Thread: Bush dynasty? Ex-president touts son Jeb for top job

pffft, if America voted in another Bush I would def have to flee the country. maybe I would illegally immigrate to Mexico......Nah, Canada...Yea Canada.

It is fucking cold up here.

If I remember Correctly..... Jeb actually did good for the state of Florida?

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

It is fucking cold up here.

If I remember Correctly..... Jeb actually did good for the state of Florida?

Until he helped rig the second G W election?

"Durrr we don't know how to vote down here...Therefore we default our votes to G W Bush"

lol jk

It's a conspiracy!

Originally Posted by Fetusaurus Rex

pffft, if America voted in another Bush I would def have to flee the country. maybe I would illegally immigrate to Mexico......Nah, Canada...Yea Canada.

My thoughts exactly!

ok, i see all of the animosity towards the current president bush, but can someone explain to me how the first bush was so bad? or why everyone thinks the jeb will be the same as his older brother if put in the white house?

Supposedly Jeb is the smart/talented one of the lot, but the name is tainted by now.

How about no more Bushes, no more Kennedys, no more Clinton's, no more Adams...I will however take a Roosevelt.


By the way Bush and Obama are tenth cousins once removed! Yikes!

Originally Posted by bio-chem

ok, i see all of the animosity towards the current president bush, but can someone explain to me how the first bush was so bad? or why everyone thinks the jeb will be the same as his older brother if put in the white house?

What was good about the Elder Bush, just want to know your opinion.


Bush screwed it up for Jeb, why take a risk.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

How about no more Bushes, no more Kennedys, no more Clinton's, no more Adams...I will however take a Roosevelt.


By the way Bush and Obama are tenth cousins once removed! Yikes!

you have something against our 2nd and 6th presidents do you?

Originally Posted by min0 lee

What was good about the Elder Bush, just want to know your opinion.


Bush screwed it up for Jeb, why take a risk.

the guy should be judged on his own merits not on his brothers. i don't think jeb is any greater risk than obama or anyone else just because of who his brother is.

and i think the elder bush did a great job in foreign policy. the fall of the berlin wall and communism in russia as well as the first gulf war were all handled well in my opinion. it's true I was young at this time, but i like to think i have a fair grasp of history

Originally Posted by bio-chem

you have something against our 2nd and 6th presidents do you?

That was part of a joke that didn't take off.

the guy should be judged on his own merits not on his brothers. i don't think jeb is any greater risk than obama or anyone else just because of who his brother is.

No way, too much at stake. Once bitten twice shy.
I don't care to take a chance.

and i think the elder bush did a great job in foreign policy. the fall of the berlin wall and communism in russia as well as the first gulf war were all handled well in my opinion. it's true I was young at this time, but i like to think i have a fair grasp of history

They did good on the first Gulf war.

Hasselhoff claims he had hand in Berlin Wall falling
The actor and producer, who says he is working on a film version of TV series Knight Rider, claims he is partly responsible for the fall of the concrete divide.

Speaking to German magazine TV Spielfilm, Hasselhoff said in 1989, the year the wall fell, he had helped reunite the country by singing his song 'Looking for Freedom' among millions of German fans at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin.

I think Reagan had more to do with the Berlin wall than Bush did....not sure but I'll do a search and fill it with wacky cartoons, facts and wait for the wacky opinions.

note April 14, 2005: this editorial cartoon appeared in the LA Times on 4/11/05
(The new Polish pope's visit to his homeland in 1979 helped spark the Solidarity movement;
the pope's continuing support of Solidarity and its dedication to non-violence helped Gorbachev
to keep the transformations in eastern Europe non-violent. In 1992 Gorby praised JP II for his role.)

LA Times, 11/7/04: D'Souza, Reagan Tore Down Berlin Wall, + letters


LA Times, Nov. 7, 2004

COMMENTARY
It Was Reagan Who Tore Down That Wall
He was the prime mover behind the Soviet collapse.

By Dinesh D'Souza
Dinesh D'Souza, a Hoover Institution fellow, is author of "Ronald Reagan: How an Ordinary Man Became an Extraordinary Leader" (The Free Press, 1997). Website: dineshdsouza.com

As we celebrate the 15th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall on Tuesday, it's worth asking how and why did the wall come tumbling down? I argue that it was Ronald Reagan's statesmanship that brought it down and hastened the collapse of the Soviet empire. Reagan didn't do it alone, but without him it probably wouldn't have happened.

