I was in the elevator today, and I was thinking...

clemson357 · 07-11-2008, 05:21 PM

I was on the elevator this morning. I'd been at work since about 7 in the morning, it was about 10 o'clock. I was on my way up to the 8th floor, and the elevator stopped at 2. This obese man shuffled onto the elevator under great effort. He was holding a bag full of food from McFatburger, grease was literally oozing through the brown paper bag. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day, after all. He had a Jumbo size cup full of soda with extra glucose, which he was sucking it down as if it were the end of the world. He smelled like an ash tray, undoubtedly he was just getting to work but he must have smoked at least 5 cigarettes already. Apparently the brown bag full of nutritious treats wouldn't be his first meal, because he had a food stain on his untucked and wrinkled shirt. He hit the botton for the third floor, after all he might break a sweat if he had to walk up a single flieght of stairs. You wouldn't notice if he had broken a sweat however, because he neglected to take a shower that morning. You could smell the body odor above the stench of ash tray and fat soaked bacon breakfast.

This got me thinking. I can't wait until the government subsidizes health care. I'd really jump at the opportunity to pay for this guys dermatology appointment, but I didn't know how to bring it up to him. It is much more efficient if the government just takes my money before it ever gets to my bank account, wastes a third of it on administrative costs, and then uses it for the preventative health care of people I don't know or care about. Hope and Change in 2009!!!

Stewart20 · 07-11-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by clemson357

I was on the elevator this morning. I'd been at work since about 7 in the morning, it was about 10 o'clock. I was on my way up to the 8th floor, and the elevator stopped at 2. This obese man shuffled onto the elevator under great effort. He was holding a bag full of food from McFatburger, grease was literally oozing through the brown paper bag. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day, after all. He had a Jumbo size cup full of soda with extra glucose, which he was sucking it down as if it were the end of the world. He smelled like an ash tray, undoubtedly he was just getting to work but he must have smoked at least 5 cigarettes already. Apparently the brown bag full of nutritious treats wouldn't be his first meal, because he had a food stain on his untucked and wrinkled shirt. He hit the botton for the third floor, after all he might break a sweat if he had to walk up a single flieght of stairs. You wouldn't notice if he had broken a sweat however, because he neglected to take a shower that morning. You could smell the body odor above the stench of ash tray and fat soaked bacon breakfast.

This got me thinking. I can't wait until the government subsidizes health care. I'd really jump at the opportunity to pay for this guys dermatology appointment, but I didn't know how to bring it up to him. It is much more efficient if the government just takes my money before it ever gets to my bank account, wastes a third of it on administrative costs, and then uses it for the preventative health care of people I don't know or care about. Hope and Change in 2009!!!

nice post

Witchblade · 07-11-2008, 06:12 PM

Witchblade approves.

Little Wing · 07-11-2008, 06:16 PM

+1.

i say legalize pot, tax the shit out of it and fund health care with that.

clemson357 · 07-11-2008, 06:27 PM

I say pay for your own fucking health care.

I really don't think it is any kind of injustice or problem that certain people don't receive what they can't afford to pay for.

Little Wing · 07-11-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by clemson357

I say pay for your own fucking health care.

I really don't think it is any kind of injustice or problem that certain people don't receive what they can't afford to pay for.

i agree somewhat but there are sometimes circumstances beyond a persons control when they cannot pay that have nothing to do with a persons willingness to work.

clemson357 · 07-11-2008, 09:22 PM

That is the exception, not the rule. Sorry.

DaMayor · 07-11-2008, 09:25 PM

Thoughts of the fat man....."Wow, I'm stuck on the elevator with a pompous asshole....The car ride over with that damn smoke stack cabby was terrible! I wish I could deliver this nasty food to my boss and go home, where I could get a nice salad, do some cardio, and try to improve my health."

Judge not. Lest Ye shall be judged, councelor.

Little Wing · 07-11-2008, 09:28 PM

**nni** · 07-11-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaMayor

Thoughts of the fat man....."Wow, I'm stuck on the elevator with a pompous asshole....The car ride over with that damn smoke stack cabby was terrible! I wish I could deliver this nasty food to my boss and go home, where I could get a nice salad, do some cardio, and try to improve my health."

Judge not. Lest Ye shall be judged, councelor.

if we stopped judging each other, it would be downright unamerican.

Little Wing · 07-11-2008, 09:35 PM

i see his point tho it is insane that people can willfully do things like smoke and eat crisco then expect others to sacrifice for their care later down the road.

DaMayor · 07-11-2008, 09:45 PM

I do not eat Crisco.

KelJu · 07-12-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by nni

if we stopped judging each other, it would be downright unamerican.

I would be unhuman.

The Monkey Man · 07-12-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by clemson357

I say pay for your own fucking health care.

