Belief in God a 'product of human weaknesses': Einstein letter

**Prince** · 05-14-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

and like gravity for those who are watching we can see the effects of God all around us. for those who take the time to understand

like what?

bio-chem · 05-14-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince

like what?

the miracles that happen every day are not coincidences

**Prince** · 05-14-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

the miracles that happen every day are not coincidences

ok, like what?

DaMayor · 05-14-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince

that's it, bio-chem has convinced me once and for all, I am headed off to church to accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savor, and thank him for dieing on the cross to absolve me of all my sins, it all makes perfect sense now...I shall be entering the kingdom of heaven for all eternity when I die to serve the lord! and next time I am at the Motel 6 I plan to steal a bible, that is ok as long as I repent next time I go to church isn't it?

Jesus doesn't like smart asses.

I think you missed the point he made. The same point I was going after, although most of you missed it entirely.

Nobody's trying to sell religion here. In fact, it seems that the only people getting their thong in a knot are those who are obviously anti-religion. Either way, I'm not concerned about it too much.

The bottom line is this.....everyone should be open minded enough to listen to the arguments of others. I don't get all of the defensive responses here....must have been a few knuckles busted by Sister Mary Katherine or something.

Witchblade · 05-14-2008, 07:35 PM

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bio-chem · 05-14-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince

ok, like what?

thats not how it works, and i'm sure you have had these conversations in previous threads that lead to the same result. I'm not here to convince you of anything. If you want to understand faith and God we both know it is not going to happen on a forum

**Prince** · 05-14-2008, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

thats not how it works, and i'm sure you have had these conversations in previous threads that lead to the same result. I'm not here to convince you of anything. If you want to understand faith and God we both know it is not going to happen on a forum

yes you're correct, but how again to religeous minded people explain the tragedies that happen and thousands of people, including innocent children, get killed in... ummm... let's say an earthquake in China?

DaMayor · 05-14-2008, 08:31 PM

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thats not how it works, and i'm sure you have had these conversations in previous threads that lead to the same result. I'm not here to convince you of anything. If you want to understand faith and God we both know it is not going to happen on a forum

It could happen anywhere. However, as with any sort of knowledge, he would have to first want to understand.....

Hey Prince, I once heard a man by the name of Josh McDowell speak at a youth conference. At the time, I had had my fill of B.S. religion, the bad reputation the crackpot evangelist types gave the average person, the mushy cult-like "feel" some organizations created, the corruption, the lies....I didn't want to be there. But he made some valid points that changed my views considerably.

No need to say more about him other than the fact that he was a hardcore agnostic, and was asked to participate to disprove the Bible, to act as the Devil's advocate per se for a Kellogg College study......

Do I question the legitimacy of the Bible? The interpretation? Sure do. Just because it is my nature to question. Is this a sin? Nah, I don't think so. I am a strong believer that God has given us a very functional (and oftentimes under-used) brain....and he expects us to use it.

I shouldn't be penalized for "Christians" who don't.

bio-chem · 05-14-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince

yes you're correct, but how again to religeous minded people explain the tragedies that happen and thousands of people, including innocent children, get killed in... ummm... let's say an earthquake in China?

Oh I don't know. crap, you got me, how did I not think of this before...............Oh wait. yea, something about without the bad you won't be able to recognize the good.

Hoglander · 05-14-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

the guy had it all wrong. and an argument could be made that he developed a fundamentally flawed system because of his lack of understanding of human nature.

Human nature says you will find the need to make up a god. There is nothing wrong with that. Humans have been doing so long before the god people made up for you came in to being.

You just need to relax and accept the fact you are human. Just because others don't believe in the afterlife you profess.... don't shove your "I'm scared I just die" shit down their throats.

You are no less or no greater than others. So shut the fuck up before I have Satan kill you and lock you up forever. Don't think I can't do that.

Hehehe

Hail Satan

: )

bio-chem · 05-14-2008, 09:34 PM

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Human nature says you will find the need to make up a god. There is nothing wrong with that. Humans have been doing so long before the god people made up for you came in to being.

