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    It's official: Recession began in December 2007

    It's official: Recession began in December 2007
    By Martin Crutsinger
    The Associated Press

    A sale sign is posted at a jewelry store in Daly City, Calif., Monday, Nov. 24, 2008. (AP | Paul Sakuma)

    WASHINGTON — The U.S. economy has been in a recession since December 2007, the National Bureau of Economic Research said today.

    The NBER — a private, nonprofit research organization — said its group of academic economists who determine business cycles met and decided that the U.S. recession began last December.

    By one benchmark, a recession occurs whenever the gross domestic product, the total output of goods and services, declines for two consecutive quarters. The GDP turned negative in the July-September quarter of this year, and many economists believe it is falling in the current quarter at an even sharper rate.

    But the NBER's dating committee uses broader and more precise measures, including employment
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    The White House commented on the news that a second downturn has officially begun on President George W. Bush's watch without ever actually using the word "recession," a term the president and his aides have repeatedly avoided. Instead, spokesman Tony Fratto remarked upon the fact that NBER "determines the start and end dates of business cycles." "What's important is what is being done about it," Fratto said. "The most important things we can do for the economy right now are to return the financial and credit markets to normal, and to continue to make progress in housing, and that's where we'll continue to focus." Many economists believe the current downturn will be the most severe since the 1981-82 recession. The country is being battered by the most severe financial crisis since the 1930s as banks struggle to deal with billions of dollars in loan losses.

    The Bush administration won approval from Congress on Oct. 3 for a $700 billion rescue package for the financial system. Bush said in an interview with ABC's "World News" to be aired today that he would support additional intervention if necessary to end the recession.

    "I'm sorry it's happening, of course," Bush said, referring to a global financial crisis that has eliminated millions of jobs and damaged retirement accounts.

    Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said today that further interest rate cuts were possible but he cautioned that there were limits to how much such action will be able to revive an economy expected to remain weak well into next year.

    "Although further reductions ... are certainly feasible, at this point the scope for using conventional interest rate policies to support the economy is obviously limited," Bernanke said in a speech to business executives in Austin, Texas. The Fed is widely expected to cut a key interest rate when officials next meet on Dec. 15-16.

    Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said the Bush administration is looking for more ways to tap a $700 billion financial rescue program and will consult with Congress and the incoming administration of President-elect Barack Obama.

    "While we are making progress, the journey ahead will continue to be a difficult one," Paulson said in a speech to business executives in Washington. "But I have confidence that we are pursuing the right strategy to stabilize the financial system and support the flow of credit into our economy." In his remarks today, Paulson did not provide specifics on what type of programs the administration had under consideration other than to say that it was looking at ways to boost capital into financial institutions.

    Asked about the NBER panel's decision that the U.S. fell into a recession in December 2007, Paulson said that he didn't think that decision was going to be "big news" to Americans who have been dealing with the slowdown for some time.

    He said that a year ago, the administration could see that the economy was slowing significantly and that officials had moved very quickly to respond to the challenges, an apparent reference to the $168 billion economic stimulus plan that Paulson helped push through Congress last February.

    Two new reports provided a grim snapshot of how steep the economic slump is becoming. The Commerce Department reported today that construction spending fell by a larger-than-expected 1.2 percent in October, while the Institute for Supply Management said its gauge of manufacturing activity dropped to a 26-year low in November.

    The GDP contracted by 0.2 percent at an annual rate in the fourth quarter of 2007, but that that drop was followed growth in the first two quarters of this year, partially boosted by the distribution of millions of economic stimulus payments.

    However, employment, one of the measurements tracked by the NBER, has been falling since January.

    The NBER decision means that the economic expansion lasted from November 2001 until December 2007. Economic expansions peak and recessions begin in the same month, according to the NBER's dating methods. Founded in 1920, the NBER has more than 1,000 university professors and researchers who act as bureau associates, studying how the economy works.

    The decision on the recession means that during the eight years that Bush has been in office, the country has seen two recessions.

    The first downturn lasted from March 2001 until November of that year.

    It's official: Recession began in December 2007 - The Denver Post

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    I think most of us have known this. Why they try to deny it beats me.






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    I'm really happy about it.
    So many cries of inequality stem from one of group
    of people doing little or nothing and then bitching
    about another group that actually does something
    to improve their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    I think most of us have known this. Why they try to deny it beats me.
    Election year.

    Also, the BLS U3 unemployment rate is a lie, as well as the GDP and inflation numbers are lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    I think most of us have known this. Why they try to deny it beats me.
    of course, but now it's "official".

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    I'm glad I graduated and got a job before the effects of the recession really became noticable and employers enacted hiring freezes. A few of my friends who graduated after me are jobless and going back to school because they feel it is their only option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KentDog View Post
    I'm glad I graduated and got a job before the effects of the recession really became noticable and employers enacted hiring freezes. A few of my friends who graduated after me are jobless and going back to school because they feel it is their only option.
    True but do you feel that you have job security and have no chance of being laid off? Or that the company you work for is stable and would never go out of business?

    If so then that is awesome, and you are very lucky
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fetusaurus Rex View Post
    True but do you feel that you have job security and have no chance of being laid off? Or that the company you work for is stable and would never go out of business?

    If so then that is awesome, and you are very lucky
    I feel very safe in my current position. My company isn't huge, but it has been doing very well this year with nearly every month being a "top 10" record month since I have started. I also honestly feel that I am one of the strongest players in my department if not the strongest. However, I'd already like to move on elsewhere for more money and better living (bigger, warmer city with more things to do).

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    After Xmas we'll see more of a slowdown.

    Meaning, the unemployment will go up, more retailers will fold, and....

    commercial real-estate will start defaulting.

    Commercial real-estate will be the next shoe to drop, as the loans are 5, 7, and 10 year loans with balloon payments at the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KentDog View Post
    I'm glad I graduated and got a job before the effects of the recession really became noticable and employers enacted hiring freezes. A few of my friends who graduated after me are jobless and going back to school because they feel it is their only option.

    yeah, I'm finishing my masters next week in int'l biz and I have to move back in w/ my parents or my fiance's sister...I'm 26 and this was NOT in the plan I can't wait for those graduate student loans to start compounding on the 12th of december with no income

    oh well, it could be worse i guess....maybe I'll just ask Rob for a job at IM...lol

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