I really don't think it is any kind of injustice or problem that certain people don't receive what they can't afford to pay for.

True... Po' folks just get free health care anyway.

I say tax and regulate the insurance companies by making them compete for our business.

danzik17 · 07-12-2008, 02:15 PM

Besides, if we could bring the cost of medical care down by re-privatizing it (get the government the hell out of "regulating" it) then many more doctors would be willing to do pro-bono work because it wouldn't cost them 2000$ to treat a freaking cold or something. That's how it used to be decades ago at least, before the current HMO system that made prices skyrocket.

Hoglander · 07-12-2008, 06:50 PM

This year in a trip to Canada I noticed a couple things. There weren't gyms(fight or workout) all over the place like in the US, AND I didn't see any really fat people. This was in Vancouver, BTW.

Thoughts???

clemson357 · 07-12-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoglander

This year in a trip to Canada I noticed a couple things. There weren't gyms(fight or workout) all over the place like in the US, AND I didn't see any really fat people. This was in Vancouver, BTW.

Thoughts???

People are too scared to go to the gym because they know if they get hurt it will be 8 months before they can see a doctor.

YSK · 07-12-2008, 08:12 PM

^so im guessing you've never actually been admitted into a hospital in BC...

Anyways I think people in Vancouver and surrounding areas live very active lifestyles, I live 45 minutes away and even where live, you get the daily joggers, walkers, bikers etc.

fufu · 07-12-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KelJu

I would be unhuman.

excatly, I don't understand all this bullshit about not judging one another. Since when is that bad? It is fundamental human nature. You don't meet someone and then the next time you see them have have no recollection of who they are of what they are capable of.

So people may judge someone else and it turns out not to be true, so what. People need to make decisions based on things they may not totally understand.

Now irrational prejudgice is another thing.

danzik17 · 07-12-2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by fufu

Now irrational prejudgice is another thing.

Not necessarily. Prejudice is just a function of how you were brought up to be. You're prejudiced against bees because they hurt you, right?

You might say they're two different things, but they're really not. The ability to pre-judge something is a survival instinct, it's not something you can just stop doing. If you see a bear do you hang around to see if its cuddly? No, you judge it to be dangerous and get the hell out of there.

KentDog · 07-12-2008, 08:44 PM

I wish I had gotten three double cheeseburgers instead of just two. I'm still hungry.

Hoglander · 07-12-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by danzik17

Not necessarily. Prejudice is just a function of how you were brought up to be. You're prejudiced against bees because they hurt you, right?

You might say they're two different things, but they're really not. The ability to pre-judge something is a survival instinct, it's not something you can just stop doing. If you see a bear do you hang around to see if its cuddly? No, you judge it to be dangerous and get the hell out of there.

What if you judge a critter or a people to be none scary... almost pussy like. That's OK then?? That's a survival thing? Because I'm not sure about Canadians and the French. Like maybe the cavemen in us should to get rid of them and take their resources???

danzik17 · 07-12-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoglander

What if you judge a critter or a people to be none scary... almost pussy like. That's OK then?? That's a survival thing? Because I'm not sure about Canadians and the French. Like maybe the cavemen in us should to get rid of them and take their resources???

Huh?

Hoglander · 07-12-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by danzik17

Huh?

No not "Huh." "Honey" from bees, they are not scary, we can take their honey!!! That's what we do. We took land, wifes, slaves and resources it's natural. Why so puzzled?

Crono1000 · 07-12-2008, 09:49 PM

fhfat

danzik17 · 07-12-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoglander

No not "Huh." "Honey" from bees, they are not scary, we can take their honey!!! That's what we do. We took land, wifes, slaves and resources it's natural. Why so puzzled?

I'm still not seeing what you're arguing. So you judged something to be weaker than you and sought to took its resources for your own survival/gain. It's still the same thing and happens in nature all the time. Humans are no exception to the rule.

07-11-2008, 05:21 PM	#1
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DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Here. Posts: 5,996	Thoughts of the fat man....."Wow, I'm stuck on the elevator with a pompous asshole....The car ride over with that damn smoke stack cabby was terrible! I wish I could deliver this nasty food to my boss and go home, where I could get a nice salad, do some cardio, and try to improve my health." Judge not. Lest Ye shall be judged, councelor.

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Little Wing SEMPER~FIDELIS Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: United States Posts: 21,052 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 191	i see his point tho it is insane that people can willfully do things like smoke and eat crisco then expect others to sacrifice for their care later down the road.

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Hoglander Cleaner Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Washington Posts: 1,114 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 10	This year in a trip to Canada I noticed a couple things. There weren't gyms(fight or workout) all over the place like in the US, AND I didn't see any really fat people. This was in Vancouver, BTW. Thoughts???

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