For you gun owners

ALBOB · 08-12-2008, 08:41 PM

Just a thought here, something you might want to consider before plopping more $$$ on another gun, maybe you should look into reloading. It'll save you some money on ammo and also allow you to customize your ammo to your gun. Again, just a thought.

P.S. If you own a gun you need to be a member of SOME gun rights organization. I don't care which one, just join one. The bastards lost the Heller vs. D.C. case but they're still trying to take our guns.

maniclion · 08-12-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ALBOB

Just a thought here, something you might want to consider before plopping more $$$ on another gun, maybe you should look into reloading. It'll save you some money on ammo and also allow you to customize your ammo to your gun. Again, just a thought.

P.S. If you own a gun you need to be a member of SOME gun rights organization. I don't care which one, just join one. The bastards lost the Heller vs. D.C. case but they're still trying to take our guns.

All I have to do is wait for you to go to bed at night, once those hearing aids come out I'll be able to take those guns, I could even shoot your toilet so you couldn't take your morning shit and you wouldn't wake up.....

**dg806** · 08-12-2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by maniclion

All I have to do is wait for you to go to bed at night, once those hearing aids come out I'll be able to take those guns, I could even shoot your toilet so you couldn't take your morning shit and you wouldn't wake up.....

Yeah but he has xray vision at night to make up for hearing. He could shoot you right between the eyes in total darkness

clemson357 · 08-12-2008, 10:40 PM

There is only one bad thing about Glocks. They have completely killed my desire buy more handguns. Everytime I start thinking about a handgun that I might want, I realize nothing will beat my glocks.

bio-chem · 08-12-2008, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by clemson357

There is only one bad thing about Glocks. They have completely killed my desire buy more handguns. Everytime I start thinking about a handgun that I might want, I realize nothing will beat my glocks.

WOW. i wouldnt go that far. shotguns and rifles are fun as well. I shot a taurus 1911 the other day that was easily more accurate than a glock right out of the box. i happen to think 1911's are sexier looking as well. the glock is a hideous gun. it has no redeemable aesthetic qualities at all. the glock is like a gold medalist woman in the shot put. yea, she just kicked everyones butt, but you cant take her home show her off to your friends like your dating a super model. it's ugly. hideous even. my buddy has a p220 sig saur and that gun is good looking. and i would put that up against a glock any day. just as reliable and something you can show off to your friends

mcguin · 08-13-2008, 07:36 AM

yea I've been an NRA member for 4 years now im proud to say...the only problem I foresee right now is in jersey most of the ranges around here are members only and to be a member you have to pay a crazy amount of money and they demand an interview process, so even if I had the money its still up to the owners...I could just imagine what they might have me to as part of the initiation process!! haha

WillBrink · 08-13-2008, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by clemson357

There is only one bad thing about Glocks. They have completely killed my desire buy more handguns. Everytime I start thinking about a handgun that I might want, I realize nothing will beat my glocks.

Ummm, if you say so...

**dg806** · 08-13-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by WillBrink

Ummm, if you say so...

Well I agree somewhat since I have several glocks, but as a gun enthusiast, I love too many guns to limit myself to just glocks.

bio-chem · 08-13-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dg806

Well I agree somewhat since I have several glocks, but as a gun enthusiast, I love too many guns to limit myself to just glocks.

ive always found the "i only love glocks" mentality to be kind of funny myself. then again i also consider myself to be a gun enthusiast as well and i enjoy lots of different guns and calibers.

tomuchgear · 08-13-2008, 10:38 AM

i could never limit myself to only one maker. i love so many. i like cobray there fun. like i said i dont like the look of the glock. that, and i like things that have a safety on them. if i had to pick a favorite maker most likely taurus. moderatly priced nice look great feel. all around a pleasure to shoot.

WillBrink · 08-13-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

ive always found the "i only love glocks" mentality to be kind of funny myself.

I don't find it funny, I just find it misplaced. Glock's are good basic reliable firepower, and fit their intended niche quite well, but there's nothing special about them, and they can't touch a good 1911* The Glock ergonomics suck, the sites suck, the trigger sucks. The reliability myth is just that, a myth*, nor did Glock invent the polymer pistol. HnK did, and the HnK USP is a FAR superior gun to any Glock. It's also twice the price. The SnW MnP and the XD series are as good, or better than Glocks, and both reviews and "real world" experience confirms that.

* = The other day on the range with the SWAT team I am currently working with, one Glock went FUBAR and another had problems out of 9 guys. They break just like any other gun...