As early as 1981, when almost everyone considered the Soviet empire a permanent fixture of the international landscape, Reagan spoke at the University of Notre Dame, predicting that "the West won't contain communism; it will transcend communism." The next year, he told the British Parliament that freedom and democracy would "leave Marxism-Leninism on the ash heap of history." The wise men in the media and academia scoffed. Today these same pundits maintain that the Soviet Union collapsed because of economic failure, or that Mikhail Gorbachev was responsible.

This analysis makes no sense. Sure, the Soviet Union had economic problems, but it had been ailing for most of the century. Never has a great empire imploded because of poor economic performance alone.

Like many empires suffering from domestic strains, the Soviets during the 1970s compensated by pursuing an aggressive foreign policy. Between 1974 and 1980, 10 countries fell into the Soviet orbit: South Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, South Yemen, Angola, Mozambique, Ethiopia, Nicaragua, Grenada and Afghanistan. The Soviet nuclear arsenal surpassed that of the U.S., and the Soviets targeted a new generation of missiles at Western Europe. The Soviet Union in 1980 seemed to be in the vanguard of history.

It is no less problematic to attribute the Soviet collapse to Gorbachev. He was undoubtedly a reformer, but the communist bosses did not put him in power in 1985 to lead the party, and the regime, over the precipice.

Nor did Gorbachev see this as his role. He insisted throughout the second half of the 1980s that he sought to invigorate the economy in order to strengthen the military. The Politburo supported his reforms because he promised "regained confidence in the party." No one was more surprised than Gorbachev when the Soviet regime disintegrated.

The only man who foresaw the Soviet collapse and implemented policies to bring it about was Reagan. During his first term Reagan pursued tough policies aimed at curtailing the Soviet nuclear threat and stopping Soviet advances around the world. Calling the Soviets an "evil empire," Reagan initiated a massive defense buildup. He deployed Pershing and cruise missiles in Europe. He sent weapons and other assistance to anti-communist guerrillas in Soviet satellites like Afghanistan, Angola and Nicaragua. He announced a new program of missile defenses that would eventually "make nuclear weapons obsolete."

These measures were fiercely resisted by liberal Democrats, who decried Reagan's policies as confrontational and likely to make nuclear war more likely. But Reagan's military buildup and his missile defense program threatened the Soviets with an arms race they could ill afford. His doctrine of aid to anti-communist guerrillas halted Soviet advances in the Third World: Between 1980 and 1985, not an inch of real estate fell into Moscow's hands.

It was Reagan who was responsible for thwarting Soviet gains and spurring a loss of nerve that contributed to the elevation of Gorbachev to power. Gorbachev's policies were responses to circumstances created not by him but by Reagan. Ilya Zaslavsky, who served in the Congress of People's Deputies, said later that the true originator of glasnost and perestroika was not Gorbachev but Reagan.

Jeb is a smart guy. Much smarter than GW, but it's too late now.

It's about burnout, fatigue, and the

FAMILY NAME:

It's over.

Don't even think about it.

Remember what Jeb Bush said last year:

"No tengo futuro."

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Hasselhoff claims he had hand in Berlin Wall falling
The actor and producer, who says he is working on a film version of TV series Knight Rider, claims he is partly responsible for the fall of the concrete divide.

Speaking to German magazine TV Spielfilm, Hasselhoff said in 1989, the year the wall fell, he had helped reunite the country by singing his song 'Looking for Freedom' among millions of German fans at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin.

No you idiot, it was The Boss.
Reuters: Who Felled the Berlin Wall? How 'Bout Bruce Springsteen! (No, They're SERIOUS)

In one of the most ridiculous examples of unbridled hyperbole, Reuters has decided that singer Bruce Springsteen is the one responsible for bringing down the Berlin Wall and ending the Cold War. Yes, that's Bruce "Scorn in the USA" Springsteen, one of the most anti-American rockers on the scene. I know what you're thinking, "But what about Ronald Reagan?" Forget it, man, it's Bruce all the way as far as Reuters is concerned. Maybe it was his gravely warbling that Joshua-like brought those walls tumblin' down, maybe his caterwauling is what turned the trick, but, quite despite any common sense and in a childishly, foolish and overly simplistic review of history, Reuters is sure that Bruce is the hero of Berlin. It is a great example of reductio ad absurdo if there ever was one, not that Reuters is aware of it.

