Thread: Al-Jazeera reporting at Palin rally in Ohio, great video

Republicans are the masters of the smear campaign though...Willie Horton...

Originally Posted by busyLivin

C'mon lion.. I know you're smarter than that.

Shall I list the liberal attacks on McCain/Palin? Like her daughter is actually her grandaughter from her incest husband? McCain had an affar, says the NYT with no proof, Obama dangerously lies in a spanish ad saying McCain wants them out... should I continue?

Good luck with that.

I've seen several video of these McCain-Palin rallies.

Whites in semi-rural and rural areas of PA, OH, and other battleground states.

High school educated non-union blue-collar whites. They are not enough to swing the election. Perhaps in a couple of battleground states like IN, and OH, but they are not enough in number.

Also, I've Youtubed Palin's interviews and speeches before she was chosen as VP and her accents and vocabulary were different.

Meanin, she started dropping her "Gs" in -Ing ending words (talkin' workin' goin') after she was chosen.

Palin "worked with her hands." She can "skin a moose."

"Ya know." "That was kinda cool" she stated, as she gave speech to whites in Indiana with the introduction song of "Thunderstruck" by AC/DC.

Pure, white, trash.

Uneducated, poorly read ---> white trash.

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

Meanin, she started dropping her "Gs" in -Ing ending words (talkin' workin' goin') after she was chosen.

Palin "worked with her hands." She can "skin a moose."

"Ya know." "That was kinda cool" she stated, as she gave speech to whites in Indiana with the introduction song of "Thunderstruck" by AC/DC.

Pure, white, trash.

Uneducated, poorly read ---> white trash.

That's pretty dumb.

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

I've seen several video of these McCain-Palin rallies.

Whites in semi-rural and rural areas of PA, OH, and other battleground states.

High school educated non-union blue-collar whites. They are not enough to swing the election. Perhaps in a couple of battleground states like IN, and OH, but they are not enough in number.

Also, I've Youtubed Palin's interviews and speeches before she was chosen as VP and her accents and vocabulary were different.

Meanin, she started dropping her "Gs" in -Ing ending words (talkin' workin' goin') after she was chosen.

Palin "worked with her hands." She can "skin a moose."

"Ya know." "That was kinda cool" she stated, as she gave speech to whites in Indiana with the introduction song of "Thunderstruck" by AC/DC.

Pure, white, trash.

Uneducated, poorly read ---> white trash.

You betcha! Just like Fargo with that accent gonna go back to skinnin' moose with her prom do yesiree bob dontcha know!

Actually she's trying hard to win the white trash uneducated who won't see that George W has used the same good ol boy talk to win over those votes....

Originally Posted by busyLivin

That's pretty dumb.

Originally Posted by maniclion

You betcha! Just like Fargo with that accent gonna go back to skinnin' moose with her prom do yesiree bob dontcha know!

Actually she's trying hard to win the white trash uneducated who won't see that George W has used the same good ol boy talk to win over those votes....

'Rednecks for Obama' defy conventional wisdom
'Rednecks for Obama' defy conventional wisdom
Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 21, 2008

(10-21) 04:00 PDT Rolla, Mo. -- Les Spencer is an atypical Barack Obama supporter. He's a redneck. His buddy Tony Viessman calls himself one, too. Without accessing their inner Jeff Foxworthy, they define redneck as hardworking guys who like to hunt, fish, and maybe pop a beer or two.

"I hunt squirrels, too," Spencer said, in between drags of bummed Pall Malls on Viessman's back porch. "And I like eating turtles."

Spencer and Viessman comprise the sum total of the Rolla, Mo.-born-and-bred "Rednecks for Obama." Unaffiliated with the Obama campaign, it's a home-grown shtick the two retirees invented to address what may be Obama's most serious challenge in becoming commander in chief: winning - or at least not totally losing - the "redneck" vote.

The two retirees have traveled on their own dime to all the debates and the Democratic National Convention to try to convince doubters that Obama is redneck-friendly. "This election is too important," Viessman said.

Obama's 'small-town' gaffe

Every voter worth his deer rifle remembers what Obama told attendees at a San Francisco fundraiser in April. He said small-town voters in Pennsylvania and elsewhere had become "bitter" over losing their jobs. That bitterness caused them to "cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people like them," he said.

