Thread: Gov. proposes shortening school year

good thinking because our children's education is not very important.

Increasing or decreasing the amount of days doesn't matter. What matter's is how that time is organized and applied in the class room.

Speaking as a teacher... this is lunacy.

Now, granted, I teach in Canada, but the system is similar.

Our government, just like America's, sets fairly high and idealistic standards. It is indeed very difficult to meet those standards already. Taking away school days may save money, but it's just another way to decrease the quality of education overall.

*shrug*

I guess if the bottom dollar matters more than your child's education...

Speaking as a student who has recently left high school, 50% of the time is spent fucking about, and not used in a constructive way. Time management is the key, but i suppose that is very difficult when you have a large number of student who dont care whether they learn or not.

Originally Posted by Moondogg

Speaking as a student who has recently left high school, 50% of the time is spent fucking about, and not used in a constructive way. Time management is the key, but i suppose that is very difficult when you have a large number of student who dont care whether they learn or not.

The "fucking about" part is the students; fault. Teacher's definitely have a responsibility to try to instill discipline and order, but that won't work with the kid (often multiple kids) in a class who just don't care - exactly as you said.

Anyway, this is a crazy idea of Arnie's. I doubt it will happen.

50% is a good description of my pre-college years also. Except, elmentry school was a bitch. We were pushed hard then, but by junior high, the students and the teachers were sorry asses.

I didn't adopt the philosophy of life long learning until college.

Californias school system is a joke as it is, they spend crazy amounts of time and money on esl students and the kids who fall through the cracks because of behavioral problems. Compensating for those students cripples the smart ones.

Arnold is trying to cut spending by reducing government employee work days, instead of frivolous government spending, like subsidizing tattoo removal for former gang members.

Originally Posted by Prince

good thinking because our children's education is not very important.

Not only that, but can you imaging the horrible financial burden that places on single parents? Or for families where both parents work?

As for children having "too much time", bullshit. The only reason that they have too much time is that they have parents who don't spend enough time with their children.

Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait

Californias school system is a joke as it is, they spend crazy amounts of time and money on esl students and the kids who fall through the cracks because of behavioral problems. Compensating for those students cripples the smart ones.

Arnold is trying to cut spending by reducing government employee work days, instead of frivolous government spending, like subsidizing tattoo removal for former gang members.

Spot on.

I grew up in Burbank. I graduated from Burbank High School just as the era of lowered expectations started. They started lowering the standards so that all children are "equal". More bullshit. I worked my ass to get good grades. Those that didn't received "F"s. The way it should be.

Now, so that are children are equal, they're letting kids graduate who have to business doing so. And, in my area, they were mostly minorities.

Originally Posted by Prince

good thinking because our children's education is not very important.

I think this 5 less days, shows how bad the California budget is, right now.

Major shortfall.

RIFFING state workers, and cutting services.

However....perhaps the State of CA is too big, and spends to much.

I don't know the details, the CA is in trouble.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Spot on.

I grew up in Burbank. I graduated from Burbank High School just as the era of lowered expectations started. They started lowering the standards so that all children are "equal". More bullshit. I worked my ass to get good grades. Those that didn't received "F"s. The way it should be.

Now, so that are children are equal, they're letting kids graduate who have to business doing so. And, in my area, they were mostly minorities.

I agree, DOMS.

Social promotion is a croc.

Not failing students who are lost or not motivated is a croc.

And yes, most of the worst students I have seen were minorities of primarily two ethnic/racial groups.

You can guess which groups. It's not hard to figure out.

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

I think this 5 less days, shows how bad the California budget is, right now.

Major shortfall.

RIFFING state workers, and cutting services.

However....perhaps the State of CA is too big, and spends to much.

I don't know the details, the CA is in trouble.

arnies scapegoat is the govt workers.

my mom works for the state and busts her ass every day in paroles, and goes home and immediately has to take care of my handicapped sister. arnold suggested cutting state workers amount of work days and the cut would have absolutely KILLED her budget. and its not like she can just get a second job, so people like her that are locked into their jobs and cant get a second one get SCREWED.

Originally Posted by KelJu

I didn't adopt the philosophy of life long learning until college.

I was lucky my father forced me to learn to enjoy learning at a young age hell at 11 I was studying about Buddhism, Zen, Arts, Poetry, Music, Engineering, Electronics on my own if I had depended on my school education to get me by I would be a sack of shit. I know that if I had a kid I would home school him/her public education is a horrible waste of a mind....granted there are some teachers who really inspired me but they were the rare exceptions.....

People should watch what Arnie is doing if he is having parties or other unnecessary wastes of money because I know our Gov. has spent on some dumb shit....

Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait

arnies scapegoat is the govt workers.

my mom works for the state and busts her ass every day in paroles, and goes home and immediately has to take care of my handicapped sister. arnold suggested cutting state workers amount of work days and the cut would have absolutely KILLED her budget. and its not like she can just get a second job, so people like her that are locked into their jobs and cant get a second one get SCREWED.

my mom did the math, it puts her short by 350 bucks a month.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Not only that, but can you imaging the horrible financial burden that places on single parents? Or for families where both parents work?

+1, parents will be burdened with cost of child care during this additional week.

My first thought as I read through some of the posts talking about importance of time management in schools was that although we've all had classes where you wondered why you even showed up that day (other than for attendance), I could not have imagined certain classes I have taken in the past being shortened or having been done much more efficiently without removing important elements of the class itself.

Originally Posted by maniclion

People should watch what Arnie is doing if he is having parties or other unnecessary wastes of money because I know our Gov. has spent on some dumb shit....

+1. At work when one of our big initiatives is cost savings, aka being as fruggal as possible, our managers continue to fly business class and fly often, write many things off, and choose to eat costs when negotiation should be employed, operating expenses should be the first thing scrutinized.

Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait

arnies scapegoat is the govt workers.

my mom works for the state and busts her ass every day in paroles, and goes home and immediately has to take care of my handicapped sister. arnold suggested cutting state workers amount of work days and the cut would have absolutely KILLED her budget. and its not like she can just get a second job, so people like her that are locked into their jobs and cant get a second one get SCREWED.

That is the way it goes.

No offense, but your mom is not ENTITLED to a job, when there is less budget money available.

That is the way it goes.

Well, since our economy is in not so good shape, I think we all have to take some responsibilty and be willing to sacrifice a little bit.
I still don't understand why our leaders decided to export our jobs overseas. If we keep jobs here, more people will have jobs, more people will pay tax, less people will rely on welfare, less people will lose their houses, less people will get divorce, etc. Ofcourse, rest of us will have to pay little more for things we buy, but in the long run I think it is good for our country.
_just my opinion

Originally Posted by KentDog

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+1. At work when one of our big initiatives is cost savings, aka being as fruggal as possible, our managers continue to fly business class and fly often, write many things off, and choose to eat costs when negotiation should be employed, operating expenses should be the first thing scrutinized.

This is the same thing the bank CEO's did before and after the bailout.


I'll never forget what Motorola did way back, when they closed 4 shops shops in the metro area they left go 3/4 of the actual workforce and kept 16 managers in 1 shop.
16 managers to manage 3 people.