Thread: What party is the biggest whiner?

The libertarian party.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

The libertarian party.

How so?

i think both equally complain, just about different things. My problem with the democrats complaining is that they do it by complaining that everything the republicans do is wrong, but they give no solutions.

the republicans always complain that the democrats are weak. either on the economy, foreign policy or whatever. it gets old.

As someone who's not partial to any party, I think both sides should STFU.

Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

As someone who's not partial to any party, I think both sides should STFU.

based on the number of political discussion threads here, I would have to say that Republicans certainly enjoy yapping about shit more, but I don't know if that's the same as being whiney.

I get a kick out of pissing people....one group I noticed doesn't really care (which is not good) while the other....well you know.

They both complain equally the republicans though love to complain about what they deem the "liberal" media as if they would prefer to put gag balls in their mouths which is as far from constitutional as it gets. I prefer any parts of each party which fight to keep all of our rights as free as possible, no gun control, right to choose abortion, rights to free speech and freedom of the press, etc....so you can see how I take issue with both sides..... Tipper Gore and her attempts to control music and movies, and this shit about Sarah Palin trying to have books banned from the library that shit pisses me off to no end....

Sarah Palin trying to have books banned from the library

I was going to bring that up but first I need to get some more dirt on Obama.

Didn't Hitler burn books once...........

Both major parties are essentially the same.

Now are you talking about the party representatives being whiners, or are you talking about the party members? Legislators/Reps versus Citizens I mean.

This thread was meant to be a Poll but I timed out.
It's between the two big guys, The Republicans and the Democrats

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I was going to bring that up but first I need to get some more dirt on Obama.

Didn't Hitler burn books once...........

Palin didn't ban any books.

snopes.com: Books Banned by Sarah Palin

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

How so?

They have the most to whine about the current state

Originally Posted by Witmaster

Palin didn't ban any books.

snopes.com: Books Banned by Sarah Palin

She didn't get any banned and that website only disproves the particular list but it doesn't confirm nor deny that she wanted books banned. I heard today that a reporter who had worked on the original story in Wasila remembered one of the books was something like "Pastor I'm Gay" and that Palin's Church was asking her to get it removed from the library. That's why she fired the Librarian because she told Palin that she would object to any requests to remove a book from the shelves...

Originally Posted by maniclion

She didn't get any banned and that website only disproves the particular list but it doesn't confirm nor deny that she wanted books banned. I heard today that a reporter who had worked on the original story in Wasila remembered one of the books was something like "Pastor I'm Gay" and that Palin's Church was asking her to get it removed from the library. That's why she fired the Librarian because she told Palin that she would object to any requests to remove a book from the shelves...

Interesting.

The only credible thing I ever read was that Sarah only INQUIRED about the possibility of removing some (unmentioned) "questionable" books should the need arise. Of course the Librarian objected, and then preceded to wage an underhanded anti-palin campaign.

The stated reasons as to why the librarian was fired was because of her anti-palin position - not because of her refusal to "ban books".

No one can prove that the librarian was fired for this reason. No one can produce a list of books palin wanted banned. At this point it's a she said/she said war of words.

Of course, the anti-Palin crowd will automatically default to anti-palin positions (references to Hitler) while the Pro-Palin crowd will adamantly reject such preposterous allegations.

At the end of the day we're still no closer to the center. People will only believe what they choose to believe. That's the nature of the beast in politics.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I get a kick out of pissing people...

Ouch.. that's got to hurt...

Originally Posted by Witmaster

Of course, the anti-Palin crowd will automatically default to anti-palin positions (references to Hitler) while the Pro-Palin crowd will adamantly reject such preposterous allegations.

I'm not anti- Palin.....yet.
I'm still undecided, McCain seems to be going in a different path, whether he's being honest or just yapping the usual political crap.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I'm not anti- Palin.....yet.
I'm still undecided, McCain seems to be going in a different path, whether he's being honest or just yapping the usual political crap.