Obama told the New York Times recently the statement was "my biggest boneheaded move" of the campaign, saying that he was "clumsily" trying to say the opposite: that since Democrats hadn't done a good job of reaching out to rural voters on cultural issues, they haven't been able to connect with them on economic ones.

Far more than his losing predecessors Al Gore and John Kerry, Obama has traveled to the reddest parts of states like Virginia, North Carolina and Missouri to try to connect. In 2004, George W. Bush won two-thirds of the vote in these rolling hills of Phelps County two hours southwest of St. Louis.

Change is hard'

Viessman was so impressed that Obama was the first presidential candidate to visit Rolla since native Missourian Harry Truman that he made a 3-by-7-foot sign ("Cost me 25 bucks" he said) to welcome him to town.

But visits are only the start of a courtship. Viessman is more succinct in analyzing why fellow rednecks may not be flocking to Obama's campaign.

"Guns," he said. "And that he's black."

"We are just trying to tell people that you don't have to be afraid of Obama," said Spencer, who has done everything from working as a laborer to selling real estate. "He's not going to try to take away your guns, no matter what the NRA says."

"Sometimes change is hard for people," said Viessman, a retired highway patrol officer. "But I don't care if you're black or Oriental or green, if you can do the job. And he can do the job. He's pretty near the smartest guy who's ever run for president."

Cultural wedge issues

In 2004, author Thomas Frank wrote in his bestselling book "What's the Matter with Kansas?" that Republicans had convinced working-class whites to vote against their economic self-interest by appealing to them with cultural wedge issues like abortion, gay rights and gun laws.

Viessman's neo-redneck take on that: "My dad used to say, 'A poor man who votes for a Republican is a fool.' "

But McCain supporters say opposition to Obama goes deeper than race in rural Missouri.

"Race is absolutely an issue to some people, and that is unfortunate," said Missouri state Rep. Jason Brown, a Republican legislator from suburban Kansas City and a McCain supporter who was wounded while serving a tour of duty in Iraq during his legislative term. "But what people should be focusing on is that Barack is too liberal for many people in Missouri, particularly those outside the cities of St. Louis and Kansas City."

K.C. Morrison, a professor of political science at the University of Missouri, said Obama has copied the political playbook of his top Missouri surrogate, Sen. Claire McCaskill, in directly appealing to rural voters with economic and health care issues. Nearly 18 percent of the nation's rural residents didn't have health insurance in 2007, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Economic focus

"While he can't take off the blackness when he goes into these areas, he has made an effort to moderate his views on issues like guns," said Morrison, who concentrates on racial politics. "He also makes a genuine effort to talk about economic issues. The pocketbook issues may cause them to listen to another message in this moment in time."

As for the impact of race in rural Missouri, "that is the great imponderable of this election," Morrison said. "It's unclear."

While "Rednecks for Obama" may have won the hearts - or at least piqued the interest - of the 1.2 million folks who have visited their Web site, rednecks4obama .com, in the six weeks since its launch, not all rednecks are fans.

"So what do (Rednecks for Obama) say a redneck is?" asked Matt Hinds, 27, who lives on the other side of Rolla. When told, he turned to his buddy Jason Boswell and said, "If that's what they say rednecks are, well, that sounds like you."

"You, too," Boswell, 28, said.

But these rednecks aren't Obama fans.

"I think he's a two-talker," said Boswell, who works at a local Wal-Mart. "He'll say something to you that you want to hear, then he'll turn around and say something different to somebody else."

Hard times

The past few months have been tough on both men. Hinds' three kids, playing on a tire swing in the side yard, don't have health care. Boswell, a father of two, worries about how price of groceries has gone up $50 every two weeks and how it now costs $40 more a week to fill his truck up with gas than it did a year ago.

Missouri polls say the economic downturn caused many in the state to support Obama a month ago, pulling him into a virtual tie with McCain. But not Boswell - he will vote for the Republican.

Hinds doesn't vote.

"It doesn't make any difference," Hinds said. "Politicians can say all that they want, but they never do anything that will help poor people."

E-mail Joe Garofoli at jgarofoli@sfchronicle.com.

I hate whitey. I am voting for Obama because he is black. He will free the black people from their terrible oppression.

Originally Posted by KelJu

I hate whitey. I am voting for Obama because he is black. He will free the black people from their terrible oppression.

perfect timing KelJu. as always

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Originally Posted by KelJu

I hate whitey. I am voting for Obama because he is black. He will free the black people from their terrible oppression.

