Former McCain worker, now highly against him. Heres why:

**ImNotNormal** · 10-05-2008, 06:18 PM

Id rather post this in a section where people may be independent, rather than the political section where people bicker back and forth and already know who they support. Im trying to reach out to the independents.

First of all, Im not like many of the right wingers who are completely negative and bash anyone who disagrees with them. "I come in peace", lol. I used to be a strong McCain supporter, and I still am a very right wing person, though Im not a big fan of our President. But now I support Barack Obama for president, because John McCain has shown he is cheap and takes advantage of the American people, along with putting himself first, not "Country First". I should add that I am (or WAS) an assistant director for the McCain campaign for my area...my job was to find info on Obama and publish it. Now I quit, because I see nothing wrong with Obama as a person. I disagree with many of his views, but he has done nothing wrong as a person. And no, I repeat No, Obama wont raise taxes on the average American, only on people who make over 250K per year. Frankly I am very tired of conservatives saying Obama is going to raise taxes, they should be honest and say hes going to raise them on the wealthiest Americans.

So onto McCain: Choosing Sarah Palin as his VP shows he put himself first. Our country is in dire need of new foreign policy, a new economy, heck...a new everything. He goes out and chooses a lady who has no experience at all, simply because of her image. He wanted to attract Hillary Clinton supporters, and feminist women, and he has done just that. He does not know Palin, and her background is scary. He should have chosen someone who has experience, foreign policy knowledge, and can help this COUNTRY, not just his campaign. Everytime I listen to Palin, she says the same things over and over, and reads from the teleprompter, and she refused to interview with anyone until just recently. To me, John McCain is a cheater and put himself before his country. I should add that Sarah Palin, just last month, completely praised Barack Obama. So the fact that she would come out and bash him after praising him completely, just ticks me off a bit. That doesnt tell me "country first". This woman said if Russia invades Georgia, that because we are nato allies with Georgia, that war with Russia would happen....Im sorry, but that is absurd! War with Russia would be the end of the world, and like Vietnam, we would be sending home 500+ body bags a week. The fact that she said that, scares me. This woman is not capable of being VP or President. She is gaining a lot of respect from women voters, thinking that she will help women, yet her very own state of Alaska, has the highest rate of women being abused and assaulted by men, and she did nothing about it. During her debate with Biden, she sounded totally rehearsed. She kept dodging questions, making false accusations, tried to be humorous, and like I said...sounded like she was reading from a script, she didnt know answers to what she was asked, she just said what her campaign told her to say. She sounded scared, and had little confidence. Imagine if she met with the President of Iran or North Korean leaders, she'd faint.

Along with that, John McCain criticizes Barack Obama for every little mistake he makes. Just the other day, criticizing him for the "lipstick" comment, when months ago, McCain himself made the same comment towards Hillary Clinton. Now Obama is stuck, he knows that anything he does wrong, is going to get him criticized. Another thing I couldnt stand about Palin was her speech; all she did was talk negatively about her opponent, and made almost no effort to talk about what she will do as VP, along with trying to make model shots like her speech was some photo shoot. Now the media loves Palin, and its making people love her....but not me. She also said the war in Iraq is a task from God....do I even need to explain to you all why thats scary? Shes mixing politics with religion....not good. I guarantee if Obama said that, he would have lost the election because of it. I used to speak against Obama for having little experience, then McCain put someone as his VP who has no experience. It doesnt make sense. At least Obama put Joseph Biden as his VP, someone who is the head of the Foreign Policy Committee in the senate, and who can change our Foreign Policy...to me that shows Obama is putting his country first. He keeps speaking of change, and I think Biden is perfect for change, because this country is in desperate need of foreign policy change.

Why do people like to elect someone who is completely negative? Time and time again, negativity has shown to win. Being negative and bashing your opponent, has shown to work. I dont understand why, I certainly dont want a president who is completely negative and bashes his opponent every time he says something a little out of context, or everytime he disagrees.

Another thing I dont like is how the McCain campaign treats Obama like dirt. I disagree quite a bit with Obamas policies, but the truth is he IS a human being. McCain is running the same kind of campaign that Bush ran in 2000 and 2004, bashing his opponent left and right, and look where Bush took us. They made silly accusations of Obama. Obama has said several times that Palin's family is off limits, and over and over again the McCain campaign accused Obama of going after Palin's family.....well me being a conservative, I can tell you right now I did not see how Obama went after Palin's family, so that accusation really is wrong.

I disapprove of the way McCain is running his campaign. I dont think its right at all for people to put down Obama for his skin color, religion, or little comments he made. I dont necessarily agree with Obama's way of thinking, but this country needs CHANGE...and a young black man is change, not somebody who voted with President Bush 90% of the time and then goes and picks someone for VP just for her image and media frenzy, because that my friends, is lame and cheap. People need to give the man a chance. Give Obama a chance. I know I will. Everyone said that Bill Clinton was too young and inexperienced before he took office, and look how good our economy, gas prices, and overall way of living was with Clinton.

