Bush's Final Approval Rating: 22 Percent

**min0 lee** · 01-17-2009, 04:36 PM

Bush's Final Approval Rating: 22 Percent, CBS News/N.Y. Times Poll Finds President Will Leave Office With Lowest Final Approval Rating Ever - CBS News

Jan. 16, 2009
(CBS) President Bush will leave office as one of the most unpopular departing presidents in history, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll showing Mr. Bush's final approval rating at 22 percent.

Seventy-three percent say they disapprove of the way Mr. Bush has handled his job as president over the last eight years.

Mr. Bush's final approval rating is the lowest final rating for an outgoing president since Gallup began asking about presidential approval more than 70 years ago.

The rating is far below the final ratings of recent two-term presidents Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan, who both ended their terms with a 68 percent approval rating, according to CBS News polling.

Recent one term presidents also had higher ratings than Mr. Bush. His father George H.W. Bush had an end-of-term rating of 54 percent, while Jimmy Carter's rating was 44 percent.

Harry Truman had previously had the lowest end-of-term approval at 32 percent, as measured by Gallup.

Views of Mr. Bush's popularity are highly partisan. Only 6 percent of Democrats approve of the job he has done as president, while 57 percent of Republicans approve. Eighteen percent of independents approve.

Interestingly, Mr. Bush also has the distinction of having the highest approval rating for a president, as well as the lowest.

In November 2008, just before the presidential election, only 20 percent approved of the job he was doing as president - the lowest of any president since Gallup began asking the question in 1938.

But Mr. Bush enjoyed a high approval rating of 90 percent -- the highest of any president -- following the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001.

Mr. Bush edged out his father for that highest rating. George H.W. Bush received an 88 percent approval rating in 1991 amid the success of the first Gulf War.

Truman comes closest to Mr. Bush's record low approval rating of 20 percent. In February 1952, just 22 percent of Americans approved of the job Truman was doing as president.

Evaluations Of The President

Half of all Americans, when they look back on Mr. Bush's eight years in office, believe he has been a poor president. Thirty-three percent think he has been an average president. Twelve percent say he has been a good president, and only 5 percent say he has been a very good president.

This evaluation is more negative than the ones Americans gave both the current president’s predecessor, Mr. Clinton, and the president’s father.

The president has also fallen short of expectations: As Mr. Bush was preparing to enter the White House in January 2001, 43 percent thought he would be a very good or good president. Only 12 percent thought he would be a poor one.

As for the incoming president, the CBS News poll also asked about expectations of President-elect Barack Obama. Sixty-eight percent think Mr. Obama will be a good or very good president - 25 points higher than expectations for Mr. Bush.

Nine in 10 Democrats expect Mr. Obama to be a good president, including 48 percent who think he will be a "very good" one. Republicans are less hopeful, but 38 percent still say Mr. Obama will be a good president.
Opinions of Mr. Bush personally have also taken a hit since his term began, and he receives his lowest favorability rating of his presidency in this poll. Just 26 percent of Americans view the president favorably, while 60 percent view him negatively. In February 2001, a month into his presidency, 42 percent of Americans had a favorable opinion of Mr. Bush.

Vice President Dick Cheney

Vice President Dick Cheney also leaves office amid negative perceptions, as his approval rating stands at just 13 percent. That matches his lowest approval since he assumed office.

Forty-four percent of Americans now view Cheney unfavorably, while 42 percent are undecided or haven't heard enough.

This is a reversal from March 2001, when CBS News took its first measure of Cheney’s favorability as vice president. Back then, 34 percent held a favorable opinion of the vice president and only 11 percent viewed him unfavorably.

On The Issues

Assessments of Mr. Bush's handling of two critical issues - the war in Iraq and the economy - are poor. He does better on the issue of terrorism - his strongest area during his years as president - but, even here, less than half approve of his handling of the issue.

In light of the Sept. 11 attacks and the U.S. military action in Iraq two years later, terrorism and the Iraq war have come to define Mr. Bush's presidency. The nation's struggling economy has recently had an impact as well.

Mr. Bush never received stellar ratings on the economy, but as the nation's economic concerns have become more severe, his rating on the issue has plummeted. Currently, 17 percent approve and 77 percent disapprove of his handling of the economy.