Chris Farley " Kill White!" Rock the Vote....Black Sheep.

Obama Heckled For Not Focusing On Black Issues
John McCain is usually the candidate getting heckled and interrupted on the trail, a product of his open town halls but also the more controversial aspects of his foreign policy.

But on Friday it was Barack Obama who found himself being yelled at -- several times -- by African-American attendees who argued that he ignores "black" issues.

In an appearance in St. Petersburg, Florida, the Illinois Democrat's address was interrupted when several young black males stood up, hoisted a banner that read, "What about the black community, Obama?" and began peppering the Senator for not focusing on their concerns.

Obama told them they would have time to ask questions after the speech was over, and they did. They asked why he was not focusing on issues like the sub-prime mortgage crisis, Jena Six, Sean Bell and "the numerous attacks that are made against the African-American community." Obama responded twofold: telling the hecklers that he had, in fact, been focused on these issues and explaining that there would never be 100% continuity between his agenda and that of the voters.

"Listen, I was a civil rights lawyer," Obama said. "I passed the first racial profiling legislation in Illinois. I passed some of the toughest death penalty reform legislation in Illinois. That doesn't mean I am always going to satisfy the way you want these issues framed... which gives you the option of voting for somebody else, it gives you the option of running for office yourself, those are all options. But the one thing I think is important is, that we are respectful towards each other."

It is rare for Obama to be heckled in a political forum, but it's not terribly surprising that the protest came from a fellow African-American. Moments after he took the man's question, a nearby African-American woman yelled at Obama again. The Senator has trod a thin line on the racial components of this campaign. Witness the uproar over accusations -- made by John McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis -- that he played the race card. And his posture as a post-racial candidate has struck some as discourteous (see: Jesse Jackson). Still, the idea that Obama will get anything short of an overwhelming portion of the black vote seems far-fetched.


Video


Below is the full question and answer exchange:

QUESTION: "In the face of the numerous attacks that are made against the African community or the black community, by the same U.S. government that you aspire to lead. We are talking about attacks like the sub-prime mortgage... that was a phenomenon that started in the African American and Latino community, attacks like the killing of Sean Bell... and the Jena Six... and on and on... in the face of all these attacks, why is it that you have not had the ability to speak to the interest and the behalf of the oppressed and exploited African-American community in this country?"

OBAMA: "I think you are misinformed ... Every issue you talk of I did speak out about. I have been talking about predatory lending for the last two years in the U.S. Senate and worked to pass legislation to prevent it when I was in the state legislature. I have repeatedly said that many of the predatory loans that were made in the mortgage system did target the African American and Latino communities.

"Jena Six, I was the first candidate to get out there and say this is wrong, that an injustice what had been done... When Sean Bell got shot I put out a statement saying immediately this is a problem...

"Don't start shouting back, I'm just answering your question. On each of these issues I have spoken out. I may not have spoken out the way you have wanted me to speak out. Which is fine. I understand. On each of these issues you have mentioned I have spoken out and I have spoken out forcefully. Listen, I was a civil rights lawyer. I passed the first racial profiling legislation in Illinois. I passed some of the toughest death penalty reform legislation in Illinois.

"That doesn't mean I am always going to satisfy the way you want these issues framed... which gives you the option of voting for somebody else, it gives you the option of running for office yourself, those are all options. But the one thing I think is important is, that we are respectful towards each other. And what is true is that the only way we are going to solve our problems in this country is if all of us come together, black white, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, young, old, disabled, gay, straight... that has got to be our agenda."

Originally Posted by KelJu

I hate whitey. I am voting for Obama because he is black. He will free the black people from their terrible oppression.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

perfect timing KelJu. as always

I am lost?

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I am lost?

Since its a question..

Yes.

Originally Posted by AKIRA

Since its a question..

Yes.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I am lost?

on political topics people start thinking with emotion and less with logic or even making intelligent comments. I took KelJu's comment as one that brings the humor back into the discussion to let people realize as bad as obama is going to be as president it isn't the end of the world and our day to day stuff won't change much.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

on political topics people start thinking with emotion and less with logic or even making intelligent comments. I took KelJu's comment as one that brings the humor back into the discussion to let people realize as bad as obama is going to be as president it isn't the end of the world and our day to day stuff won't change much.

How do you know he is?

