Palin "war with Russia may be necessary if Georgia were to join NATO"

**min0 lee** · 09-11-2008, 06:19 PM

I do hope she realizes the Russians are on another level, I've experienced a lot in my lifetime....but I can say I honestly pass on the nukes landing on my backyard.
Yes, I'm a coward.

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Sarah Palin Defends Experience, Takes Hard Line Approach on National Security
Republican VP Candidate Speaks with ABC News' Charles Gibson in Exclusive Interview

By RUSSELL GOLDMAN
Sept. 11, 2008â€”

On the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history, Gov. Sarah Palin took a hard-line approach on national security and said that war with Russia may be necessary if Georgia were to join NATO and be invaded by Russia.

In her first of three interviews with ABC News' Charles Gibson and the only interview since being picked by Sen. John McCain as his Republican vice presidential nominee, Palin categorized the Russian invasion of Georgia as "unacceptable" and warned of the threats from Islamic terrorists and a nuclear Iran.

See Excerpts of Charles Gibson's Interview With Sarah Palin HERE.

The governor advocated for the admittance of Georgia and Ukraine into NATO.

When Gibson said if under the NATO treaty, the United States would have to go to war if Russia again invaded Georgia, Palin responded: "Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help.

"And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable," she told Gibson.

Watch Charles Gibson's exclusive interviews with Gov. Sarah Palin beginning tonight on "World News" and "Nightline." Charles Gibson will do three interviews with Palin today and tomorrow. More Friday on "Good Morning America " at 7 a.m. ET," "World News" and on "20/20," which will broadcast a one-hour special edition at 10 p.m. ET/9 p.m. CT.

Palin, who obtained her first passport last year and who has served just two years as Alaska's governor, told Gibson that she was up to the challenge of being Sen. John McCain's vice president.

"I answered [McCain] 'yes,' because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can't blink."

"I thought yes right off the bat. & When he offered me the position as his running mate, the first thing I said to him was, 'Do you really think that I could help the ticket? Do you really think that I could help this country? Absolutely, I want to do this with you.'" Palin sat down with Gibson on a day that was filled with wrenching memories and solemn ceremonies for the nearly 3,000 people who died in the 9/11 attacks seven years ago.

It was also the day that Palin, the mother of five, attended a deployment ceremony for her oldest son, Track, an Army infantryman whose Stryker unit is being shipped off to Iraq later this month.

Palin's military experience is limited to her gubernatorial role as commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard, an organization with fewer members than there are citizens in the town she was mayor.

When Gibson asked her whether that experience was sufficient, Palin said the important experience she brought to the table concerned her work on energy independence.

"Let me speak specifically about a credential that I do bring to this table, Charlie, and that's with the energy independence that I've been working on for these years as the governor of this state that produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy, that I worked on as chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, overseeing the oil and gas development in our state to produce more for the United States... but I want you to not lose sight of the fact that energy is a foundation of national security. It's that important. It's that significant," she said.

Palin said that she believed a nuclear Iran presented a threat to "everyone in the world" and that if Israel's existence was threatened by those weapons it had a right to defend itself.

"We have got to make sure that these weapons of mass destruction, that nuclear weapons are not given to those hands of [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad, not that he would use them, but that he would allow terrorists to be able to use them," she said.

"Well, first, we are friends with Israel and I don't think that we should second-guess the measures that Israel has to take to defend themselves and for their security."

When asked whether the United States should be able to invade Pakistan in pursuit of terrorists along the Afghanistan border, Palin demured.

"Is that a yes," asked Gibson. "That you think we have the right to go across the border with or without the approval of the Pakistani government, to go after terrorists who are in the Waziristan area?"

Palin responded, saying: "I believe that America has to exercise all options in order to stop the terrorists who are hell bent on destroying America and our allies. We have got to have all options out there on the table."

Palin defended a previous statement in which she reportedly characterized the war in Iraq as a "task from God."

Gibson quoted her as saying: "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God."

But Palin said she was referencing a famous quote by Abraham Lincoln.

"I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words. But what Abraham Lincoln had said, and that's a repeat in my comments, was let us not pray that God is on our side in a war or any other time, but let us pray that we are on God's side."

When asked if she believed she was "sending [her] son on a task that is from God," Palin said: "I don't know if the task is from God, Charlie. What I know is that my son has made a decision. I am so proud of his independent and strong decision he has made, what he decided to do and serving for the right reasons and serving something greater than himself and not choosing a real easy path where he could be more comfortable and certainly safer."

Palin agreed in principle to the "Bush doctrine," the idea that the United States has the right to preemptively strike those another country the U.S. think will attack first.