* = thus why the top combat shooters, such as the FBI HRT, LA SWAT, Delta, etc, etc use it.

bio-chem · 08-13-2008, 11:06 AM

ive never had issues with a glocks reliability and i find them to be a very accurate pistol. i dont think they are any more reliable than other pistols out there and ive put plenty of rounds through other guns more accurate. but if i was working as a police officer i might consider it as my carry gun

**dg806** · 08-13-2008, 01:25 PM

If you shoot enough and shoot enough different guns, you will realize that most guns have their quirks and malfunctions. After all, they are mechanical pieces.

maniclion · 08-13-2008, 08:33 PM

A Glock might feel good in one persons hands but not in anothers, the sights may be awful for one person and fit another person's style best. If I ever decided to get one i would have to spend some time at a range testing some out before I chose. It'd have to feel like a part of my hand and not like I were holding a tool or a piece of scrap metal....

WillBrink · 08-14-2008, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by maniclion

not like I were holding a tool or a piece of scrap metal....

You mean scrap plastic...

devildog88 · 08-16-2008, 06:23 PM

THe glock hand grips are like holding a 2x4. Personaly I like SIG arms. I have a SIG .357/.40 and springfield XD 9mm. Both great guns!

WillBrink · 08-16-2008, 06:54 PM

Folks, here's a vid I just put up from the Boston PD match I attended:

YouTube - Boston Police Department shoot

YouTube Video

Enjoy!

Nachez · 08-22-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mcguin

mostly shooting range, but of course home defense...I mean i've got the runaround about the different makes out there, and although I haven't shot myself, I've already become a little loyal to the glock name...I'm already planning what my next toy will be after this one...

For home defense get an AK47 you wont find nothing better on the market.

An AK is far less likely to jam. Snow wind, water, mud, sand that AK can be buried can go through hell and still fire? now can a glock do that?
plus can hand gun round do any where near the damage of a rifle round???

you be the judge

hand guns are cool for carry weapons
but for home protection
its hard to beat a rifle.

mcguin · 08-22-2008, 01:55 PM

going to the shooting range tomorrow for the first time with the .45! Will let you know how it goes later on tomorrow! Also might possibly be going to the cruefest concert tomorrow!

prisontat · 08-22-2008, 02:12 PM

springfield is a good gun they made their mark with the .45 but if you want a gun thats great and comes with exchangable hand grips go with the smith and wesson mp. have ALOT of firearms and it is one of the best

Witmaster · 08-22-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nachez

For home defense get an AK47 you wont find nothing better on the market.

An AK is far less likely to jam. Snow wind, water, mud, sand that AK can be buried can go through hell and still fire? now can a glock do that?
plus can hand gun round do any where near the damage of a rifle round???

you be the judge

hand guns are cool for carry weapons
but for home protection
its hard to beat a rifle.

You really have to consider the application of your firearm.

Home defense... Sure.... you could argue that an AK is the way to go. However... where do you live? If you live in a tightly grouped housing addition or an apartment complex, an AK is a very irresponcible choice. Those 7.62x39's will travel for quite a ways and drywall isn't goinna stop them. You could very well end up killing your neighbors with stray rounds. Not good. Now, if youve got acres of land around you and a considerable standoff between you and your attacker, a long-gun or an assault rifle is the way to go, no question about it.

Handguns are a great weapon for home defense, however, without proper training and practice, you can easily end up a statistical liability. I recomend anyone interested in a handgun should first go to your local gun-club and try several out. Find one you're comfortable and confidant with. Practice, practice, practice.

If it's just brute force you're looking for in home defense, buy a 12-guage.

On a side note, I've got a Para .45 hi-cap and it's sweet. It's a bit of a hoss but considering you're holding 16 rounds of double-stacked .45 that's to be expected.

KentDog · 08-24-2008, 12:08 AM

^ I agree that an AK would be a terrible choice for home defense. A shotgun would likely be the best, given less chance of ammunition going through walls. I am currently looking at the best ammunition for my new USP 9 (for home defense purposes) and while researching, have found pretty much everything will go through drywall as well, so I am looking at ammo that won't fragment.

While Cor Bon PowR'Ball rounds sound good (high velocity rounds, good expansion, no fragmentation), I don't know if +P is a good idea for home defense. Though still +P, I have read their DPX rounds are a better bet for this purpose.

I am leaning toward the Federal Hydra-shocks (147gr) or Speer Gold Dots (124gr) at the moment. I am still unsure if it will be difficult to obtain them.

