!!!! defend a takedown goes into wrestling not boxing, so once he trains wrestling to defend the takedowns, he is no longer a boxer he is a what????? thats right danny and MMA'er with a boxing background. boxers will not let themself be takedown that easy, that is the dumbiest shit i've seen you post about fighting!!! there are OLYMPIC WRESTERS that get takendown and you think a boxer that doesnt even worry about getting takedown is going to be able to defend that??? get out of here!!!! your a confused guy!!!

DOMS · 05-09-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CORUM

DOMS said it, that is why boxers are called one trick poneys. not that it doesnt take alot of skill to box, it does! but they only have to worry about standing there and throwing shots. imagine a boxer tries to clinch to take a breather to go the 12 rounds and you slam a knee in his gut and when he bends over you slam a knee in his face, is he going to last 12 rounds after everytime he tries to clinch you knee the shit out of him? i doubt it! nothing against boxers i think they are really skillfull at boxing, but well rounded fighter not so much.

Who "lets" themselves be taken to the mat? Well, okay, some MMA fighters do because they're really damn good there.

Avoiding the take-down is a skill. You're not born with it, and if you don't train for it, you're going down.

DOMS · 05-09-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CORUM

how would a boxer defend a takedown danny??? NOT BOXING!!!! defend a takedown goes into wrestling not boxing, so once he trains wrestling to defend the takedowns, he is no longer a boxer he is a what????? thats right danny and MMA'er with a boxing background. boxers will not let themself be takedown that easy, that is the dumbiest shit i've seen you post about fighting!!! there are OLYMPIC WRESTERS that get takendown and you think a boxer that doesnt even worry about getting takedown is going to be able to defend that??? get out of here!!!! your a confused guy!!!

You beat me to it.

You suck.

CORUM · 05-09-2008, 08:06 PM

i would like to see jones and silva!!!! i like jones and i hate silva, even though silva is very skilled. i would liek to see it. i am suprised he agreed to box instead of trying to get jones to MMA. but i think it will be cool. yeah and i highly doubt dana would get him 20 mil. but i think if your going to talk shit, you should back it up. that old saying "dont right a check your ass can't cash"

CORUM · 05-09-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DOMS

You beat me to it.

You suck.

lol

DOMS · 05-09-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CORUM

i would like to see jones and silva!!!! i like jones and i hate silva, even though silva is very skilled. i would liek to see it. i am suprised he agreed to box instead of trying to get jones to MMA. but i think it will be cool. yeah and i highly doubt dana would get him 20 mil. but i think if your going to talk shit, you should back it up. that old saying "dont right a check your ass can't cash"

Danny writes checks thanks to his ass.

CORUM · 05-09-2008, 08:08 PM

but you quoted me and not danny saying a boxer wouldnt let himself get takendown. just letin ya know. lol

DOMS · 05-09-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CORUM

but you quoted me and not danny saying a boxer wouldnt let himself get takendown. just letin ya know. lol

That's because I'm not talking to Danny right now. He wanted help with something, I said I would if he cleaned up his writing. So I did it, and now his writing has gone to shit again.

I'm not pleased.

Goodfella9783 · 05-09-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DOMS

All very valid points, but they are not all inclusive. CORUM has a valid point, too.

By no means am I discounting boxing. Boxing is the core to Krav Maga, which I'm currently learning. What I think AKIRA and CORUM are alluding to is that boxers do one thing: they punch. Odds are, if a boxer goes down, it's game over.

In regards to the kid, maybe it's in his best interest to do MMA. It appears that since the end of Tyson's career, boxing as a money making sport has greatly declined, while MMA has risen. Granted, I've followed neither too closely, but that's how it's appeared to me.

BTW, thanks again for posting those YouTube videos on boxing. They've helped my game a lot.

I agree on the boxer going to the ground point. Zab Judah and Rampage sat down once together and the interviewer asked Zab how he'd fare in an MMA bout and Zab was like "after it goes down, I quit." Haha.

I honestly have no idea who that old guy is in the jab video is, but he's the man. That was one of the most informative jab demonstrations I've seen. He must've been a trainer in the 70's/80's.

CORUM · 05-09-2008, 08:12 PM

lol i think h gets worked up and the writing skills go out the window.

hope he doesn't do that when he boxes, get all worked up and lose your mind. his career may not take off very good

tomuchgear · 05-09-2008, 08:12 PM

doms you are never pleased.