"Charlie, if there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend.

Sarah Palin Brings Surge of Support to McCain Campaign

Palin, 44, virtually unknown to the American public three weeks ago, has shaken up the race just as McCain hoped she would.

She has propelled the GOP ticket into a dead heat with Obama for the first time in the campaign.

The Republican surge in the polls is the result of her appeal to the party's conservative base and to a huge wave of white women voters.

That appeal comes not just from her gender and scrappy "hockey mom" personality -- she famously compared herself to a pitbull with lipstick during her acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention -- but also from her deep religious faith, her opposition to liberal anthems like gay marriage and abortion rights, and her decision to give birth to her son despite prenatal warnings that he had Down syndrome.

Palin has trumpeted her battle with Republican mandarins of Alaska, and the cost-cutting measures she took, which included driving her own car and selling the governor's plane.

The first days of her candidacy were rocked by news that her unmarried 17-year-old daughter was pregnant and by questions of whether a mother of five could also be the vice president.

But critics quickly backed off under angry charges by the GOP as well as Democratic women that the questions were sexist.

Her fresh face and and claim to being a Washington outsider and party reformer has not only boosted McCain in the polls, but stolen the "change" mantra from Obama and put the Democratic ticket on the defensive.

And Democrats have been flummoxed over how to counter her appeal.

Sarah Palin Interview Seen as First Media Test of McCain VP Pick

Palin's willingness to sit down with Gibson was expected to be a crucial first test for Palin.

Her answers will be watched by the public -- and closely scrutinized by the Democrats -- because she has not been pressed on her knowledge of national security, the economy or foreign policy.

In fact, her international experience is so limited that she received her first passport this year for a trip to Kuwait and Germany.

Palin also has not had to explain some controversies that have swirled around her public record.

Among the professional revelations discovered after she was declared McCain's running mate was the news that Palin was under investigation into claims that she abused her office to get the Alaska public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, fired after he refused to dismiss her ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper.

Given McCain's record on opposing pork barrell spending, Palin has yet to answer for her use of federal funds both as mayor and governor.

She initially supported using federal funds to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to Gravina Island, which has 50 residents and a small airport.

It was not until the plan collapsed in Congress under a barrage of criticism that she withdrew her support. Critics contend she still supports using federal money to build a 3.4 mile Road to Nowhere on the island for $26 million -- from the funds for the bridge.

Palin has also recently come under fire for dismissing a librarian while she was mayor of Wasilla in 1996.

The librarian lost her jobs after telling Palin she would not remove books if the mayor deemed them offensive.

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**Big Smoothy** · 09-11-2008, 06:55 PM

Her comments on Georgia, NATO, and Iran were likely planned ahead of time and allowed by the handlers.

For someone who's unknown, and taking on the role of VP, we can only wonder if these comments were aimed at a voting block group or if that is a general belief.

The Ossetian issues goes back about 600 years. And mentioning Ukraine just doesn't seem like a good idea.

Is she trying to pleasing the hawks? Hard to say.

**BoneCrusher** · 09-11-2008, 07:22 PM

This is the first thing she has said that's made me not like her. War with Russia? She's clueless. Not even a chance we can go to war with Russia. A world war right now would probably spell the end as we know it ... even without the nukes.

Is this the kind of reasoning that her experience is going to produce at the executive level?

**Big Smoothy** · 09-11-2008, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

This is the first thing she has said that's made me not like her. War with Russia? She's clueless. Not even a chance we can go to war with Russia. A world war right now would probably spell the end as we know it ... even without the nukes.

Is this the kind of reasoning that her experience is going to produce at the executive level?

I agree, Bone.

I think it's very foolish to make statements like that. And other politicians have, also. Bill Richardson said he'd consider "taking out Musharrif" in one of the Demo debates. Evidence he knows very little about Pakistan. What an arrogant statement.

Putin, and other world leaders do not make public statements like this to the world.

Being respectful and having a little class about disagreements is better.

And Georgia? Worth going into a conflict over? Georgia is a very complicated nation. It's also very small, very poor.

Foolish comments by Palin. Again, this "toughness" may register with some voter in certain demographics.

**brogers** · 09-12-2008, 08:22 AM

Your headline is kind of stupid.

NATO is an alliance, when one member is attacked, it is the responsibility of the other members to come to their defense. In no way does it suggest war with russia is "neccessary." An even dumber thing to say would be "If any of our allies gets attacked by Russia we'll just stand down and let them have their way, the alliance doesn't mean anything and we're scared of the bear." Taking the "threat" away is what is foolish. Why do you think we still aim nuclear weapons at each other?

