Attention Deficit...

GoLdeN M 07 · 07-16-2008, 03:40 PM

Are there are fast and effective natural treatments for ADD? I dont want to go to a psychiatrist and have to go on medication? Im sure that I cant be the only one living with this bullshit? It sucks, I cant even go to sleep.

**Prince** · 07-16-2008, 03:44 PM

I would think marijuana would help?

GoLdeN M 07 · 07-16-2008, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince

I would think marijuana would help?

please dont joke around.. this is serious. Im feeling suicidle because of this. I want to avoid drugs that may be harmful.

KelJu · 07-16-2008, 04:08 PM

Marijuana, caffeine, or both combined have been very effective for my attention. Pot, exercise, work, and lots of sleep have been very affective at helping my mental state.

Also, if it is that serious, you should see a professional.

GoLdeN M 07 · 07-16-2008, 04:13 PM

Well I have ADD, an actually problem with the frontal lobe of my mind. Also, one of its annoying results are lack of sleep.

**Built** · 07-16-2008, 04:14 PM

I have ADD and I sleep fine.

???

Why can't you sleep?

RasPlasch · 07-16-2008, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince

I would think marijuana would help?

Quote:

please dont joke around.. this is serious. Im feeling suicidle because of this. I want to avoid drugs that may be harmful

He is being serious. I guarantee pot will help you sleep.

Big Smoothy · 07-16-2008, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoLdeN M 07

Are there are fast and effective natural treatments for ADD? I dont want to go to a psychiatrist and have to go on medication? Im sure that I cant be the only one living with this bullshit? It sucks, I cant even go to sleep.

I don't think people with ADD go to a psychiarist. Maybe they do in the very beginning, but I think it's a regular Medical Doctor that deal with ADD.

I assume you can find a specialist in your area for ADD. Nauturo-pathic?

Good luck.

DaMayor · 07-16-2008, 04:29 PM

Um, marjuana is a stimulant. Caffeine is a stimulant....how would these have a calming effect?

While I think there are some legitamate cases of ADHD, ADD, yada yada yada, for the most part I think its B.S....and a great way for pharmaseutical companies to rake in cash.

If you have a problem with your frontal lobe, ya might want to see your Doc.

And remember......SUICIDE IS A PERMANENT ANSWER TO A TEMPORARY PROBLEM.

**Prince** · 07-16-2008, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoLdeN M 07

please dont joke around.. this is serious. Im feeling suicidle because of this. I want to avoid drugs that may be harmful.

if you're feeling suicidal and you're coming to a bodybuilding message board for your professional advice, give me a break.

however, I was being serious in that MJ will most definitely put you to sleep, as far as it being harmful, I think you're better off smoking weed than using any Rx's that they hand out for ADD.

seriously, what advice do you expect us to give you here?

**Prince** · 07-16-2008, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaMayor

Um, marjuana is a stimulant.

really? go smoke a bowl and tell me how long you stay up after that.

DaMayor · 07-16-2008, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince

really? go smoke a bowl and tell me how long you stay up after that.

I have never, and will never, use illegal substances.

For Shame!

KelJu · 07-16-2008, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaMayor

Um, marjuana is a stimulant. Caffeine is a stimulant....how would these have a calming effect?

While I think there are some legitamate cases of ADHD, ADD, yada yada yada, for the most part I think its B.S....and a great way for pharmaseutical companies to rake in cash.

If you have a problem with your frontal lobe, ya might want to see your Doc.

And remember......SUICIDE IS A PERMANENT ANSWER TO A TEMPORARY PROBLEM.

Adaroll and Ritalin are high power stimulants each being one molecule different from crystal-meth. They do not have a calming effect exactly. They stimulate the part of the brain that allows you to focus. This ability to focus allows you to keep track of your thoughts, so you not bouncing around from one idea to the next. Caffeine is the best natural solution to ADD. That is why people drink coffee to study.

Ninja Edit: marijuana has a stimulate like effect on some people, but it is neither a depressant now a stimulant. It is a hallucinogenic drug with the properties of both.

Sorry bud, but you are talking our of your ass on this one. Clinical trails have conclusively proven that mental focus, memory, and cognitive abilities were dramatically improved for patients diagnosed with ADD who took Adaroll and Ritalin. Just because you don't have it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist for other people. This is common with psychological illnesses. It is like telling a diabetic to stop being a pussy when their insulin is out of whack and they can't even get out of bed.

fufu · 07-16-2008, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince

really? go smoke a bowl and tell me how long you stay up after that.

Well, MJ is a stimulant actually(increases heart rate), but that doesn't mean it will make you excitable. It doesn't affect the adrenal glands the same way caffiene would I believe.

KelJu · 07-16-2008, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoLdeN M 07

Well I have ADD, an actually problem with the frontal lobe of my mind. Also, one of its annoying results are lack of sleep.

Um, kiss my ass. If you don't like the advice, stop asking for medical help at a bodybuilding site. Try a neurologist next time.

