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    Show us your papers!

    Will they put yellow stars on some? "Show us your papers!" This is the US right?

    By Allison Klein
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, June 5, 2008; A01

    D.C. Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier announced a military-style checkpoint yesterday to stop cars this weekend in a Northeast Washington neighborhood inundated by gun violence, saying it will help keep criminals out of the area.

    Starting on Saturday, officers will check drivers' identification and ask whether they have a "legitimate purpose" to be in the Trinidad area, such as going to a doctor or church or visiting friends or relatives. If not, the drivers will be turned away.

    The Neighborhood Safety Zone initiative is the latest crime-fighting attempt by Lanier and Mayor Adrian M. Fenty, who have been under pressure from residents to stop a recent surge in violence. Last weekend was especially bloody, with seven slayings, including three in the Trinidad area.

    "In certain areas, we need to go beyond the normal methods of policing," Fenty (D) said at a news conference announcing the action. "We're going to go into an area and completely shut it down to prevent shootings and the sale of drugs."

    The checkpoint will stop vehicles approaching the 1400 block of Montello Avenue NE, a section of the Trinidad neighborhood that has been plagued with homicides and other violence. Police will search cars if they suspect the presence of guns or drugs, and will arrest people who do not cooperate, under a charge of failure to obey a police officer, officials said.

    The enforcement will take place at random hours and last for at least five days in Trinidad, with the option of extending it five more days. Checkpoints could be set up in other neighborhoods if they are requested by patrol commanders and approved by Lanier.

    The strategy, patterned after a similar effort conducted years ago in New York, is not airtight. There are many ways to get in and out of Trinidad, not just on the one-way Montello Avenue. And pedestrians will not be stopped, which is something critics say might render the program ineffective.

    "I guess the plan is to hope criminals will not walk into neighborhoods," said D.C. Council member Phil Mendelson (D-At Large). "I also suppose the plan is to take the criminal's word for it when he or she gives the police a reason for driving into a neighborhood."

    Since taking over as chief in December 2006, Lanier has struggled with the issue of violent crime. She has added patrols, revived a unit specializing in getting guns off the streets and changed commanders in six of the city's seven patrol districts. Last weekend, officers were close enough in one case that they heard the barrage of gunfire coming from a triple homicide on Holbrook Street in Trinidad.

    The program is aimed at the city's most troubled areas. The 5th Police District, which includes Trinidad, has had 22 killings this year, one more than all of last year. Since April 1, the Trinidad neighborhood has had seven homicides, 16 robberies and 20 assaults with dangerous weapons, according to police data. In many cases in Trinidad and across the city, gunshots are fired from passing cars, victims are found in cars or cars are used to make fast getaways.

    "We have to try to take away the things that are facilitating the ability to commit crime," Lanier said.

    Leaders of the American Civil Liberties Union said yesterday that they will be watching what happens closely and that legal action is likely.

    "My reaction is, welcome to Baghdad, D.C.," said Arthur Spitzer, legal director for the ACLU's Washington office. "I mean, this is craziness. In this country, you don't have to show identification or explain to the police why you want to travel down a public street."

    Interim Attorney General Peter J. Nickles said that his office reviewed the initiative and that similar efforts had survived court tests.

    "I don't anticipate us being sued," Nickles said. "But if you do want to sue us, the courts are open."

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    I would recommend some much more severe measures for that shithole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splash Log View Post
    I would recommend some much more severe measures for that shithole.
    What, tanks on every corner?

    First, they need to stop ignoring the Const. Rights of their citizens to defend themselves, which may change to some degree shortly depending on how SCOTUS rules on that last case

    Two, have strong police coverage all the time, walking the beats, etc, vs BS PR moves like this which will have no effects on crime long term, while treating citizens like criminals with "show us your papers."

    Make criminals actually serve out their full jail terms

    Increase the jail terms for repeat violent offenders, reduce jail terms for non violent offenses that currently clog our prisons and court systems

    That would be a start to actually making real long term changes in crime rates. You don't have to crap on citizens Const. Rights to reduce crime rates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    What, tanks on every corner?

    First, they need to stop ignoring the Const. Rights of their citizens to defend themselves, which may change to some degree shortly depending on how SCOTUS rules on that last case

    Two, have strong police coverage all the time, walking the beats, etc, vs BS PR moves like this which will have no effects on crime long term, while treating citizens like criminals with "show us your papers."

    Make criminals actually serve out their full jail terms

    Increase the jail terms for repeat violent offenders, reduce jail terms for non violent offenses that currently clog our prisons and court systems

    That would be a start to actually making real long term changes in crime rates. You don't have to crap on citizens Const. Rights to reduce crime rates.
    The people that live their don't deserve to be considered citizens. If it was my or your neighborhood I would agree with you, but I am familiar with that place and they could set off a tactical nuke there and I could care less.

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    Things like this will continue to happen, and get worse and worse when the public just sticks their head in the sand and accepts it.

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    I live in the DC area and I haven't seen this happing?

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    Wow, this has trouble with a capital T written all over it. If this was imposed, I can see lawsuits everywhere.






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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    In this country, you don't have to show identification or explain to the police why you want to travel down a public street."
    I'm sure they can find loopholes. They can call it a liscense check. Then they have to produce ID. Then a charge of obstruct/resist/delay can come into play.






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