**min0 lee** · 09-12-2008, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by brogers

Your headline is kind of stupid.

?

Palin "war with Russia may be necessary if Georgia were to join NATO"

There, print it and hang it over your bedpost.

The headline is to bring attention, Mr. Stupidhead.

This is a silly forum, not the Washington Post....but then again papers do have a way of twisting words around.

**Big Smoothy** · 09-12-2008, 09:11 AM

A lot of Europeans and Asian have read this news story.

I hate to say it, but this is another reason why people are LAUGHING at the US.

And as an American, yes it does, P*ss me off.

**2truSoldier** · 09-12-2008, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by brogers

Your headline is kind of stupid.

NATO is an alliance, when one member is attacked, it is the responsibility of the other members to come to their defense. In no way does it suggest war with russia is "neccessary." An even dumber thing to say would be "If any of our allies gets attacked by Russia we'll just stand down and let them have their way, the alliance doesn't mean anything and we're scared of the bear." Taking the "threat" away is what is foolish. Why do you think we still aim nuclear weapons at each other?

I'm lost in your words.

**bio-chem** · 09-12-2008, 10:30 AM

"Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help.

"And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable,

that is the quote from palin. not nearly as inflamatory as the headline states.

**2truSoldier** · 09-12-2008, 10:44 AM

Georgia is not a NATO ally. For that matter neither is Iraq or Kuwait. History has shown us that if we (US) can't get anything out of it the hell with what's going on around the globe. Like it or not we are bullies.

**Witmaster** · 09-12-2008, 10:48 AM

I don't think what she said is all that crazy. I mean, come on. What the hell is she supposed to say?

Had she said that America would NOT come to the aid of a NATO ally then she'd be getting hammered by critics for appearing weak.

**Witmaster** · 09-12-2008, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by 2truSoldier

Georgia is not a NATO ally. For that matter neither is Iraq or Kuwait. History has shown us that if we (US) can't get anything out of it the hell with what's going on around the globe. Like it or not we are bullies.

No, but Georgia has APPLIED for NATO membership. Palin's comments were purely hypothetical. IF Gerogia were a NATO then yes, we are not beyond the scope of considering military conflict if necessary.

And by bringing Iraq and Kuwait into the mix you are comparing Apples to Oranges.

**min0 lee** · 09-12-2008, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by bio-chem

that is the quote from palin. not nearly as inflamatory as the headline states.

I took the headlines from the article itself.
Sarah Palin Defends Experience, Takes Hard Line Approach on National Security
Republican VP Candidate Speaks with ABC News' Charles Gibson in Exclusive Interview

By RUSSELL GOLDMAN
Sept. 11, 2008â€”

On the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history, Gov. Sarah Palin took a hard-line approach on national security and said that war with Russia may be necessary if Georgia were to join NATO and be invaded by Russia.

In her first of three interviews with ABC News' Charles Gibson and the only interview since being picked by Sen. John McCain as his Republican vice presidential nominee, Palin categorized the Russian invasion of Georgia as "unacceptable" and warned of the threats from Islamic terrorists and a nuclear Iran.

Now lets stop this bickering about the headline and get back to what Palin said.

I thought it was irresponsible to make such a comment, you have to know how to be diplomatic....I
wonder how the Russians took her comments.

**brogers** · 09-12-2008, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Palin "war with Russia may be necessary if Georgia were to join NATO"

There, print it and hang it over your bedpost.

The headline is to bring attention, Mr. Stupidhead.

This is a silly forum, not the Washington Post....but then again papers do have a way of twisting words around.

A more accurate headline would be Palin - "US will continue to uphold the NATO agreement"

Stupid reporter: So if russia attacked Georgia, and Georgia is a member of NATO, would you be willing to go to war with Russia?

Palin: Yes, that is the definition of an alliance.

Me: DUH!

Stupid headline, stupid non-issue. Would you prefer: "No, we won't support any of our allies and don't expect them to honor NATO either" ?

**2truSoldier** · 09-12-2008, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Witmaster

No, but Georgia has APPLIED for NATO membership. Palin's comments were purely hypothetical. IF Gerogia were a NATO then yes, we are not beyond the scope of considering military conflict if necessary.

And by bringing Iraq and Kuwait into the mix you are comparing Apples to Oranges.

I'm not comparing anything. I am simply stating that we are not interested if it dosen't suit us.

**brogers** · 09-12-2008, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by 2truSoldier

I'm lost in your words.

Sorry that I didn't dumb it down more. Anyone who knows the meaning of an alliance and read the original headline could understand exactly what I meant.

The headline is still stupid and misleading.