DaMayor · 07-16-2008, 05:01 PM

Good point. (Not the kiss my ass thing...the previous post) Although I still think the side effects of ritalin far outweigh the benefits....JMHO.

Okay, I'll be serious....back to this guy's original question.

GoLden, are you experiencing "racing" thoughts? Or are you just finding it dificult to focus? Sounds like you're having more problems than just a break in concentration if you have considered suicide, no?

danzik17 · 07-16-2008, 05:08 PM

I like turtles.

Ok I'm sorry that was wrong

**Built** · 07-16-2008, 05:09 PM

My understanding of ADD/ADHD is that it is associated with an increased need for catecholamine, either through increased production or decreased reuptake. That's why so many of us do well on stimulants such as dextroamphetamine, which act as catecholamine reuptake inhibitors. L-Tyrosine is a catecholamine precursor that is sometimes recommended for ADD. Also, hypothyroidism can mimic and or exacerbate the symptoms of ADD, as of course is the case with blood-sugar swings and lack of sleep.

PS I ♥ my stimulants.

DaMayor · 07-16-2008, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaMayor

GoLden, are you experiencing "racing" thoughts? Or are you just finding it dificult to focus? Sounds like you're having more problems than just a break in concentration if you have considered suicide, no?

Psssst. Over here. Golden......

PAY ATTENTION!

Yep, he's got ADD.

KelJu · 07-16-2008, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaMayor

Good point. (Not the kiss my ass thing...the previous post) Although I still think the side effects of ritalin far outweigh the benefits....JMHO.

Okay, I'll be serious....back to this guy's original question.

GoLden, are you experiencing "racing" thoughts? Or are you just finding it dificult to focus? Sounds like you're having more problems than just a break in concentration if you have considered suicide, no?

Please forgive my impulsiveness and assholeshness...is that a word?. It is a very touchy subject for me.

Lack of focus, sleeping problems, being too tired to work out: all of these are a sign of a mental disorder, probably depression, maybe bipolar disorder. The study of the mind has always been a passion of mine, but I am no doctor.

The dude should see a professional, but he won't. He periodically pops in to whine about what is bothering him, yet has never once followed the advice anybody recommended to him.

DaMayor · 07-16-2008, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

PS I â™¥ my stimulants.

I'm starting to wonder about you..

Things Built Loves:

Salt
Fat
Stimulants

Are you the health antichrist in woman form?

DaMayor · 07-16-2008, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KelJu

Please forgive my impulsiveness and assholeshness...is that a word?. Yes, and my middle name, less the second "s"

Lack of focus, sleeping problems, being too tired to work out: all of these are a sign of a mental disorder, probably depression, maybe bipolar disorder. The study of the mind has always been a passion of mine, but I am no doctor.

Those are some fairly common symptoms for many conditions. Bipolar disorder is tricky, as is Manic Depression.....a lot of grey space there....depending on which Doc to talk to.

The dude should see a professional, but he won't. He periodically pops in to whine about what is bothering him, yet has never once followed the advice anybody recommended to him.

I didn't know this. I've never seen him around that I can recall. Either way, my answer would still be Psychiatrist over a Gen. Prac.
I think our friend's issues may have issues.

**Built** · 07-16-2008, 07:32 PM

Salt
Fat
Stimulants
â™¥

If you wanna run cool,
you've got to run on heavy, heavy fuel.

**Prince** · 07-16-2008, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaMayor

I have never, and will never, use illegal substances.

For Shame!

MJ being illegal is such a joke, this country would be much better off if alcohol was illegal and weed was legal, or at least if all of the alcoholics switched from alcohol to weed. Either way MJ should be legal, and it will be in the near future (fact), and overall its a relatively safe drug. btw, I am not advocating the use of ANY drugs, but to say you don't smoke weed because its illegal is just plain silly, at least have a "real" reason for not smoking it.

DaMayor · 07-16-2008, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince

MJ being illegal is such a joke, this country would be much better off if alcohol was illegal and weed was legal, or at least if all of the alcoholics switched from alcohol to weed. Either way MJ should be legal, and it will be in the near future (fact), and overall its a relatively safe drug. btw, I am not advocating the use of ANY drugs, but to say you don't smoke weed because its illegal is just plain silly, at least have a "real" reason for not smoking it.

Um, I was kidding.

I'm torn on the issue, really. I had a long discussion about this with this guy in a bar one night. He just brought it up out of the blue...which I found kind of odd. Turned out he was an undercover narcotics officer. Once he found out I owned the restaurant next door, and really didn't want to buy any weed from him, the other five cops he was with came over, the conversation continued..
Anyway, we all agreed that there (seem to be) less violent crimes, auto-related deaths, etc. due to MJ vs. Booze.

Back in the day, the only thing I wanted to harm when smoking was a five pound bag of salt and vinegar potato chips and three dozen twinkies.

**dg806** · 07-16-2008, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaMayor

While I think there are some legitamate cases of ADHD, ADD, yada yada yada, for the most part I think its B.S....and a great way for pharmaseutical companies to rake in cash.