Of course. I hear where you're coming from.

However, I see a whole lot of "undecided" people searching and grasping at any possible reason NOT to like Sarah Palin rather than search for reasons to support her. It's unfortunate considering she is a remarkable woman. But then, it's our nature to suspect the worst in people before we offer our trust and allegience.

I have to say though, comparisons to Hitler can appear to be far from "undecided".

It's the first image that came to my mind when I heard about the book banning.

This rumor has been going around for a while.
Nowadays with the internet and the media it's hard to know whats true and what's not true.

The bogus Sarah Palin Banned Books List

By Michelle Malkin • September 6, 2008 12:01 AM


Photoshop: David Lunde
Palin Derangement Syndrome strikes again. This time it’s hysterical librarians and their readers on the Internet disseminating a bogus list of books Gov. Sarah Palin supposedly banned in 1996. Looks like some of these library people failed reading comprehension. Take a look at the list below and you’ll find books Gov. Palin supposedly tried to ban…that hadn’t even been published yet. Example: The Harry Potter books, the first of which wasn’t published until 1998.
The smear merchants who continue to circulate the list also failed to do a simple Google search, which would have showed them that the bogus Sarah Palin Banned Book List is almost an exact copy-and-paste reproduction of a generic list of “Books Banned at One Time or Another in the United States� that has been floating around the Internet for years. STACLUnotes that the official Obama campaign website is also perpetuating the fraud. And it’s spread to craigslist, where some unhinged user is posting images likening Palin to Hitler. Here it is again.
The person who first spread the Palin smear is identified as “Andrew Aucoin,� a commenter on the blog of librarian Jessamyn West. West has done the right thing in keeping the bogus comment up and pointing out in her main post that “there appears to be no truth to the claim made by the commenter, and no further documentation or support for this has turned up.�
It’s a fake. Not true. Total B.S. A lie.
If it gets sent to you by a moonbat friend or family member, set ‘em all straight. Fight the smears. They’ve only just begun.
The bogus Sarah Palin Banned Books List:

This is the list of books Palin tried to have banned. As many of you will notice it is a hit parade for book burners.
A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy’s Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It’s Okay if You Don’t Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley’s Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O’Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women’s Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil’s Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen King
The Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won’t by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth

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From the Anchorage Daily News story that inflamed P.D.S.:

Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so.
According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn’t fully support her and had to go.
Emmons had been city librarian for seven years and was well liked. After a wave of public support for her, Palin relented and let Emmons keep her job.
It all happened 12 years ago and the controversy long ago disappeared into musty files. Until this week. Under intense national scrutiny, the issue has returned to dog her. It has been mentioned in news stories in Time Magazine and The New York Times and is spreading like a virus through the blogosphere.
The stories are all suggestive, but facts are hard to come by. Did Palin actually ban books at the Wasilla Public Library?
…Were any books censored banned? June Pinell-Stephens, chairwoman of the Alaska Library Association’s Intellectual Freedom Committee since 1984, checked her files Wednesday and came up empty-handed.
Pinell-Stephens also had no record of any phone conversations with Emmons about the issue back then. Emmons was president of the Alaska Library Association at the time.

Originally Posted by busyLivin

Ouch.. that's got to hurt...

I meant pissing off.

Right now Palin is all over the news, sadly it's mostly negative.
Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist, Vindictive, And Mean
Wash Post: Palin never visited Iraq as she claimed

Somebody help her out here.

Wait, here we go.
Sliming Palin
September 8, 2008
False Internet claims and rumors fly about McCain's running mate.Summary
We’ve been flooded for the past few days with queries about dubious Internet postings and mass e-mail messages making claims about McCain’s running mate, Gov. Palin. We find that many are completely false, or misleading.
Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she increased funding and signed a bill that will triple per-pupil funding over three years for special needs students with high-cost requirements.
She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term............Sliming Palin"]more[/URL]

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