Why would you say he is going to be a bad one?

I always look on the bright side, I rather come here and post daily tirades about how Obama is fucking up and "Told you so" then listen to you bleeding hearts talk about McCain stealing it for the next 2 years.

Originally Posted by Splash Log

I always look on the bright side, I rather come here and post daily tirades about how Obama is fucking up and "Told you so" then listen to you bleeding hearts talk about McCain stealing it for the next 2 years.

Serously though, I pray the next President does a good job.

I don't care who he is, what color, gender or party. It shouldn't be about selfish issues. Damn.

Just bring it back on it's feet.

See, now this scares me.
While Obama has no experiance and is an unknown, McCain has experiance....in lying from what I see in this video.

The days are dwindling, I think I am swaying to the.........

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Serously though, I pray the next President does a good job.

I don't care who he is, what color, gender or party. It shouldn't be about selfish issues. Damn.

Just bring it back on it's feet.

I am a pretty die-hard conservative, and I really don't like either party at the moment. But the last month I stopped going on the attack because I am coming to grips with the fact Obama is gonna win, at least if the election was today. I still prefer McCain, but I am gonna give Obama a chance and not just be pissed off looking for every mistake. What I find scariest is what Biden is gonna do when he fills in, I really do not like that man or anything he stands for.

Not many people were happy with Biden as VP, but then again Palin wasn't a great choice. I thought she was a good pick till I she was exposed.

The Libs were smart in trying to keep his mouth shut, you already heard the stupidity that came out of his mouth about anticipating a disaster.

Now if they only kept Palin quiet then she wouldn't sound so stupid.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Not many people were happy with Biden as VP, but then again Palin wasn't a great choice. I thought she was a good pick till I she was exposed.

The Libs were smart in trying to keep his mouth shut, you already heard the stupidity that came out of his mouth about anticipating a disaster.

Now if they only kept Palin quiet then she wouldn't sound so stupid.

Ohh yea they have Biden locked up and the key is in a time-realeased safe to open on @ 9pm on Nov. 4th. I still think McCain has a higher life expectancy in office then Obama, sadly.

Originally Posted by Splash Log

Ohh yea they have Biden locked up and the key is in a time-realeased safe to open on @ 9pm on Nov. 4th. I still think McCain has a higher life expectancy in office then Obama, sadly.

Hah....the Secret Service will surely work overtime protecting him,there was already a threat on his life.

God I hope it doesn't happen, can you imagine the riots?

Originally Posted by min0 lee

How do you know he is?

Why would you say he is going to be a bad one?

the only democrat president I have known was bill clinton. bill clinton had a republican congress. they fought and had to compromise on everything. the government that governs best, governs least. obama will have a majority in congress. any national program he wants he will get. guns, aid, taxes. there is no one to say no to him.

Clinton got the brady bill passed. 10 years later it quietly expired because it was ineffective. everyone knew it would be ineffective legislation. where will the balance come for obama? what will there be to balance out his socialist agenda. If we had a republican congress to balance out obama i would consider voting for him. the 90's was a great economic time for the US.

right now the country faces 2 problems. wars abroad and economic times domestically. by my measuring stick obama will fail. as much as the dems talk about bringing our troops home everyone knows that we are committed. we can't pull out prematurely and leave a void in the middle east. the dems talked big 2 years ago and then did nothing because they knew to pull them out then would be worse than staying. so no matter who is president the wars abroad will have the same outcome.

for our domestic economy i can't see how raising taxes to "spread the wealth" does any good. medicare and medicaid is a drain on our health care's resources. to make major expansions will cripple it. we will receive worse care. this is a fact as i see it. the best health care in the world is right here in america. that is a fact. to move to a national system will bring us down to other countries standards. not raise it.

I am fundamentally opposed to the idea that the government should do for the people what they should do for themselves.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Hah....the Secret Service will surely work overtime protecting him,there was already a threat on his life.

God I hope it doesn't happen, can you imagine the riots?

No its scary, both of us are in cities and will be in the heart of it. I am afraid of what will happen if Obama losses the election. Actually made me consider buing a gun for the first time, but I decided I didn't want the responsibility.

Am I blind? How do you guys know Obama is prolly going to win?

Originally Posted by AKIRA

Am I blind? How do you guys know Obama is prolly going to win?

That's what I want to know.

I believe Kerry had similar numbers and he still lost.