ALBOB · 08-26-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KentDog

^ I agree that an AK would be a terrible choice for home defense. A shotgun would likely be the best, given less chance of ammunition going through walls. I am currently looking at the best ammunition for my new USP 9 (for home defense purposes) and while researching, have found pretty much everything will go through drywall as well, so I am looking at ammo that won't fragment.

While Cor Bon PowR'Ball rounds sound good (high velocity rounds, good expansion, no fragmentation), I don't know if +P is a good idea for home defense. Though still +P, I have read their DPX rounds are a better bet for this purpose.

I am leaning toward the Federal Hydra-shocks (147gr) or Speer Gold Dots (124gr) at the moment. I am still unsure if it will be difficult to obtain them.

The best piece of advice I've ever gotten on ammo choice is, "Use what your local cops use." They use ammo that has proven man stopping ability. Also, if you ever find yourself in court defending yourself after a self defense shooting, the other guy's lawyer can't accuse you of using "evil" bullets. Afterall, it's what the police use.

KentDog · 08-26-2008, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ALBOB

The best piece of advice I've ever gotten on ammo choice is, "Use what your local cops use." They use ammo that has proven man stopping ability. Also, if you ever find yourself in court defending yourself after a self defense shooting, the other guy's lawyer can't accuse you of using "evil" bullets. Afterall, it's what the police use.

This is great advice. I've ordered a handful of different high performance rounds, which should be arriving tomorrow. I plan to take them to the range this weekend and see which one works best in my USP.

I'm having a tough time deciding between ammunition grain. My USP is a 9mm and I'm on the fence with 115gr or 147gr for home defense. It seems 115gr is the way to go, but I've read about massive improvement in high performance 147gr rounds over the last few years. Additionally, I worry if 115gr will have good enough penetration for thick winter clothing (coats ontop of sweaters, etc. here in Iowa). Maybe I will rotate the ammunition in my magazines by season? 115gr when it is nice out, 147gr during the colder months?

KentDog · 08-26-2008, 11:17 PM

This is me by the way:

I already posted them on another forum (don't worry, it's a gun forum), so I figured I would share with my fellow IM'ers as well.

Witmaster · 08-26-2008, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ALBOB

The best piece of advice I've ever gotten on ammo choice is, "Use what your local cops use." They use ammo that has proven man stopping ability. Also, if you ever find yourself in court defending yourself after a self defense shooting, the other guy's lawyer can't accuse you of using "evil" bullets. Afterall, it's what the police use.

Damn. So my choice of armor piercing incendiary ammo wasn't so wise, eh?

Seriously though... that's a good call. I'd never considered the posibility of being slammed in court because my ammo was cruel and unusual.

prisontat · 08-27-2008, 05:01 AM

the trick is dont let there be anyone there to testify against u. after all the last thing u want is someone talking to a jury from a wheelchair. it doesnt matter what round u use it will penatrate thick clothing, i have shot a junk car with a 9mm using several types of ammo and all of it went through, sometimes both doors. the choice is yours

WillBrink · 08-27-2008, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by KentDog

This is me by the way:

I already posted them on another forum (don't worry, it's a gun forum), so I figured I would share with my fellow IM'ers as well.

A fine gun. HK makes the good stuff. Can't go wrong with that purchase. Enjoy.

KentDog · 08-27-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by prisontat

it doesnt matter what round u use it will penatrate thick clothing, i have shot a junk car with a 9mm using several types of ammo and all of it went through, sometimes both doors. the choice is yours

Was it all ball ammo though? I am looking at getting jacketed hollow point rounds as my main home defense ammunition.

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Originally Posted by WillBrink

A fine gun. HK makes the good stuff. Can't go wrong with that purchase. Enjoy.

Thanks, Will. I have been wanting one for some time now.

prisontat · 08-27-2008, 02:07 PM

[quote=KentDog;1817494]Was it all ball ammo though? I am looking at getting jacketed hollow point rounds as my main home defense ammunition.

i shoot hollow points at at 1/2 inch 4x8 sheet of plywood 25yds away every weekend. you wont be disappointed

08-12-2008, 08:41 PM	#31
ALBOB IDIOT SAVANT Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: An alternate reality. Posts: 10,385	Just a thought here, something you might want to consider before plopping more $$$ on another gun, maybe you should look into reloading. It'll save you some money on ammo and also allow you to customize your ammo to your gun. Again, just a thought. P.S. If you own a gun you need to be a member of SOME gun rights organization. I don't care which one, just join one. The bastards lost the Heller vs. D.C. case but they're still trying to take our guns. Rules? You mean we have RULES for that???