In September 2008, amid the collapse and subsequent bailout of some of the nation's financial institutions, just 16 percent approved of the president’s handling of the economy - a record low for him. His highest rating on the economy came in October 2001, shortly after the 9/11 attacks.

On Iraq, the public was behind Mr. Bush when the U.S. began military action nearly six years ago. In April 2003, a majority approved of the president’s action and 79 percent of Americans approved of the way Mr. Bush was handling the situation in Iraq - his highest rating ever on this question.

As the war continued and the U.S. casualties increased, public support began to wane. A year after the war began, 49 percent of Americans approved of the president’s handling of the war. In December 2006, only 21 percent approved of Mr. Bush's handling of the situation in Iraq - his lowest rating ever on this issue.

The last time a majority of Americans approved of the president’s handling of the Iraq war was immediately after the capture of Saddam Hussein in December 2003.

Currently, 25 percent approve and 71 percent disapprove.

Terrorism has been the president’s strongest area throughout his presidency. In December 2001, 90 percent of Americans approved of his handling of the campaign against terrorism - his highest rating ever. The president continued to receive positive marks on the issue throughout his first term. But an unpopular war began to taint even these evaluations of him.

In October 2005, for the first time, fewer than half of Americans approved of Mr. Bush's handling of terrorism. Now, 47 percent approve and 48 percent disapprove.

A Look Back

In February 2001, the CBS News Poll took its first measure of the job Mr. Bush was doing as president: 53 percent of Americans approved and only 21 percent disapproved. That rating soared to 90 percent a few weeks after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11.

The 43rd president's overall ratings tapered off somewhat but remained high throughout the remainder of 2001 and 2002. And in March 2003, after the initial days of the U.S. war in Iraq, 68 percent of Americans approved of the job Mr. Bush was doing as president.

By the fall of 2003, as the fighting in Iraq continued, Mr. Bush's approval rating began to decline. In November of that year, 49 percent approved of the job he was doing. It was the first time his approval rating was below 50 percent.

The president's approval rating improved after the capture of Saddam Hussein in December 2003, but it fell as the prison abuse at Abu Ghraib came to light in the spring of 2004. In May 2004, just 41 percent of Americans approved of the job Mr. Bush was doing as president - his lowest rating to date at that point in time.

Heading into the 2004 presidential election, 49 percent of Americans approved of the president's performance. Just after he was re-elected, 51 percent approved - the last time a majority approved of the job Bush was doing.

But at no time during his second term in office would his approval rating reach 50 percent.

For the most part, the president's job rating continued to decline throughout his second term. In October 2005, with images of Hurricane Katrina still in the minds of many, his approval rating dipped below 40 percent for the first time, and in January 2007, fewer than 30 percent of Americans approved of the job Mr. Bush was doing.

In a poll conducted just before the 2008 presidential election, only 20 percent of Americans said they approved of the job President Bush was doing as president - the lowest rating for any president. Seventy-two percent disapproved.

This poll was conducted among a random sample of 1,112 adults nationwide, interviewed by telephone January 11-15, 2009. Phone numbers were dialed from RDD samples of both standard land-lines and cell phones. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus three percentage points. The error for subgroups is higher.

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**KelJu** · 01-17-2009, 05:31 PM

I hope I never see his face on TV or hear his voice on the radio again. I don't even want to think about the piece of shit again.

**andyo** · 01-17-2009, 08:13 PM

Took the words right out of my mouth...good job!

**evanps** · 01-18-2009, 01:50 AM

I think these results go to show that 22% of Americans polled are retarded, blind and deaf, or just have no idea what has happened in the last 8 years.

**KelJu** · 01-18-2009, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by evanps

I think these results go to show that 22% of Americans polled are retarded, blind and deaf, or just have no idea what has happened in the last 8 years.

Well you know 1/5 of Americans can't find the US on a map. All Miss South Carolina had to say was, "Well that 1/5 of Americans are probably Bush supporters!" She would have took the Miss Teen USA title with that answer.

**DOMS** · 01-18-2009, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by KelJu

Well you know 1/5 of Americans can't find the US on a map. All Miss South Carolina had to say was, "Well that 1/5 of Americans are probably Bush supporters!" She would have took the Miss Teen USA title with that answer.

I think that statement is propaganda bullshit. I've lived in quite a few states and I've yet to meet a person that couldn't find the US on the map.