You just need to relax and accept the fact you are human. Just because others don't believe in the afterlife you profess.... don't shove your "I'm scared I just die" shit down their throats.

You are no less or no greater than others. So shut the fuck up before I have Satan kill you and lock you up forever. Don't think I can't do that.

Hehehe

Hail Satan

: )

hey dumb fuck. try reading any of these posts you stupid cunt. no one is shoving anything down anyones throat. And i've not said or taken any moral superiority tone throughout this whole conversation. so before you start typing the normal rubish, bullshit. try pulling your head out of your ass.

and enough with the hail satan crap. the ignorance you display makes danny look like he is able go to college.

danny81 · 05-14-2008, 09:39 PM

ignore hoglander hes a moron. he started hating me becauase he said somethign retarded and i didnt understand it so he flipped out

**Prince** · 05-14-2008, 09:47 PM

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Oh I don't know. crap, you got me, how did I not think of this before...............Oh wait. yea, something about without the bad you won't be able to recognize the good.

that was pretty weak, I thought you would have a better come back.

Hoglander · 05-14-2008, 09:49 PM

Oh, I'm sorry 13th Apostle Bio-Chem. Please give my apologies to Peter, James, John, Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, the other James, Thaddeus, Simon and of course Judas.

Hail Satan

: )

fufu · 05-14-2008, 09:53 PM

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Have to prove it does first!

I think you can prove it's extremely ineffective, which is the same as not working.

Have 1000 people pray for something, if 1000 people do not get it then it is a failing process.

Definitely can examine the action and the result. The same way you can prove throwing a water balloon at a car does not create a nuclear explosion, cause and effect.

I wasn't arguing it worked, but it can't be proved it can't.

Too many intangible factors involved.

DOMS · 05-14-2008, 09:53 PM

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Oh, I'm sorry 13th Apostle Bio-Chem. Please give my apologies to Peter, James, John, Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, the other James, Thaddeus, Simon and of course Judas.

Hail Satan

: )

It's funny how many people atheists give shit to religious people for being "morally superior" while trying to come off as superior, and end up just being an ass.

So pathetic is so epic a fashion.

fufu · 05-14-2008, 09:57 PM

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so your saying the average man is a sheep, and unable to think for themselves. yet this is not a negative view of mankind?

Humans are very good at working together for survival through society. Many are able to think for themselves working for the further of their species, but in that process many are merely functions of society. There are different levels of conciousness and application of that conciousness. What I am saying is many people's conciousness are devoted to the continuation of life and society, but why? Well, it is biological, but past our own instintive actions what is there to a human?

I don't think it is a negative view, just the way I see it.

just realized i've been spelling consciousness wrong, oh well.

Hoglander · 05-14-2008, 10:10 PM

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It's funny how many people atheists give shit to religious people for being "morally superior" while trying to come off as superior, and end up just being an ass.

So pathetic is so epic a fashion.

Hey, I'm just a human.

Sorry that I'll never achieve your guys' level and mastery of the true comprehension of your lofty place in the universe. I'll always be under that. That's super groovy to me, BTW.

Hail Satan

: )

DOMS · 05-14-2008, 10:11 PM

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Hey, I'm just a human.

Sorry that I'll never achieve your guys' level and mastery of the true comprehension of your lofty place in the universe. I'll always be under that. That's super groovy to me, BTW.

Hail Satan

: )

What a great nothing post.

bio-chem · 05-14-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince

that was pretty weak, I thought you would have a better come back.

like i said before. im not trying to convince you of anything. rehashing stuff you have read on this forum is not high on my priority list.

Hoglander · 05-14-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by danny81

ignore hoglander hes a moron. he started hating me becauase he said somethign retarded and i didnt understand it so he flipped out

It's OK danny. I forgive you and wash it away.

Hoglander · 05-14-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DOMS

What a great nothing post.

Judge NOT less ye be judged

I've studied it for 20 years and know it front to back..... The Great Nothing

bio-chem · 05-14-2008, 10:18 PM

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