08-12-2008, 10:40 PM	#34
clemson357 __________ Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,606 Photos: 1	There is only one bad thing about Glocks. They have completely killed my desire buy more handguns. Everytime I start thinking about a handgun that I might want, I realize nothing will beat my glocks. ________________________

08-13-2008, 10:38 AM	#40
tomuchgear is gettin divorcd n drnkn Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ohio Posts: 1,682 Photos: 5	i could never limit myself to only one maker. i love so many. i like cobray there fun. like i said i dont like the look of the glock. that, and i like things that have a safety on them. if i had to pick a favorite maker most likely taurus. moderatly priced nice look great feel. all around a pleasure to shoot. i bet in the world you live in every one is a pony, eats rainbows, and craps butterflys. there is no damn justice in the world.

08-13-2008, 01:25 PM	#43
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,197	If you shoot enough and shoot enough different guns, you will realize that most guns have their quirks and malfunctions. After all, they are mechanical pieces. 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

08-13-2008, 08:33 PM	#44
maniclion Cartographer of the Mind Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mens Incognita Posts: 20,437 Photos: 10	A Glock might feel good in one persons hands but not in anothers, the sights may be awful for one person and fit another person's style best. If I ever decided to get one i would have to spend some time at a range testing some out before I chose. It'd have to feel like a part of my hand and not like I were holding a tool or a piece of scrap metal.... "We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that." Thomas Edison: In conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone

08-13-2008, 07:36 AM	#36
mcguin "It's not a tooma!" Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: US Posts: 358	yea I've been an NRA member for 4 years now im proud to say...the only problem I foresee right now is in jersey most of the ranges around here are members only and to be a member you have to pay a crazy amount of money and they demand an interview process, so even if I had the money its still up to the owners...I could just imagine what they might have me to as part of the initiation process!! haha

08-13-2008, 11:06 AM	#42
bio-chem Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 5,774 Photos: 14	ive never had issues with a glocks reliability and i find them to be a very accurate pistol. i dont think they are any more reliable than other pistols out there and ive put plenty of rounds through other guns more accurate. but if i was working as a police officer i might consider it as my carry gun

08-16-2008, 06:23 PM	#46
devildog88 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 813 Photos: 1	THe glock hand grips are like holding a 2x4. Personaly I like SIG arms. I have a SIG .357/.40 and springfield XD 9mm. Both great guns! "Everyone wants to win but not everyone is willing to prepare to win" Bobby Knight

08-22-2008, 01:55 PM	#49
mcguin "It's not a tooma!" Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: US Posts: 358	going to the shooting range tomorrow for the first time with the .45! Will let you know how it goes later on tomorrow! Also might possibly be going to the cruefest concert tomorrow!

08-22-2008, 02:12 PM	#50
prisontat Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: jackson ms Posts: 12	springfield springfield is a good gun they made their mark with the .45 but if you want a gun thats great and comes with exchangable hand grips go with the smith and wesson mp. have ALOT of firearms and it is one of the best

08-24-2008, 12:08 AM	#52
KentDog Yuppie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: USA Posts: 2,961 Photos: 3	^ I agree that an AK would be a terrible choice for home defense. A shotgun would likely be the best, given less chance of ammunition going through walls. I am currently looking at the best ammunition for my new USP 9 (for home defense purposes) and while researching, have found pretty much everything will go through drywall as well, so I am looking at ammo that won't fragment. While Cor Bon PowR'Ball rounds sound good (high velocity rounds, good expansion, no fragmentation), I don't know if +P is a good idea for home defense. Though still +P, I have read their DPX rounds are a better bet for this purpose. I am leaning toward the Federal Hydra-shocks (147gr) or Speer Gold Dots (124gr) at the moment. I am still unsure if it will be difficult to obtain them.

08-26-2008, 11:17 PM	#55
KentDog Yuppie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: USA Posts: 2,961 Photos: 3	This is me by the way: I already posted them on another forum (don't worry, it's a gun forum), so I figured I would share with my fellow IM'ers as well.

08-27-2008, 05:01 AM	#57
prisontat Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: jackson ms Posts: 12	the trick is dont let there be anyone there to testify against u. after all the last thing u want is someone talking to a jury from a wheelchair. it doesnt matter what round u use it will penatrate thick clothing, i have shot a junk car with a 9mm using several types of ammo and all of it went through, sometimes both doors. the choice is yours

08-27-2008, 02:07 PM	#60
prisontat Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: jackson ms Posts: 12	[quote=KentDog;1817494]Was it all ball ammo though? I am looking at getting jacketed hollow point rounds as my main home defense ammunition. i shoot hollow points at at 1/2 inch 4x8 sheet of plywood 25yds away every weekend. you wont be disappointed

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