DOMS · 05-09-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tomuchgear

doms you are never pleased.

Not true. I saw a dead Mexican once.

tomuchgear · 05-09-2008, 08:17 PM

lmfao that is to funny. i was never a boy scout but i ate a browny once.

CORUM · 05-09-2008, 08:18 PM

oh that old guy in the jab video is the shit!!!!

i would like to see GSP box someone. you look at his striking, it is very much like a boxers, very controlled good form (great jab that danny says is useless in MMA LOL) even though i think GSP would lose a boxing match. i think he is one of the most well rounded i have every seen. he is exceptionally good at EVERYTHING. he strikes like a boxer, wrestles with the best wrestlers, and grapples up there with the best. he is phenominal!!! i think he needs to stay focused, because i feel thats why he lost to serra. but that last fight with hughes, where he made hughes look like an amature. hughes looked like he didnt even know how to wrestle much less be a former UFC champ!!!!

CORUM · 05-09-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Not true. I saw a dead Mexican once.

DOMS your the greatest!!!! LOL

danny81 · 05-09-2008, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CORUM

how would a boxer defend a takedown danny??? NOT BOXING!!!! defend a takedown goes into wrestling not boxing, so once he trains wrestling to defend the takedowns, he is no longer a boxer he is a what????? thats right danny and MMA'er with a boxing background. boxers will not let themself be takedown that easy, that is the dumbiest shit i've seen you post about fighting!!! there are OLYMPIC WRESTERS that get takendown and you think a boxer that doesnt even worry about getting takedown is going to be able to defend that??? get out of here!!!! your a confused guy!!!

use his footwork to maneuver away. and one punch from the boxer ends teh fight. nd comeone. mayweathr wouldnt be good in mma. zab judah would be much better.

danny81 · 05-09-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DOMS

That's because I'm not talking to Danny right now. He wanted help with something, I said I would if he cleaned up his writing. So I did it, and now his writing has gone to shit again.

I'm not pleased.

No;. my writing is still good. Muh better then it was before.

danny81 · 05-09-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CORUM

i would like to see jones and silva!!!! i like jones and i hate silva, even though silva is very skilled. i would liek to see it. i am suprised he agreed to box instead of trying to get jones to MMA. but i think it will be cool. yeah and i highly doubt dana would get him 20 mil. but i think if your going to talk shit, you should back it up. that old saying "dont right a check your ass can't cash"

a 80 year old jones would beat any silva in boxing.

Goodfella9783 · 05-09-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CORUM

oh that old guy in the jab video is the shit!!!!

i would like to see GSP box someone. you look at his striking, it is very much like a boxers, very controlled good form (great jab that danny says is useless in MMA LOL) even though i think GSP would lose a boxing match. i think he is one of the most well rounded i have every seen. he is exceptionally good at EVERYTHING. he strikes like a boxer, wrestles with the best wrestlers, and grapples up there with the best. he is phenominal!!! i think he needs to stay focused, because i feel thats why he lost to serra. but that last fight with hughes, where he made hughes look like an amature. hughes looked like he didnt even know how to wrestle much less be a former UFC champ!!!!

Yeah GSP is such a freak of nature. Probably the best athlete in all of MMA.

CORUM · 05-09-2008, 08:32 PM

you mean a boxers foot work is better for takedowns than an OLYMPIC WRESTLER!!!! danny you crazy!!! obviously you have learned NOTHING if you claim to train MMA!!! and there are a lot of fighters in MMA now that can end a fight with one punch. plus the boxers are not getting hit with 8-12oz gloves they only 4oz. are they use to that? MMA'ers are!!!

CORUM · 05-09-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Yeah GSP is such a freak of nature. Probably the best athlete in all of MMA.

but danny said child prodigies dont live up to it. GSP started training at like 6!!!! LMAO

Goodfella9783 · 05-09-2008, 08:36 PM

YouTube Video

05-09-2008, 07:58 PM	#33
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05-09-2008, 08:12 PM	#46
tomuchgear gettin there Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ohio Posts: 1,466 Photos: 2	doms you are never pleased.
	"im going to go inject syntherol in my ass see if it gets me a bubble butt" i bet in the world you live in every one is a pony, eats rainbows, and craps butterflies. "The world's full of screwed up people tomuchgear I usually do my best to stay clear of tomuchgear them. Losers tomuchgear are a dime a dozen,tomuchgear's cheaper than thatso just kill tomuchgear with a hammer stay focused on your goals and you will eventually learn to overlook tomuchgear idiots."

