Let me get this straight?

**Prince** · 06-30-2008, 10:52 AM

could anyone really do a worse job than Bush has done, seriously?

Big Smoothy · 06-30-2008, 11:15 AM

dg806,

Thanks for giving your opinion on page one. You responded.

^ Can someone be worse than GWB?

Honestly, it's hard to do. A large percentage of GOPers don't like him.

And GWB cannot be defined and classified under current political labels.

He is, what he is.

Elected not once, but twice: Americans get what they deserve.

**dg806** · 06-30-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

snopes.com: Who Is Barack Obama?

What I see is true

**dg806** · 06-30-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince

could anyone really do a worse job than Bush has done, seriously?

Jimmy Carter

**dg806** · 06-30-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

dg806,

Thanks for giving your opinion on page one. You responded.

^ Can someone be worse than GWB?

Honestly, it's hard to do. A large percentage of GOPers don't like him.

And GWB cannot be defined and classified under current political labels.

He is, what he is.

Elected not once, but twice: Americans get what they deserve.

Fred Thompson was my pick

**Prince** · 06-30-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dg806

Jimmy Carter

care to elaborate? I was pretty young when he was in office.

DOMS · 06-30-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

not to stick my head in the mouth of a lion, but gore really had no legal footing when contesting florida. it turned out the way it was supposed to legally. it seems like people want to re-write history.

It's not so much about rewriting history, it's about bitching because they didn't win.

**dg806** · 06-30-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince

care to elaborate? I was pretty young when he was in office.

He cut military spending and funding by 6 billion(2003 dollars), cancelled the B1 bomber, crippled our fleet and our military was at the lowest response time in history. He removed missles from South Korea, Interest rates were sky high, (interest rates stood at 21 percent, inflation at 13.5 percent, unemployment at 7 percent) you had to wait in line for gas during the gas crisis. He surrended the Panama Canal. And the infamous Iran hostage situation in which Carter ultimately agreed to pay a ransom of $8 billion (of which, Iran netted $3 billion), although Ronald Reaganâ€™s toughness and resolution was the decisive factor in ending the crisis (and he tries to tell GWB how to deal with Iran

maniclion · 06-30-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dg806

He cut military spending and funding by 6 billion(2003 dollars), cancelled the B1 bomber, crippled our fleet and our military was at the lowest response time in history. He removed missles from South Korea, Interest rates were sky high, (interest rates stood at 21 percent, inflation at 13.5 percent, unemployment at 7 percent) you had to wait in line for gas during the gas crisis. He surrended the Panama Canal. And the infamous Iran hostage situation in which Carter ultimately agreed to pay a ransom of $8 billion (of which, Iran netted $3 billion), although Ronald Reaganâ€™s toughness and resolution was the decisive factor in ending the crisis (and he tries to tell GWB how to deal with Iran

Sorry to say but Carter was dealing with a shithole left to him by Nixon and Ford, can you prove that the Changes in the 1980's weren't directly caused by his actions in the 70's I really don't see Reagan being about to conjure Magic in the short time we rebounded.....4 year's isn't enough time to tell who made what changes...

Now with Bush we have seen the decline because he's been here for 8 years.....

maniclion · 06-30-2008, 01:13 PM

This Obama is a radical muslim shit is as fucking silly as McCain is a loony brainwashed ex-POW who will turn into the Manchurian Candidate.....

"Many brainwashing victims become fractured personalities programmed to
perform some task or tasks in the future. Their programming can be activated
by audio, visual, or other types of stimulation. These are facts not
conjecture. Anyone can confirm these facts with a little research.

Remember, what is known about torture and brainwashing is old information,
and it is terrifying. I have no access to what is still kept secret. I have
no knowledge of what can be done to a victim using the state of the art
techniques which are held in the strictest secrecy by all nations.

I doubt that Senator McCain knows the extent of the damage done to his
mind... and according to all the studies and facts available concerning
torture and brainwashing he could not have anything other than a damaged
mind. The movie may have been fiction... but Senator John McCain is without
any doubt the real Manchurian Candidate.

When I look at his voting record in the United States Senate I do not see a
conservative Republican. I see a record that reveals a closet socialist, a
proponent of the New World Order.

Love him if you must, honor him if you can, respect him in his office, but
don't ever vote for him again. It was a mistake to put him in the Senate. It
would be a much bigger mistake to put a man who has been tortured and
brainwashed for over 5 years in the White House.'

So we find ourselves in a dilemma, do we vote for a Radical Muslim who
will do the bidding of our current nemesis' in the Arab nations or do we
vote for the commie programmed robot of our Arch Nemesis' the
Communists? I love this years elections it's so much more colorful
and I'm not referring to the extra dose of melanin.....

bio-chem · 06-30-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by maniclion

Sorry to say but Carter was dealing with a shithole left to him by Nixon and Ford, can you prove that the Changes in the 1980's weren't directly caused by his actions in the 70's I really don't see Reagan being about to conjure Magic in the short time we rebounded.....4 year's isn't enough time to tell who made what changes...

Now with Bush we have seen the decline because he's been here for 8 years.....

what would our oil consumption needs be like if carter had not been so anti-nuclear power?

SYN · 06-30-2008, 01:33 PM

I'm rooting for Obama. McCain probably has a lot of good ideas about shit and I'm sure he's said plenty of things that would convince a lot of people that he's a good choice, but I just don't trust the guy. He seems like every other greedy ass politician.

I think all the shit slinging at Obama by everybody is just a bunch a bullshit from people that can't handle the idea of a black man in power. But I hope he wins. He seems trustworthy, and I have confidence that he will do great things for this country.

bio-chem · 06-30-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SYN

I'm rooting for Obama. McCain probably has a lot of good ideas about shit and I'm sure he's said plenty of things that would convince a lot of people that he's a good choice, but I just don't trust the guy. He seems like every other greedy ass politician.

