NeilPearson

... and how do I do that?

DaMayor

Tier

I was just trying to get you to answer one question for 3 pages, I do not claim superiority over anybody. I am of average intelligence.

I just wanted you to admit it was belief without reason/proof. Which to me is as good as saying "I am unreasonable".

Thanks for answering!

bio-chem

i didnt say it is without reason or proof. But evidence for me does not equal evidence for you. sharing the experiences I have had does little for someone elses faith unless they determine to go learn for themselves.

DaMayor

The answer to Neil P's question.

I see no end to this argument.

Its pretty simple, really. Life's all about choices. No one should be expected to defend their beliefs, nor should they be hassled for them.



*quietly eases back out of the debate*

natural^

this debate is getting

mathematical genius^.

lucifuge

I honestly cannot believe this thread is still alive.... it's somewhat amusing actually.

bio-chem

i'm so sorry. is this not entertaining enough for you? would you care to add something worth while to the conversation, or are you happy with posts consisting of small words and emoticons?

natural^

^

mathematical genius^.

bio-chem

nice. i like the humor.

natural^

someone has to do it. as to your previous gripe i don't contribute because i think it's pointless, and either way when it comes down to it everyone will basically still have the same beliefs as when the thread started.

mathematical genius^.

bio-chem

sure, and knowing this before hand, and knowing that it will bore you why complain? why even enter the thread if it isn't something that interests you?

natural^

Because i always look at threads with new posts even if its irrelevant to me and the back and forth between you and tier was interesting for like a day if that, then it got dull. My bad, i'm used to danny threads where the debates and disagreements get better (funny wise) with each post. But you're right this is not a danny thread so i'll be stepping out now, continue with your debate.

mathematical genius^.

Tier

hehe, the debate was over when the person with the creator assertion could provide no evidence. Overlooking the fact that one of the most intelligent people in human history who had understanding enough of the universe to hypothesize about things that exist before ever seeing them said he could see nothing that points there.

Religious "debates" are never debates.

If God is ever proven, he will become science.

bio-chem

care to prove evolution?

Tier

Care to show where I made that assertion?

DaMayor

No, really. Biochem has a great point here.

Why don't you quit with the bashing, which is all too easy for anyone, and put some proof on the table for your argument.

Disprove God. Disprove creationism or Prove evolution.

I'll wait.

Prince

I would rather admit that I cannot prove nor can I disprove the existence of god, nor can anyone else.

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bio-chem

so might as well just believe in nothing then? Because it is so much more fun to be destructive as opposed to constructive? If people didn't know what you were before this thread. they sure do now

Tier

I see no problem with no knowledge of higher powers.

You seem very preoccupied with what others think.

Tier

I also see no advantage of essentially making wild ass far fetched guesses about something as immense as the creation of everything.

Tier

Well on the surface it may seem good, but really it's the weakest argument possible.

There's a magic invisible flying ball that is completely undetectable, prove me wrong. It's impossible to do.

Stuff like that is exactly why you need to prove the existence with empirical evidence before asking people to disprove it.

NeilPearson

No that is not the answer to my question. I did that for years and it didn't work for me.

If a christian God exists, he did not create me with a capacity to accept and believe in Him.

DaMayor

I agree.

The comment was made simply because, as with EVERY SINGLE RELIGIOUS "DISCUSSION" I have ever been witness to (no pun intended) culminated into a dead end. Why? Because not one person could ever prove or disprove squat.

If one feels obligated to share one's beliefs....cool. Share them....just don't expect results. Other than respectfully hearing another person's views, nobody owes anybody anything.
I will, however, say this; Some Christians are too often offended by a lack of results, or conformity from others in respect to their beliefs. I think this is where some (not many, and not all) do more damage to and/or misrepresent the real purpose of Christianity. People refuse to be force fed anything. Good information, bad information, hate, rage, warm and fuzzy. No one likes it shoved in their face.

Hey Neil, sorry it didn't work out for ya, man. And I won't lie, I know exactly where you're coming from. In fact, I'm right smack dab in the middle of what you talked about right now.

Anyway, I believe what I believe. You (collectively) believe what you believe. I just think it is a total waste of time arguing over something that neither side has an answer to.

Selah.