Hell, even the chewies can find the US.

**QuestionGuy** · 01-18-2009, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

I think that statement is propaganda bullshit. I've lived in quite a few states and I've yet to meet a person that couldn't find the US on the map.

Hell, even the chewies can find the US.

hahaha....do you just take a map wiht you everywhere you go and randomly ask people you meet to pick the USA on a map or globus???.....Yeah, Ill have the grilled chicken wiht a side salad, oh and can you please show me where the US.......??? LOL, its reall funny when you picture it...

**Gazhole** · 01-19-2009, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by QuestionGuy

hahaha....do you just take a map wiht you everywhere you go and randomly ask people you meet to pick the USA on a map or globus???.....Yeah, Ill have the grilled chicken wiht a side salad, oh and can you please show me where the US.......??? LOL, its reall funny when you picture it...

Just do it, and report back.

Everybody. Go do it and report back.

**TBAR** · 01-19-2009, 01:39 PM

Ya, obviously alot of people don't like him, but 75%+ of those people have no idea why, not to mention who actually took the poll. Obviously a poll on CNN is going to bash him. ALSO, those 75% of people can't tell you one thing they would have done differently.

**maniclion** · 01-19-2009, 01:48 PM

I forget what show I was watching but they asked regular people which country they would like to live in or something and some were saying shit like:

California, Paris, Europe....

**maniclion** · 01-19-2009, 01:56 PM

Bush was not a leader, he had no drive in his speeches, his mannerisms didn't suggest confidence, he was always laughing and cracking jokes because he wasn't sure of how to take command of situations. They should never have put a follower in front of all those leaders, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al are leaders, albeit evil leaders but leaders all the same. The entire time all I saw was Puppet & Puppet Masters taking turns tugging strings. I refuse to lay most of the blame on Bush, the guy was never meant for a position of that magnitude, but he should be held responsible for letting himself be used as a pawn for his entire term.

**min0 lee** · 01-19-2009, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by TBAR

Ya, obviously alot of people don't like him, but 75%+ of those people have no idea why, not to mention who actually took the poll. Obviously a poll on CNN is going to bash him. ALSO, those 75% of people can't tell you one thing they would have done differently.

All they need to do is look around, are we better off now then we were 8 years ago.
No

**Little Wing** · 01-19-2009, 03:44 PM

Shame on You, President Bush! Protect America's Wolves! - The Petition Site

Target: President George W. Bush
Sponsored by: Care2.com
In their final hours, the Bush/Cheney Administration has just greenlighted the slaughter of wolves in the Northern Rockies. More than 1,000 wolves in the Northern Rockies – including wolves in Greater Yellowstone – could die as a result.
On January 14, in a last-ditch effort to undermine environmental protections, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) announced that the Northern Rockies gray wolf will be taken off the Endangered Species List. This decision is yet another attempt to prematurely strip wolves of legal protection before the clock runs out next Tuesday on the most anti-environment administration in American history.
Stripping protections from Northern Rockies wolves is a shameful last act snuck in during this administration's midnight hour.
Sign the petition to President Bush and let him know you won't stop fighting for the protection of wolves!

**Little Wing** · 01-19-2009, 03:47 PM

bush is a cunthead weasel.

**Little Wing** · 01-19-2009, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by TBAR

Ya, obviously alot of people don't like him, but 75%+ of those people have no idea why, not to mention who actually took the poll. Obviously a poll on CNN is going to bash him. ALSO, those 75% of people can't tell you one thing they would have done differently.

lol i couldn't tell what it said so i googled it. damn.

**KelJu** · 01-19-2009, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

I think that statement is propaganda bullshit. I've lived in quite a few states and I've yet to meet a person that couldn't find the US on the map.

Hell, even the chewies can find the US.

That was a joke played off the Teen USA bullshit. I know there are stupid people out there, but I just don't believe 1/5 of Americans can't find the US on a map.

**KelJu** · 01-19-2009, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by min0 lee

All they need to do is look around, are we better off now then we were 8 years ago.
No

So much wisdom in this post.

**KelJu** · 01-19-2009, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by TBAR

Ya, obviously alot of people don't like him, but 75%+ of those people have no idea why, not to mention who actually took the poll. Obviously a poll on CNN is going to bash him. ALSO, those 75% of people can't tell you one thing they would have done differently.