**min0 lee** · 09-12-2008, 11:05 AM

From now on before I start threads I'll ask you to proof read it for me.

I'll post what I want, if you don't like it just put me on ignore.

God, your so anal.

**min0 lee** · 09-12-2008, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by brogers

Sorry that I didn't dumb it down more. Anyone who knows the meaning of an alliance and read the original headline could understand exactly what I meant.

The headline is still stupid and misleading.

Your sad. Your taking that headline personal.
You can ask the Mods to change it if you want, it's ok by me.

**2truSoldier** · 09-12-2008, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by brogers

Sorry that I didn't dumb it down more. Anyone who knows the meaning of an alliance and read the original headline could understand exactly what I meant.

The headline is still stupid and misleading.

Maybe you should read the headline slower maybe that will help.

**min0 lee** · 09-12-2008, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by 2truSoldier

Maybe you should read the headline slower maybe that will help.

Don't pay much mind, the headline was a quote from the article written above.

I like the fact that it irritates him so much.

This from a guy who defends CEO's and the money they make to ruin our economy. Fanny mae.....explain that Brogers...that also comes out of your pocket.

**min0 lee** · 09-12-2008, 11:17 AM

Headlines.
Palin Won't Rule Out Russia War

That's a headline from another news agency...
Min0 won't rule out beating Brogers.

Same headline but the names were changed abit.

**brogers** · 09-12-2008, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Don't pay much mind, the headline was a quote from the article written above.

I like the fact that it irritates him so much.

This from a guy who defends CEO's and the money they make to ruin our economy. Fanny mae.....explain that Brogers...that also comes out of your pocket.

I don't like Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. You ought to check out who they donate money to before going down that road:

OpenSecrets | Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Invest in Democrats - Capital Eye

**min0 lee** · 09-12-2008, 11:21 AM

Another one....Palin: War With Russia "Perhaps" Necessary If Russia Invades NATO-Admitted Georgia

Damn close.

**min0 lee** · 09-12-2008, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by brogers

I don't like Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. You ought to check out who they donate money to before going down that road:

OpenSecrets | Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Invest in Democrats - Capital Eye

Don't you think the CEO's should be held responsible?
They really fucked up big time, it's just not them two look at the GM CEO's..

These mother fuckers get together while playing golf and talk about how to screw the fellow middle class guy and make them selves a hefty load of cash.

**min0 lee** · 09-12-2008, 11:24 AM

Oh ..and welcome back.

**2truSoldier** · 09-12-2008, 11:26 AM

**bio-chem** · 09-12-2008, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I took the headlines from the article itself.
Sarah Palin Defends Experience, Takes Hard Line Approach on National Security
Republican VP Candidate Speaks with ABC News' Charles Gibson in Exclusive Interview

Now lets stop this bickering about the headline and get back to what Palin said.

I thought it was irresponsible to make such a comment, you have to know how to be diplomatic....I
wonder how the Russians took her comments.

ok. i understand that this is a direct quote from the head line. im not saying you came up with it. I still think that the actual words from palin are not that inflamitory. what exactly about palins words do you find so undiplomatic? how exactly was it irresponsible? my last post in this thread was her quote. what about that do you not like?

Im usually a big fan of your posts, agree or not i think of them as intelligent. i think this time around you are getting caught up on the headline. after reading her quote i do not think she said we may need to go to war with russia.

**bio-chem** · 09-12-2008, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Don't you think the CEO's should be held responsible?
They really fucked up big time, it's just not them two look at the GM CEO's..

These mother fuckers get together while playing golf and talk about how to screw the fellow middle class guy and make them selves a hefty load of cash.

your starting to sound communist. yea, ceo's make a lot of money. and some decisions end up in financial disaster, but unless they break laws doing it, that is how capitalism works.

**min0 lee** · 09-12-2008, 11:42 AM

Your right, I just got caught up with Brogers that I lost my train of thought

When Gibson said if under the NATO treaty, the United States would have to go to war if Russia again invaded Georgia, Palin responded: "Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help.

"And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable," she told Gibson.

**min0 lee** · 09-12-2008, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by bio-chem

your starting to sound communist. yea, ceo's make a lot of money. and some decisions end up in financial disaster, but unless they break laws doing it, that is how capitalism works.

You would have to go into the other threads to know where I going with that.

My former boss was in charge of Motorola's East Coast district and was college buddies with one of the CEOs there...
the stories of how they operate was pretty messed up.
Communist? Me? I love this country a whole lot and what the way these CEO's beat down on the middle class is sad.
I have a million stories on how they cheat and beat the system.
One example is how they used to abuse the welfare system.....

Another time....later.

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