I as a conservative, know very well if every registered voter, actually voted, the Republicans would probably have 20 seats in Congress, and 10 in the Senate. The Republicans lost 250,000 voters since 2004, and the Democrats gained 2 million voters. States which Bush won by very little, have gained hundreds of thousands of registered democrat voters. John Kerry lost Virginia by about 200,000 votes, meanwhile...about 850,000 people in Virginia did not vote, and out of those 850K, 610K were registered democrats. In Oklahoma, 71% of registered voters are democrats, yet Oklahoma always goes to the Republicans. John Kerry also lost Ohio by a small amount, but I do not have the numbers...and since 2004, Ohio now has 600,000 newly registered democrats, and lost 40,000 registered republicans. Florida has added 400,000 registered democrats since 2004 and lost 150,000 registered republicans. This goes to show that people need to start stepping up and voting. McCain further made me more against him during the debate, by making false accusations and interrupting every 5 seconds like a child. Lastly, McCain wants to give ExxonMobil 4 billion in tax breaks. When these CEOs are making more and more money, and our paychecks are getting worse...somethings wrong. And 4 billion in tax breaks to Exxon, isnt gonna help. Exxon, a company that just made a 120 billion dollar profit.

You're more than welcome to pass this on.

**TexanTA1996** · 10-05-2008, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by ImNotNormal

No, Obama wont raise taxes on the average American, only on people who make over 250K per year.

lol, right.

The richest 10% of this country PAYS 70% OF THIS COUNTRY'S TAXES. Seventy Percent. How much more would you like them to pay?

Obama's economic plan is a fucking disaster.

**JailHouse** · 10-05-2008, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

lol, right.

The richest 10% of this country PAYS 70% OF THIS COUNTRY'S TAXES. Seventy Percent. How much more would you like them to pay?

Obama's economic plan is a fucking disaster.

They also take home 70% more than the average Joe.

**min0 lee** · 10-05-2008, 06:46 PM

I See...........

**lnvanry** · 10-05-2008, 07:02 PM

If you can't stomach the types of actions you deemed "inappropriate" in the OP, then you had business being in federal (especially presidential) politics. The actions you describe were just surface marks...what were you? a volunteer?

<<sigh>> I can respect your idealism, but that type of approach is used in both camps, every election. Get used to it if you want to be in the business....otherwise looks somewhere else for employment

besides, I smell spam from a moveon.org source (or something like it). I have a friend who writes up pieces like this for disinformation and viral marketing.

just my 2 cents

**danzik17** · 10-05-2008, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by JailHouse

They also take home 70% more than the average Joe.

Far more than 70%. The richest 10% take home well over 1000% of the average American family salary (I believe it's hovering around 50K these days).

**brogers** · 10-05-2008, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by JailHouse

They also take home 70% more than the average Joe.

That's 100% wrong.

The top 1% pay something like 38% of the taxes in this country, but only account for about 17% of the income.

Don't be a fool, this is an obvious outcome of a "progressive" tax system.

**danzik17** · 10-05-2008, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by brogers

That's 100% wrong.

The top 1% pay something like 38% of the taxes in this country, but only account for about 17% of the income.

Don't be a fool, this is an obvious outcome of a "progressive" tax system.

What is this being based on exactly? Do you have sources?

Though no sources are available for my numbers, the richest 10% take home easily over a million dollars. At an average pay of 50k (again, an assumption), one million dollars would be roughly a 2000% difference, therefore 1000% (500k income) is greatly underestimating it.

**danzik17** · 10-05-2008, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

lol, right.

The richest 10% of this country PAYS 70% OF THIS COUNTRY'S TAXES. Seventy Percent. How much more would you like them to pay?

Obama's economic plan is a fucking disaster.

As personal income they shouldn't be paying more. I feel that a lot of revenue can be generated by eliminating needless subsidies and reforming our tax system to close loopholes in corporate tax law. This would be done alongside of eliminating wasteful spending which can be seen in every facet of the government, though mainly in the DoD due to their outsized portion of the national budget (which I feel should be reduced).

**Big Smoothy** · 10-05-2008, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

lol, right.

The richest 10% of this country PAYS 70% OF THIS COUNTRY'S TAXES. Seventy Percent. How much more would you like them to pay?

Please provide a link.

**CORUM** · 10-06-2008, 12:03 AM

well former mccain worker how do you explain this since obama is SOOO great!!!

**KentDog** · 10-06-2008, 12:04 AM

An article I read the other day that mentions some numbers:
Make $32K? You're in the richer 50% - MSN Money

**tucker01** · 10-06-2008, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by JailHouse

They also take home 70% more than the average Joe.

Ah so because they were smart enough and worked hard enough to figure out a way to earn that kind of money. They should be punished?

**brogers** · 10-06-2008, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by danzik17

What is this being based on exactly? Do you have sources?

Though no sources are available for my numbers, the richest 10% take home easily over a million dollars. At an average pay of 50k (again, an assumption), one million dollars would be roughly a 2000% difference, therefore 1000% (500k income) is greatly underestimating it.