Well dude, you have to be aware of the fact that thinking for yourself is a rare and beautiful quality. Even if a person is wrong, I still have more respect for them than someone who just believes what people tell them without question.

Probably less than 10% of the population has done the work and come to their own conclusions. The rest believe what their news source of choice tells them to believe.

**bio-chem** · 01-19-2009, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Little Wing

Shame on You, President Bush! Protect America's Wolves! - The Petition Site

Target: President George W. Bush
Sponsored by: Care2.com
In their final hours, the Bush/Cheney Administration has just greenlighted the slaughter of wolves in the Northern Rockies. More than 1,000 wolves in the Northern Rockies – including wolves in Greater Yellowstone – could die as a result.
On January 14, in a last-ditch effort to undermine environmental protections, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) announced that the Northern Rockies gray wolf will be taken off the Endangered Species List. This decision is yet another attempt to prematurely strip wolves of legal protection before the clock runs out next Tuesday on the most anti-environment administration in American history.
Stripping protections from Northern Rockies wolves is a shameful last act snuck in during this administration's midnight hour.
Sign the petition to President Bush and let him know you won't stop fighting for the protection of wolves!

um, this is really not that informed of a post in my opinion. you really think bush is anti-gray wolf? how is it taking them off of the endangered species list COULD cause the slaughter of 1,000 wolves? the article is a bunch of gibberish propaganda that does not even begin to remotely talk about what is happening with wolves in the selected area mentioned.

the truth is every study shows that the gray wolf population has rebounded tremendously in the rockies. to the point that now they no longer need the same protections as they are now interfering with livestock. but PETA and their stupid asses are ok with wolves killing and eating cattle, but if I do it I'm a bad person? when we kill cattle it is a quick death then off to the slaughter house so I can have a burger or steak. does cattle get the same treatment from a wolf?

PETA is an asinine, misinformed, blinded by sheer stupidity organization which serves no purpose other that to scream to hear their own voices organization that deserves the attention of a growing weed.

**bio-chem** · 01-19-2009, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by min0 lee

All they need to do is look around, are we better off now then we were 8 years ago.
No

and bush is ultimately responsible for this?

**Little Wing** · 01-19-2009, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by bio-chem

um, this is really not that informed of a post in my opinion. you really think bush is anti-gray wolf? how is it taking them off of the endangered species list COULD cause the slaughter of 1,000 wolves? the article is a bunch of gibberish propaganda that does not even begin to remotely talk about what is happening with wolves in the selected area mentioned.

the truth is every study shows that the gray wolf population has rebounded tremendously in the rockies. to the point that now they no longer need the same protections as they are now interfering with livestock. but PETA and their stupid asses are ok with wolves killing and eating cattle, but if I do it I'm a bad person? when we kill cattle it is a quick death then off to the slaughter house so I can have a burger or steak. does cattle get the same treatment from a wolf?

PETA is an asinine, misinformed, blinded by sheer stupidity organization which serves no purpose other that to scream to hear their own voices organization that deserves the attention of a growing weed.

this hasn't got jack shit to do with peta.

Care2 make the world greener!

does this sound like peta?

Wolves should be managed to maintain sustainable healthy populations, the way we manage mountain lions, bears and other wildlife. The states should not be allowed to kill two thirds of our regional wolf population just because wolves lose federal protection. Our regional residents need a science based delisting plan that addresses the needs of both wolves and people. Instead of forcing this issue back into the courts, the Service should help bring all interested parties to the table, allowing stakeholders to iron out solutions to the management conflicts. We can move forward to delisting, and we should, but only under rationale conditions.
Our only reasonable course of action is again to challenge the delisting in court until the Service takes a science based approach towards long term recovery goals for wolves in the Northern Rockies.”

My Yellowstone Wolves

n yea peta would really support this care2 partner.

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unless i'm misinformed and you meant that other peta group. people eating tasty animals.

**bio-chem** · 01-19-2009, 10:02 PM

heifer international looks to be a pretty good organization. ill have to give the number a call tomorrow. im curious what their presence is in the philippines

and my argument against care2 stands. all that article says is the states could......if this is allowed to go through. it gives no proof that this is the states intention or how/why this COULD happen.

everything it states is a scare tactic without any backing evidence to support the claim. this sounds like a case of chicken little to me.