I agree. Too many doctors will not take the time to properly diagnose the correct condition and jump on the add bandwagon and be very fast to prescribe medication for it.
They tried to say my son had it. I did not think he did.
And btw, he has hypothyroidism - Thanks Built. Kinda makes me think my thinking was correct.

tallcall · 07-17-2008, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dg806

Kinda makes me think my thinking was correct.

Lets stop with all the thinking already, it makes my brian mor hert!

Little Wing · 07-17-2008, 08:06 AM

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this is at the bottom of this thread.

Little Wing · 07-17-2008, 08:17 AM

my son was diagnosed with severe adhd. a dr explained to him that if you think of your brain as a community the stimulants are the part of your brain that governs and polices the rest to see that everything is working together properly. we tried the stimulants n the drugs that aren't stimulants like strattera. then i explained to the dr that Tyler is MY child and he won't be taking a bunch of crap with horrible side effects, are a gamble as far as long term side effects, and make him miserable. some of these drugs make kids and adults pick at their skin just like meth users do. Ty said when he's on them it's like the "smart part" of his brain dies. he is much less creative on them. a docile, compliant, uninspired sheep is not a better off kid.

and yes teachers pushed for him to be on the drugs because he is smarter than his peer group and was bored shitless in the dumbed down public school system.

melatonin is good for sleep problems.

devildog88 · 07-17-2008, 11:22 AM

When you can't sleep Have sex! You might as well enjoy the time you are awake!

07-16-2008, 03:40 PM	#1
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Little Wing Mommmmmm, turn it down!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: United States Posts: 23,758 Photos: 191	« Guy claims to have smoked crack and have gay sex with obama \| why is it so hard to find hollow points? » this is at the bottom of this thread. "MUSCLE IS TRULY GUARANTEED IF YOU WILL HONESTLY work out to BE YOUR VERY BEST - GO FOR IT!!! BECAUSE YOU CAN!!!!!! Take Care, John H."

07-17-2008, 08:17 AM	#29
Little Wing Mommmmmm, turn it down!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: United States Posts: 23,758 Photos: 191	my son was diagnosed with severe adhd. a dr explained to him that if you think of your brain as a community the stimulants are the part of your brain that governs and polices the rest to see that everything is working together properly. we tried the stimulants n the drugs that aren't stimulants like strattera. then i explained to the dr that Tyler is MY child and he won't be taking a bunch of crap with horrible side effects, are a gamble as far as long term side effects, and make him miserable. some of these drugs make kids and adults pick at their skin just like meth users do. Ty said when he's on them it's like the "smart part" of his brain dies. he is much less creative on them. a docile, compliant, uninspired sheep is not a better off kid. and yes teachers pushed for him to be on the drugs because he is smarter than his peer group and was bored shitless in the dumbed down public school system. melatonin is good for sleep problems. "MUSCLE IS TRULY GUARANTEED IF YOU WILL HONESTLY work out to BE YOUR VERY BEST - GO FOR IT!!! BECAUSE YOU CAN!!!!!! Take Care, John H."

07-16-2008, 04:08 PM	#4
KelJu Thats Dr. Keke to you! Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In my imagination. Posts: 10,162 Photos: 2	Marijuana, caffeine, or both combined have been very effective for my attention. Pot, exercise, work, and lots of sleep have been very affective at helping my mental state. Also, if it is that serious, you should see a professional.

07-16-2008, 04:13 PM	#5
GoLdeN M 07 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mahwah, NJ Posts: 705	Well I have ADD, an actually problem with the frontal lobe of my mind. Also, one of its annoying results are lack of sleep.

07-16-2008, 04:14 PM	#6
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,118	I have ADD and I sleep fine. ??? Why can't you sleep?

07-16-2008, 04:29 PM	#9
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Um, marjuana is a stimulant. Caffeine is a stimulant....how would these have a calming effect? While I think there are some legitamate cases of ADHD, ADD, yada yada yada, for the most part I think its B.S....and a great way for pharmaseutical companies to rake in cash. If you have a problem with your frontal lobe, ya might want to see your Doc. And remember......SUICIDE IS A PERMANENT ANSWER TO A TEMPORARY PROBLEM.

07-16-2008, 05:01 PM	#16
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Good point. (Not the kiss my ass thing...the previous post) Although I still think the side effects of ritalin far outweigh the benefits....JMHO. Okay, I'll be serious....back to this guy's original question. GoLden, are you experiencing "racing" thoughts? Or are you just finding it dificult to focus? Sounds like you're having more problems than just a break in concentration if you have considered suicide, no?

07-16-2008, 05:09 PM	#18
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,118	My understanding of ADD/ADHD is that it is associated with an increased need for catecholamine, either through increased production or decreased reuptake. That's why so many of us do well on stimulants such as dextroamphetamine, which act as catecholamine reuptake inhibitors. L-Tyrosine is a catecholamine precursor that is sometimes recommended for ADD. Also, hypothyroidism can mimic and or exacerbate the symptoms of ADD, as of course is the case with blood-sugar swings and lack of sleep. PS I ♥ my stimulants.

07-16-2008, 07:32 PM	#23
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