Goodfella9783

I don't think that's necessarily true. On your average fight card for MMA there are 4 times as many fights than on a boxing card. I'd guess that the ratios are pretty similar.

Some MMA fights go to the ground and the fight plays out that way and in some boxing matches, the fights are pretty defensive in nature and less than 500 punches are thrown. Those types of things make the knockout ratios for each sport even out a little. But there are a lot of knockouts in MMA because the gloves are lighter/smaller and many stand up fighters have terrible defense and get caught with straight punches right on the button early on.

But in general, boxers are much more dangerous punchers than mixed martial artists, so if you give the boxer a pair of 4 oz gloves, it's gonna feel like they have only wraps on their hands and they're shadowboxing. They're used to throwing upwards of 1000 punches per fight with gloves 3 times heavier than those 4 oz gloves. Scary.

danny81

im not saying its better. but im saying its much harder to take down tyson throwing mad punches then awrestler. IMO. it all depends on teh guy

danny81

Corum im just mesisng with you a little bit. Obviously mma fighters would generaly beat a boxer in a fight. But you have to think about which fighters are fighting. Like take Tyson vs lidell. tyson would murder him. Tyson vs rampage. Tyson wins if he gets a good punch. ramapge wins if he can take him down. id give it 60-40 odds on rampage. A boxer could punch better then any mma fighter. but they cant fight on the ground. bas rutten cant hit as hard as ricky hatton they did a test on it. now ricky vs tyson power. tyson is much much much stronger. so if bas can knockout guys in one punch. tyson could do it even ezier. one good tyson hook ends a fight with any mma fighter. but if they can take him down its anotehr story.

CORUM

goodfello i see what your saying with the ratio and things like that. danny lets face it not everyone has old tysons power. and with him throwing mad punches you pt them hands up covering your head, brite down on that mouth piece, drop that chin and move in, grab with the under hooks and sweep the legs and to the ground you go. anyone that knows boxing knows even tyson cant throw nearly as hard of punches from his back. so i told you how to get the boxer to the ground, now he is on his back my question to you now is what is this ONLY boxer going to do?

danny81

hes going to lose. read my post above.i said that. no mma fighter is going to be able to block all tysons punches if tey wanted to win they would have to take the initiative and try and take tyson down immediatly. a stirker like lidell would get mirked. rampage would do much better. although if you took a boxer and gave him 6 months with a great wrestlig coach and taught him the sprawl he would be amazing. look how far lidell got with decent striking and a good shot block. imagine a great striker wit a good shotblock.

danny81

also remeber this. 140lb ricky hatton punches ahrder then 220lbs couoture and rutten
imagine 220 lbs tyson.

CORUM

lidell was a wrestler first! thats why he is good at takedown defense. and why do you keep talking about tyson!!! i really do not think anyone is worried about tyson now!! and yes 6 months at MMA he would be good. but that is not the argument the argument is BOXER. once he traines wrestling and BJJ he is no longer a BOXER. he is a MMA'er with a boxing base. BIG difference!!! and you do not have to block ALL of tysons punches just enough to grab him and make him uncomfortable. i think alot of you are underestimating the stand up skills of some of todays fighters. and MMA is about WELL ROUNDED, a boxer is not. key the phase "one dimensional"!!! great at boxing, and a boxer will have to adjust his strikes because there are more things to worry about. and when they make the necessary adjustments they will lose some of that power!!! alot of the boxers power comes from the forum and technic, which will have to change if they get in the octagon. you are not looking at the whole picture of where the power comes from and how. and when you take away the necessary form and and in the constant reminder that you can be taken down that plays a huge thing!!! i think if you took all those mental things away from an MMA'er and they only had to worry about one thing, and focus on boxing form you would be GREATLY suprised at them and their power. there are more mental aspects in MMA

CORUM

you said there was a study on the rutten and hatton power. post the link i never seen it. and couture is not a striker, he in roman greco wrestler!

danny81

Ur not seeming to understand that im giving the advantage to the mma fighter but like 60-40

danny81

actually hes a greco-roman wrestler. and ill post it in a minute.

CORUM

dis lecsic(sp)

danny81

BBC NEWS | England | Manchester | Boxer Hatton packs half-ton punch
i cant fid the bas one. but it was lower

danny81

oo my bad. sorry.

CORUM

not really dislecsic!! lol i get letters and words flipped around occosionally, guess since i met my wife because she use to be dislecsic. guess it rubbed off!!! lol

and that hatton article was and interesting read. i figured he would throw a little faster than 35 mph, but thats still fast as hell. i will look for the rutten one. but chuck hits WAY harder than rutten.

danny81

idk bro. rutten break someones liver or spleen idk whcih one with a palm punch.

CORUM

found it on a mma forum rutten 941 hatton 880

danny81

oo really? the vid i saw was lower. but w.e

CORUM

they had the video posted, but i couldnt view it. i will go on youtube and try to find it. i could only read the caption. but he does out weigh hatton by about 50 pounds. but they say hatton is one of the most powerful regardless of weight. so i dont know.

CORUM

cant find it!

danny81

lol neither could i.

Yanick

I personally think that not only does a boxer need to worry about takedowns, but kicks as well. Get some Muy Thai guy in there to beat a boxer's shin/thigh till he can't dance around anymore and work from there. Boxers keep their hands up high, kicks to the body/legs will have better reach than jabbing a guy out will. That will put a boxer out of his element big time.

"...we have to remember that training is a complicated dance of stimuli and response. Our goal is to understand how to manipulate the stimuli in order to evoke the responses we desire." -Nathan J. Polenchek

CORUM

good point yanick, i didnt even go into that. and a body kick will hurt way more than a body punch. hmmm good point!!

Goodfella9783

LOL god bless who ever tries to just cover up on a practically bare knuckled Mike Tyson. He punches right through that guard with ease, goes to the body or whatever and it's over in a heartbeat. I think it would be more practical for the MMA'er to just stay away and shoot on him ala Josh Koscheck. Some people forget how disgusting Mike Tyson's power really was:

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danny81

^^ thats what i said goodfella

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CORUM

ok shoot in which leaves the head open against tyson or cover??? which makes more sense? and i know tyson hits hard i will never take that from him, but lets be realist there are people out there that will take him down!! and yeah he may punch through a guard he may do alot of things, but i am saying IT CAN BE DONE!!!! obviously he is not the ultimate unbeatable guy, that slouch buster douglas whooped his ass!!! everyone thinks i forgot about his power, but you guys keep talking not he is unbeatable and that is not the case. douglas beat him at his own sport BOXING!!!! so you think a PRO MMA'er couldnt beat him an MMA???? thats rediculous!!!

CORUM

and kosch got schooled in wrestling by GSP so i would pick someone better. plus kosch isnt even in tysons weightclass since we were talking about weight class earlier.

danny81

were talkigna prime tyson. and were not saying hes unbeatable. im saying that tyson would havea 40% chance at beating any mma fighter.

CORUM

i will say he has a GREAT punchers chance, but to say he is going to walk over people is idiotic!!! and everyone thought tyson was prime and ready when he fought douglas. after that is when he went of the deep end!! he was in his prime everyone thought he was going to smash douglas but.......

i will say they both styles have a chance at either sport. they are both fighting athletes. i am just saying i think MMa has more to worry about in their respect sport than a boxer. so i do not think a boxer is going to come in and dominate, and i do not think a MMA guy would dominate in boxing.

danny81

an mma fighter would not be able to do well at boxing.

adn thats wat ive been saying te whole time. he has a great punchers cahnce whihc is about 40%