Top 1% make ~17-20% of all income in the country, yet they pay ~38-40% of all federal income tax. This is IRS data. Feel free to look yourself. I don't feel like digging through the IRS website to find the .xls file out of 1000's. Here's the Tax Foundation's summary in PDF file though. http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/ff104.pdf

By the way, the richest 10% are nowhere near "over 1 million." It isn't even close. Even the top 1% is just ~$365K/year. Big bad "rich" people in the top 5-10% are mostly people who bust their asses, or invested $100,000+ in their education to be lawyers/doctors.

**brogers** · 10-06-2008, 06:51 AM

TexanTA is dead-on the money, top 10% do pay 70% of the nation's income taxes. Top 10% is people who make just a little bit above $100k/year.

**min0 lee** · 10-06-2008, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by KentDog

An article I read the other day that mentions some numbers:
Make $32K? You're in the richer 50% - MSN Money

But get this: When it comes to taxes paid, an even wider discrepancy shows itself, in reverse. Those earners in the top 1% pay 39.89% of all federal individual income taxes. The bottom 50% of earners pay just 2.99% of those taxes.

**TexanTA1996** · 10-06-2008, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

Please provide a link.

The data is listed on the website posted above. It's pretty common knowledge, or at least I thought so. Did you honestly not know that the richest people in this country pay the lion's share of the taxes?

**mcguin** · 10-06-2008, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

lol, right.

The richest 10% of this country PAYS 70% OF THIS COUNTRY'S TAXES. Seventy Percent. How much more would you like them to pay?

Obama's economic plan is a fucking disaster.

COULD NOT BE MORE RIGHT!!!

**mcguin** · 10-06-2008, 11:17 AM

[QUOTE=IainDaniel;1829165]Ah so because they were smart enough and worked hard enough to figure out a way to earn that kind of money. They should be punished?[

This is the million dollar question every liberal on the planet can't answer.

**ALBOB** · 10-06-2008, 11:40 AM

There's something fundamentally wrong with the "only tax the rich" mentality. Stop and answer this question, who are these rich people? They're the ones who own and/or run the companies. If you tax them higher you're trying to take what it rightfully theirs, they EARNED it. So, if you try and take more of it, what are they going to do? They're going to do what they've always done, figure out a way to make more. How do they do that? They lower their expenses, thus brining their net income closer to their gross income. How do they do that? They cut jobs. That's for the larger companies. The vast majority of companies simply won't be able to operate and will go out of business. Yep, more jobs lost. It's mind boggling how many people don't get this. It's what always happens when taxes are raised. It's why LOWERING taxes is better for the country and actually INCREASES the federal income. More jobs, more people paying taxes. What part of that don't people understand???

**Dale Mabry** · 10-06-2008, 03:53 PM

I would like to point out that these numbers are based off of reported income, i.e., what these people report to the government, which is probably nowhere near what they actually make.

IMO, taxes don't need to be raised, but when you bail out companies and invade other countries, someone has to pay for it.

**TexanTA1996** · 10-06-2008, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I would like to point out that these numbers are based off of reported income, i.e., what these people report to the government

Who are "these people"? Are you claiming that every person who makes over 250k is guilty of tax evasion? That's ridiculous.

**Dale Mabry** · 10-07-2008, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

Who are "these people"? Are you claiming that every person who makes over 250k is guilty of tax evasion? That's ridiculous.

No, not tax evasion, they just hide their money well within the limits of the law. IMO, there is nothing wrong with that, if i was up there I would be doing the same thing.

The stats from IRS.gov won't include charitable contributions and other things not included in AGI.

**min0 lee** · 10-07-2008, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

No, not tax evasion, they just hide their money well within the limits of the law. IMO, there is nothing wrong with that, if i was up there I would be doing the same thing.

The owners from my old company did this all the time.

2 of the bosses wives got to drive nice "company cars'' while the men drove broken down service vans....I would also do the same.

**maniclion** · 10-07-2008, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

IMO, taxes don't need to be raised, but when you bail out companies and invade other countries, someone has to pay for it.

Exactly! When I hear either candidate saying they won't raise taxes I know they are lying, someone is going to have to pay for the handout and the wars and the wooden arrows.....

**min0 lee** · 10-07-2008, 01:47 PM

**TexanTA1996** · 10-07-2008, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

The stats from IRS.gov won't include charitable contributions and other things not included in AGI.

So you'd rather the government just decide what we should do with our hard earned money, instead of ourselves? Yea, I'd just rather have the government taking money from people than letting them decide where and when to make charitable contributions.

Actually, why not just give our entire paychecks directly to the government? I mean, they're clearly better at decided what we should do with our money. I'm sure they'll put it to good use. Lets give health care over to them as well. I wouldn't mind decreased quality of health care and waiting 3 weeks to get treated for the flu.

**min0 lee** · 10-07-2008, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

So you'd rather the government just decide what we should do with our hard earned money, instead of ourselves? Yea, I'd just rather have the government taking money from people than letting them decide where and when to make charitable contributions.

Actually, why not just give our entire paychecks directly to the government? I mean, they're clearly better at decided what we should do with our money. I'm sure they'll put it to good use. Lets give health care over to them as well. I wouldn't mind decreased quality of health care and waiting 3 weeks to get treated for the flu.

Do you always think for other people?

A few times you were off the mark with Dale.

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