This Reuters piece is so filled with nonsense, so blind to all the complicated political and social influences that really ended the Cold War, that it is hard to know where to start reviewing it. I can but shake my head at its simple minded analysis.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I think Reagan had more to do with the Berlin war than Bush did....not sure but I'll do a search and fill it with wacky cartoons, facts and wait for the wacky opinions.

let me rephrase. im not giving him credit for the berlin wall falling down or communism ending in russia. im giving him credit for how he guided the US response to these major political world changes

Originally Posted by bio-chem

let me rephrase. im not giving him credit for the berlin wall falling down or communism ending in russia. im giving him credit for how he guided the US response to these major political world changes

Funny thing is that this site gives him a bit of credit for for bringing it down the Wall..

George H.W. Bush

A major Bush accomplishment in 1991 was the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START), signed in July with Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev at their fourth summit conference, marking the end of the long weapons buildup.

President Bush's leadership proved critical to the resolution of some of the most daunting conflicts of the time. After 40 years of superpower stalemate, historic events became nearly commonplace: the fall of the Berlin Wall and the reunification of Germany, the end of the Cold War and the flowering of democracy in Eastern Europe, the emergence of a new partnership with Russia, anchored by the historic arms reduction treaties; START I and START II — the first-ever agreements to dismantle and destroy strategic weapons since the advent of the nuclear age.

Now this is also on the same site.....it claims he had a hand in NAFTA...whereas everyone here blames Clinton for....

On the international economic front

President Bush sought to seize new opportunities through a policy of free trade, pushing to lower trade restrictions and tariff barriers in the GATT talks. In this hemisphere, President Bush's free trade efforts culminated in the Enterprise for the Americas initiative and the North American Free Trade Agreement, (NAFTA). With the passing of the Cold War came new challenges, including seeking to demonstrate the post-Cold War possibilities of collective security.



this also....

Bush's initial Cabinet choices reflected a balanced choice for an efficient, nonideological government. With his usual cautious instinct, in 1990 he nominated to the Supreme Court the erudite David H. Souter, known to have broadly conservative views.

In his first year, Bush was confronted with the Lebanese hostage crisis, the Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska, and the continuing War on Drugs. His public approval soared following the invasion of Panama in late 1989, but a spectacular budget deficit and the savings and loan crisis caused the president's popularity to dip sharply in his second year. That decline followed Bush's relinquishment of his famed campaign "no new taxes" pledge as he sat down with congressional leaders to tame the budget deficit and deal with a flagging economy

The S & L scandal ......recession....yup...

Originally Posted by bio-chem

the fall of the berlin wall and communism in russia as well as the first gulf war were all handled well in my opinion. it's true I was young at this time, but i like to think i have a fair grasp of history

Can you explain this some more? what do you mean be handling communism well?

Originally Posted by KelJu

Can you explain this some more? what do you mean be handling communism well?

a few posts down i clarified that i meant his handling of our response to these world changes

Originally Posted by bio-chem

a few posts down i clarified that i meant his handling of our response to these world changes

No! No take backs!

It's not often you make a mistake, but when you do it's fun.

Description

On June 12, 1987, President Ronald Reagan delivered a major speech on the Cold War with the Brandenburg Gate and the Berlin Wall as a back drop. In staging this speech, President Reagan hoped to draw a parallel with the historic speech delivered in Berlin by President John F. Kennedy in July 1963. It was in this speech that President Kennedy spoke the famous phrase: "All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Berlin, and, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words Ich bin ein Berliner "I am a Berliner]." In Reagan's 1987 talk, he recalled this famous speech and added his own historic phrase: "Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

Originally Posted by bio-chem

a few posts down i clarified that i meant his handling of our response to these world changes

I didn't see the clarification. I got it now.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

No! No take backs!

It's not often you make a mistake, but when you do it's fun.

from you that shall always be a compliment

Jeb Bush was great as Gov when I lived in FL. Aside from the Schiavo thing, he was perfect. I wouldn't mind seeing him in there, but he may have to wait a couple of elections because peeps blame G-dub for everything.

Fool us once shame on you, fool us twice, shame shame on..... can't get fooled again hehehe