bio-chem

not for the purpose of convincing others to believe in God. Just to show that there are both sides

Prince

and there are people here that don't know this?

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Hoglander

That's twice you have denied me. You will do it again.

fufu

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bio-chem

dude, you're talking about halfway intelligent? You make forest gump look like a member of mensa

HialeahChico305

Monkey man sure is taking long to highjack this thread.

Prince

Forrest Gump believed in god.

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bio-chem

and this relates to..............

bio-chem

perhaps some of the sheep you believe in. or maybe i just like a good debate and sharing of ideas.

bio-chem

put down the crack pipe.

bio-chem

about the author "is a contributor to the anthology, "Neurotheology," an emergent new science of which he is considered one of its founders. He presently lives in Park Slope, Brooklyn with his cat, Sucio."

i find the entire premise of the book to be really just a joke.

Hoglander

Read the book or turn the other cheek.

Is knowledge(the book suggested) and the teaching of the Bible(turning of the cheek) lost on you?

DaMayor

Dude, if you don't believe in any of this...what's with the hail Satan stuff?

What a mental infant.

KelJu

Actually Fufu, it can be proven to work, and has been proven. New brain imaging technology has been used to show what the brain is doing when one prays or mediates. The results from the studies blew me away.

The writer of the book Emotional Intelligence, Daniel Goleman wrote another book called Destructive Emotions where he and other scientist studied Buddhist monks to figure out if they could show scientifically that meditation and pray could have any affect on the body. Scientist held meetings with the Dalai Lama to discuss bridging the gap between science and spirituality. What they figured out was that it changed the brain and how it functions.


Lol, I could type 20 pages on this, so I better stop myself now. Just check out the book sometime. It is the first time I have ever seen spirituality and science playing nice together. The Buddhist people are so emotionally intelligent that they can have a conversation about their faith in relation to science without getting offended and pissy when one doesn't agree with their stance.

So long story short, science is now doing some really cool research to prove the benefits of prayer. Some of the benefits are reduced anxiety, reduced stress, better mood, improved immune system, better mental alertness, and better memory.You'll have to check otu the book to see how it all works.


***Quick Note***
The difference between healthy prayer and bad prayer is this. Healthy prayer does not include dialog with your personal god. Healthy prayer is basically more like meditation where one might repeat a mantra or repeat a verse over and over. Its a practice of disconnecting from the world as you perceive it. Too many people pray like they are making a phone call to God. "God, please heal my crotch rash, and let me win the lottery." "God, please make mommy and daddy stop fighting, bla bla bla." This is very unhealthy. You put the blame for other people's behavior on the shoulder of an imaginary person. Then you feel let down when you don't get what you want.

DaMayor

I yanked this from another thread....

I agree, for the most part. I think that a lot of evil has come from the manipulation of power by religious "leaders".

Human nature is what corrupts religion...or spirituality, what ever you want to call it. This is why I can't follow attacks like HogDork's. Its pretty obvious that people will manipulate and reconfigure religion to custom fit their preferences or agenda(s), that's a given.

I think its pretty sad that both sides can't have a discussion about this without one side or the other reducing it to name calling and hate slinging....like a bunch of second graders.

IainDaniel

I am in the 3rd grade I will have you know.

Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it.

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bio-chem

always learning yet never coming to a knowlege of the truth. i would debate your description of that book as knowlege. If there is a God center in the human brain, the theory that it evolved as a coping mechanism for the realization of ones own existence is nothing more than a theory hardly worth of a high school book report.

KelJu

I was basically typing something along those lines when I decided not to. But since you did it, I'll jump right on in.

You can't have a reasonable discussion with people who believe they will spend eternity in total agony if they give one inch on their beliefs. It won't happen. My mother is a strict southern baptist. I love her more than any human on the entire planet. But even a love so strong between a mother and son can't handle that conversation. I tried once, and my mom broke down and cried because she thinks that if I don't accept Jesus as my personal savior that I will go to hell. She has scared to death that I am doomed. What can you do with that? Not a damn thing. Just keep avoiding it I guess.


The irony is that religion destroyed my faith, but science is helping me but it back together. The more of read about quantum physics, they more I see potential for power more advanced than us. The concept that a particles can change from a wave then back to a particle simply because I decided to observe it is fucking nuts. The concept that time only exist in my brain and that space can be manipulated is insane. There are lots of ideas expressed in quantum physics like entanglement which I have seen when I was tripping on shrooms. I have seen the grid that connects every particle on the planet. I didn't know what it was the, but when I came across it later in a movie about quantum mechanics, I was like "holy shit, I have seen that".

I owe much of this to Einstein. He saw though the bullshit, and saw the universe for how it really was. How can you deny that he was right about damn near every fucking thing he proposed. His ideas lead to rockets, space travel, nuclear energy. But, some will take his science as fact, but say he knew nothing of the universe? Bullshit. He knew everything of the universe. I'll take his ideas about faith, religion, and the universe as gospel.

dg806

I have had several people tell me stories about seeing angels. I never have......does that makes them non existent?

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bio-chem

kelju, i like you man. i really do. but saying einstein knew everything of the universe. c'mon man. lets back it up a bit.

DaMayor

Okay, almost everything.

DaMayor

Go to time out.

NeilPearson

But why do they have faith. I can understand wanting to believe in something but why Christianity above all the other religions? There must be something about peoples chosen religion that makes them think theirs is right... what could that be?