Thread: I say we bring back torture as a capital punishment

make him look like hes 8 years old and stick him in a room with micheal jackson

Originally Posted by Rubes

make him look like hes 80 years old and stick him in a room with albob

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i wouldnt wish that on anyone

Did anyone laugh when they read what this gang member did to this woman? Not the reality of it is funny, but if I heard someone wishing that on another person, Id piss myself laughing.

Originally Posted by Rubes

i wouldnt wish that on anyone

Whoops! Shouldve replied a tad faster.

well maybe being quick isnt what your good at

He should be charged under our hate crime laws, but they only go one way.

They should put him in a room with several devices hooked up to an internet poll interface where people can choose his torture and it's intensity just like Untraceable

Agree. If there is conclusive proof that the suspect is guilty, then yes. Torture them to death Spanish Inquisition style, the more painful and twisted, the better.

Also, people that torture annimals to death get the same treatment they dish out. Regardless of age.

Originally Posted by Splash Log

He should be charged under our hate crime laws, but they only go one way.

No shit. Has anyone other than a white man been convicted of a hate crime?

Originally Posted by DOMS

No shit. Has anyone other than a white man been convicted of a hate crime?

I would think not. We all know that whites are the most hateful.

Originally Posted by DOMS

No shit. Has anyone other than a white man been convicted of a hate crime?

I am in complete support of the Matthew Shepard act, but I think it needs to be ammended to protect everybody equally.

The only reason it tends to be specific about gays is probably because we have really had to fight for this kind of protection for at least the last 10-15 years. We've had to wittness the loss of many lives including Matthew Shepard and the idea is that this type of legislation may discourage that from happening to any other gay people. Black people have the Civil Rights legislation, I believe women get protection under it as well, gays have hate crime legislation. And while it might be unfair to straight white males, I think it is necessary to keep some of it specific to gay people - not everybody is ever going to face the same social problems that I am so I'd like some help from the government (and yes I know how to defend myself regardless of whether or not the government does anything for me, I'm not a weakling).

I plan to do something to honor Matthew on October 12th, this year is the 10 year anniversary of his death. I guess I'll do a day of silence and maybe wear a red shirt or pink triangle, something to show support.

Originally Posted by tallcall

I am in complete support of the Matthew Shepard act, but I think it needs to be ammended to protect everybody equally.

The only reason it tends to be specific about gays is probably because we have really had to fight for this kind of protection for at least the last 10-15 years. We've had to wittness the loss of many lives including Matthew Shepard and the idea is that this type of legislation may discourage that from happening to any other gay people. Black people have the Civil Rights legislation, I believe women get protection under it as well, gays have hate crime legislation. And while it might be unfair to straight white males, I think it is necessary to keep some of it specific to gay people - not everybody is ever going to face the same social problems that I am so I'd like some help from the government (and yes I know how to defend myself regardless of whether or not the government does anything for me, I'm not a weakling).

Sorry TC, you know I like the gay and all, but that law is shit. So, if I beat up a gay or black guy, and I only did it because I was bored and there was nothing on teevee, I should get a lesser sentence than if I didn't like his skin color or sexual persuasion? Bullshit.

Originally Posted by tallcall

I plan to do something to honor Matthew on October 12th, this year is the 10 year anniversary of his death. I guess I'll do a day of silence and maybe wear a red shirt or pink triangle, something to show support.

Wow, that's a bit weird. My birthday is October 12th.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Sorry TC, you know I like the gay and all, but that law is shit. So, if I beat up a gay or black guy, and I only did it because I was bored and there was nothing on teevee, I should get a lesser sentence than if I didn't like his skin color or sexual persuasion? Bullshit.

I agree with you. I just think sometimes these things have to happen to make people think twice about doing beating people up just because of their skin color or sexual orientation. Some people think it's perfectly ok to do that. But I agree that in the end everyone must be protected against acts of hatred and brutality.

Human history is very hard to ignore in situations like this (might not make any sense but I'm tired and bored and think it makes perfect sense).

My idea for a T-Shirt - All black with a large pink triangle on both sides, on the back it says "In Memory of Matthew Shepard - 12/01/1976-10-12-1998," Plain and simple. What do you think? Maybe I'll make it a rainbow triangle, but those details can be determined later.

we can't legislate against the way a man thinks. it's not american. the guy has a constitutional right to be racist if he wants. but murder is murder and assault is assault. crime should be punished on an individual basis in a court of law and passing stiffer laws for "hate crimes" is a joke.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

we can't legislate against the way a man thinks. it's not american. the guy has a constitutional right to be racist if he wants. but murder is murder and assault is assault. crime should be punished on an individual basis in a court of law and passing stiffer laws for "hate crimes" is a joke.

I will agree with you on that one, I said before that I think everyone needs to be included in this kind of legislation, and I don't believe for a second that I'm the only gay person to think that. Everyone does have a constitutional right to be a racist as long as they aren't violating another person's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (whatever that is) as mentioned in the Declaration of Independence (I'm sure they are all protected in the constitution as well).