05-09-2008, 08:17 PM	#48
tomuchgear gettin there Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ohio Posts: 1,466 Photos: 2	lmfao that is to funny. i was never a boy scout but i ate a browny once.
	"im going to go inject syntherol in my ass see if it gets me a bubble butt" i bet in the world you live in every one is a pony, eats rainbows, and craps butterflies. "The world's full of screwed up people tomuchgear I usually do my best to stay clear of tomuchgear them. Losers tomuchgear are a dime a dozen,tomuchgear's cheaper than thatso just kill tomuchgear with a hammer stay focused on your goals and you will eventually learn to overlook tomuchgear idiots."

05-09-2008, 07:55 PM	#32
CORUM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 264	your right he did!!! lol i didnt say he dedicated to boxing, i am saying what if he did. or any of the others. it is two different beasts, i think if you want to be classified as the best FIGHTER. you need to be more well rounded than just boxing. i think boxing is a good foundation and base, but i think to be a tested fighter you have to look at all aspects. because in the streets where alot of fights happen (even with pros) your not just going to box. 90% of the fights end up on the ground. i'm an MMA'er so i think you need to be well rounded and some a boxers and will rely souly on that.

05-09-2008, 07:59 PM	#34
CORUM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 264	DOMS said it, that is why boxers are called one trick poneys. not that it doesnt take alot of skill to box, it does! but they only have to worry about standing there and throwing shots. imagine a boxer tries to clinch to take a breather to go the 12 rounds and you slam a knee in his gut and when he bends over you slam a knee in his face, is he going to last 12 rounds after everytime he tries to clinch you knee the shit out of him? i doubt it! nothing against boxers i think they are really skillfull at boxing, but well rounded fighter not so much.

05-09-2008, 08:03 PM	#36
CORUM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 264	how would a boxer defend a takedown danny??? NOT BOXING!!!! defend a takedown goes into wrestling not boxing, so once he trains wrestling to defend the takedowns, he is no longer a boxer he is a what????? thats right danny and MMA'er with a boxing background. boxers will not let themself be takedown that easy, that is the dumbiest shit i've seen you post about fighting!!! there are OLYMPIC WRESTERS that get takendown and you think a boxer that doesnt even worry about getting takedown is going to be able to defend that??? get out of here!!!! your a confused guy!!!

05-09-2008, 08:06 PM	#39
CORUM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 264	i would like to see jones and silva!!!! i like jones and i hate silva, even though silva is very skilled. i would liek to see it. i am suprised he agreed to box instead of trying to get jones to MMA. but i think it will be cool. yeah and i highly doubt dana would get him 20 mil. but i think if your going to talk shit, you should back it up. that old saying "dont right a check your ass can't cash"

05-09-2008, 08:08 PM	#42
CORUM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 264	but you quoted me and not danny saying a boxer wouldnt let himself get takendown. just letin ya know. lol

05-09-2008, 08:18 PM	#49
CORUM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 264	oh that old guy in the jab video is the shit!!!! i would like to see GSP box someone. you look at his striking, it is very much like a boxers, very controlled good form (great jab that danny says is useless in MMA LOL) even though i think GSP would lose a boxing match. i think he is one of the most well rounded i have every seen. he is exceptionally good at EVERYTHING. he strikes like a boxer, wrestles with the best wrestlers, and grapples up there with the best. he is phenominal!!! i think he needs to stay focused, because i feel thats why he lost to serra. but that last fight with hughes, where he made hughes look like an amature. hughes looked like he didnt even know how to wrestle much less be a former UFC champ!!!!

05-09-2008, 08:32 PM	#55
CORUM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 264	you mean a boxers foot work is better for takedowns than an OLYMPIC WRESTLER!!!! danny you crazy!!! obviously you have learned NOTHING if you claim to train MMA!!! and there are a lot of fighters in MMA now that can end a fight with one punch. plus the boxers are not getting hit with 8-12oz gloves they only 4oz. are they use to that? MMA'ers are!!!