I think all the shit slinging at Obama by everybody is just a bunch a bullshit from people that can't handle the idea of a black man in power. But I hope he wins. He seems trustworthy, and I have confidence that he will do great things for this country.

and what do you base this second part on? what i mean is upon what grounds are your perceptions coming from?

SYN · 06-30-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

what would our oil consumption needs be like if carter had not been so anti-nuclear power?

Do you know that plastic is made out of oil? Here we are running out of the stuff, but every day some stupid kid gets a toy made out of our precious resource. We're sitting here worrying about alternative fuel and shit like that while we waste it away on shit that nobody needs.

bio-chem · 06-30-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SYN

Do you know that plastic is made out of oil? Here we are running out of the stuff, but every day some stupid kid gets a toy made out of our precious resource. We're sitting here worrying about alternative fuel and shit like that while we waste it away on shit that nobody needs.

i know a little bit about hydro-carbons. did you know that in WW2 the germans developed a process to make gasoline out of candle wax? That isn't the issue. It is a very complicated issue, and we are not going to fix it by melting down barbie dolls.

**dg806** · 06-30-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by maniclion

Sorry to say but Carter was dealing with a shithole left to him by Nixon and Ford, can you prove that the Changes in the 1980's weren't directly caused by his actions in the 70's I really don't see Reagan being about to conjure Magic in the short time we rebounded.....4 year's isn't enough time to tell who made what changes...

Now with Bush we have seen the decline because he's been here for 8 years.....

Reagan was in 8 yrs also

bio-chem · 06-30-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dg806

Reagan was in 8 yrs also

i agree. i think manic needs to explain his post a little more clearly

DaMayor · 06-30-2008, 02:20 PM

Why all of the hullabaloo about records, performance and campaign promises?

Slim pickin's, boys. Slim political pickin's.

I wish we could start this whole thing over.

min0 lee · 06-30-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince

I do think it's funny when "middle class" people think that a republican is going to help them, that is a joke, the only people that should be concerned about a Rep. president being in office are the rich.

bio-chem · 06-30-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

so then only the rich should vote?

DaMayor · 06-30-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

so then only the rich should vote?

Does it really matter at this point?

DOMS · 06-30-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SYN

I think all the shit slinging at Obama by everybody is just a bunch a bullshit from people that can't handle the idea of a black man in power. But I hope he wins. He seems trustworthy, and I have confidence that he will do great things for this country.

The above statement is 100% pure USDA bullshit.

I was going to vote for Obama based on what he'd said. Then I looked closely at what he was actually doing, what his voting record in the Senate was, and his stance on issue key to me. Then I said no.

But thanks a shitload for playing the race card.

"Every confidence"? Do you even know his stance on anything? Or do you simply like him because he speaks well?

bio-chem · 06-30-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaMayor

Does it really matter at this point?

it's that apathy that has led us to where we are. if the moderates got out and voted not just in the generals, but in the primaries as well. Then we would not see presidential elections where we are basing our decisions on who won't be worst for out country, but who will be best. Bush only won the second election because Kerry sucked so bad. the parties are controlled by the special interest groups because we let them be controlled by the special interest groups.

min0 lee · 06-30-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

so then only the rich should vote?

Only the rich should vote for this group Republicans? Hell yeah, if I was rich it would be in my best interest to keep these crooks in office.

What we need is a good man to get us out of this rut.
McCain is not the answer, Obama sounds good but what happens when he's in office. Ron Paul is probably dead...what happened to him?

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06-30-2008, 11:15 AM	#32
Big Smoothy Windy City Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,690	dg806, Thanks for giving your opinion on page one. You responded. ^ Can someone be worse than GWB? Honestly, it's hard to do. A large percentage of GOPers don't like him. And GWB cannot be defined and classified under current political labels. He is, what he is. Elected not once, but twice: Americans get what they deserve.

06-30-2008, 01:13 PM	#40
maniclion Catalyst Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hawaii, selling munitions for the war on EcoTerror Posts: 17,652 Photos: 10	This Obama is a radical muslim shit is as fucking silly as McCain is a loony brainwashed ex-POW who will turn into the Manchurian Candidate..... "Many brainwashing victims become fractured personalities programmed to perform some task or tasks in the future. Their programming can be activated by audio, visual, or other types of stimulation. These are facts not conjecture. Anyone can confirm these facts with a little research. Remember, what is known about torture and brainwashing is old information, and it is terrifying. I have no access to what is still kept secret. I have no knowledge of what can be done to a victim using the state of the art techniques which are held in the strictest secrecy by all nations. I doubt that Senator McCain knows the extent of the damage done to his mind... and according to all the studies and facts available concerning torture and brainwashing he could not have anything other than a damaged mind. The movie may have been fiction... but Senator John McCain is without any doubt the real Manchurian Candidate. When I look at his voting record in the United States Senate I do not see a conservative Republican. I see a record that reveals a closet socialist, a proponent of the New World Order. Love him if you must, honor him if you can, respect him in his office, but don't ever vote for him again. It was a mistake to put him in the Senate. It would be a much bigger mistake to put a man who has been tortured and brainwashed for over 5 years in the White House.' So we find ourselves in a dilemma, do we vote for a Radical Muslim who will do the bidding of our current nemesis' in the Arab nations or do we vote for the commie programmed robot of our Arch Nemesis' the Communists? I love this years elections it's so much more colorful and I'm not referring to the extra dose of melanin.....

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DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Here. Posts: 5,976	Why all of the hullabaloo about records, performance and campaign promises? Slim pickin's, boys. Slim political pickin's. I wish we could start this whole thing over.