I still think that sometimes people need a different kind of slap in the face. There's no way the men who drew up the constitution could have seen anything like this coming and I think trying to persuade people to be a little less hateful (at least on the outside) is a good idea. We can't always rely on people to do this themselves. It may have been another hundred years before the south would have allowed a black man to vote if it was left up to the people at that time - not saying I completely agree with how LBJ handled everything, but I give him props for the Civil Rights legislation.

Personally, id have no problem with somebody torturing these people to a gory death, but i dont think thats what a justice system should be about.

The law doesnt exist to execute revenge, that sort of punishment leads down a bad road where the supposedly morally superior law enforcement/government is no better in actions than the criminals it punishes.

Personally, i would think just putting them in prison would do the trick. For the most part even criminals convicted of murder are against killing children, paedophillia, and stuff like that. Put a child rapist in a situation where they are living with thousends of violent criminals who despise them, and they'll get whats coming to them.

Its not like the prison guards are gonna care - these people fuck kids so let them die and disappear.

Saying that, i do fucking hate the fact that most prisons in the UK are like luxury holiday villas. They have TVs, free meals, a gym, a swimming pool, sports equipment, pool tables, en-suite toilets...ridiculous. How the fuck is that punishment?

You don't torture a rabid animal, you put it down. Torture isn't necessary in my opinion. Simply kill him quickly and inexpensively.

Originally Posted by KelJu

You don't torture a rabid animal, you put it down. Torture isn't necessary in my opinion. Simply kill him quickly and inexpensively.

I think that in usual circumstances that the offender should be put down in the same way he killed his victim.

Originally Posted by Gazhole

The law doesnt exist to execute revenge, that sort of punishment leads down a bad road where the supposedly morally superior law enforcement/government is no better in actions than the criminals it punishes.

I disagree on several counts.

First, retribution is a recognized component of punishment in the "social contract."

Second, the GOAL of punishment aside from retribution is deterrence. We want to deter sickos for our own safety. It has become clear to me and many others that there is a large segment of our population for whom incarceration, even life in prison, is not a deterrence. I saw an MTV documentary on Tupac, and he was talking about how he was proud of his first incarceration, like it was a badge of honor.

The death penalty is a joke because plenty of states don't have it, and there are no per se rules. Its all wishy-washy, every murdering child torture rapist gets to plead his case and ask for leniency. Even when you do get a death sentence, then you have 30 appeals funded by the ACLU on the ground that there weren't enough people of X race on the jury.

A serious revision is necessary, IMO. The easiest and most straightforward way is PER SE rules. You do X, then Y is your punishment.

Here are my per se rules:
If you are convicted of two seperate murders, death penalty per se.

If you are convicted of two seperate armed forcible felonies, life in prison per se.

If you are convicted based on conclusive DNA evidence of forcible rape of a child younger than 10, or a torture crime, you get a slow painful death.

Just kill them and don't waste any money or time. I would have serious concerns about the mental well-being of the people in charge of doing these awful things to the convicted person.

So where are we going to find mentally healthy people who would be willing to torture criminals for a living? The only thing I could think of is to have another criminal do it. And then that is sick and fucked up, because you have someone being tortured, and the you have the state paying some other sick fuck to do it and probabaly enjoy it.

Originally Posted by tallcall

I agree with you. I just think sometimes these things have to happen to make people think twice about doing beating people up just because of their skin color or sexual orientation. Some people think it's perfectly ok to do that. But I agree that in the end everyone must be protected against acts of hatred and brutality.

Human history is very hard to ignore in situations like this (might not make any sense but I'm tired and bored and think it makes perfect sense).

My idea for a T-Shirt - All black with a large pink triangle on both sides, on the back it says "In Memory of Matthew Shepard - 12/01/1976-10-12-1998," Plain and simple. What do you think? Maybe I'll make it a rainbow triangle, but those details can be determined later.

I know it's off the topic, but here are some pictures of what Im designing -

Front:



Back:



I just want to keep things plain and simple with a message. What do you all think?

I don't like the pink, but its a nice sentiment.

I'll second that. Pink and rainbow is overused. Maybe you should try your own style?

Originally Posted by clemson357

I don't like the pink, but its a nice sentiment.

The pink is essential for this, but I am trying to get the triangle on the front to be rainbow colored.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I'll second that. Pink and rainbow is overused. Maybe you should try your own style?

It's my first time doing something to support this community like this so I kind of wanted to keep things more traditional without being too showy.

We've gone from child rapists and torturers to gay pride in less than one page - I've totally hijacked this thread!

Originally Posted by KelJu

Just kill them and don't waste any money or time. I would have serious concerns about the mental well-being of the people in charge of doing these awful things to the convicted person.

So where are we going to find mentally healthy people who would be willing to torture criminals for a living? The only thing I could think of is to have another criminal do it. And then that is sick and fucked up, because you have someone being tortured, and the you have the state paying some other sick fuck to do it and probabaly enjoy it.

Agreed.