**min0 lee** · 01-19-2009, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by bio-chem

and bush is ultimately responsible for this?

His hands are dirty.
But thankfully Bush & Cheney are gone.

**min0 lee** · 01-19-2009, 10:40 PM

I think that 10% of those who voted in favor are the comedians in search of material.
The other 12 % are clueless, profited from from him somehow...

**min0 lee** · 01-19-2009, 10:44 PM

**min0 lee** · 01-19-2009, 10:53 PM

JANUARY 17, 2009, 1:32 PM
Surviving the Obama Comedy Crisis:
A Report From the Front Lines

Guest Humorist | Daniel Kurtzman

For those in the business of political mockery, the last 16 years have been a glorious golden age. If Bill Clinton was a full-employment act for political comedians, then George W. Bush was a welfare program.

But when Barack Obama takes the oath of office on Tuesday, the era of easy presidential punch lines may be coming to a close. As it has been widely noted in humor circles, Obama remains a tough target. So far, the most memorable Obama mockery has ranged from the utterly atrocious (see: the “Barack the Magic Negro” song parody debacle) to the mildly amusing (Fred Armisen’s competent but guffaw-free impersonation of Obama on “Saturday Night Live”).

What’s in store for political humor in the age of Obama? Will he be the president who presides over the bursting of the comedy bubble? Or can he find a way to bail out the comedy industry too? There’s no better way to find out than directly from those on the front lines of the comedy crisis — the comedians, joke writers, and satirists tasked with the urgent work of fortifying our nation’s strategic humor reserves:

Joe Grossman, writer, “Late Show With David Letterman”:

My best guess is that the late-night hosts will have to reinvent their shows now that political humor will cease to exist. Most likely, you’ll see Letterman replace all of his comedy material with cooking segments, household safety demonstrations, poetry readings, and public service announcements imploring America’s teenagers to practice sound physical and social hygiene. Either that, or the Obama administration will prove fallible, and mockery of government will continue as it has for most of recorded history. Could go either way.

Michael Colton and John Aboud, screenwriters, VH1 talking heads, and writers for Fox’s upcoming animated comedy “Sit Down, Shut Up”:

Barack Obama is a transformational figure who represents the fulfillment of the American dream and the end of all humor. His wisdom and judgment will erase every single social and political discontent that fuels comedy, including marital strife, the inconveniences of air travel, and D.M.V. wait times. He will cause humans to cease breaking wind. We forecast the last joke in America will be told on Aug. 5, 2009 — a tepidly received one-liner conflating Leon Panetta with the foodstuff “pancetta.”

Kevin Bleyer, writer, “The Daily Show With Jon Stewart”:

On the contrary, I’m thrilled about an Obama presidency. During the Bush years, all my jokes were written by a team of Chinese pre-teens in a Shanghai sweatshop. Not that they didn’t do a superb job — I thought their take on seating the Michigan delegation was especially insightful — but I’m just happy to have my job back.

Peter Gwinn, writer, “The Colbert Report”:

We do face a serious problem, because now that George Bush is no longer president, nothing is funny in the entire world. I expect that in 2009, most of my own comedy will consist of reading Laffy Taffy wrappers out loud: “Why are rhinos so wrinkly?” “Because they’re hard to iron.” That joke right there will always be comedy gold, at least until America elects a rhino president.

Charlie Kadau, senior editor, Mad magazine:

Why am I optimistic? Look who Obama has included in his inner circle — the Clintons! Talk about a humor stimulus package!

Baratunde Thurston, self-described comedian, vigilante pundit, and Web and politics editor for The Onion:

For the first few weeks, I plan to scream for joy and hug strangers on the street as I’ve done continuously since the night of Nov. 4. Then I plan to keep writing material that uniquely illuminates this country’s socio-political reality while causing laughter and self-urination among my audience. That’s what political comics do. Too many people had one Bush-is-dumb joke and thought that made them the next Mark Twain. The arrival of a president fluent in English should raise the bar.

Raymond Lesser, editor, the Funny Times:

I don’t think Obama will be hard to make fun of. Cartoonists and comedians just need to get to know him better. But I think he’ll be much more like Bugs Bunny than Bush, who has pretty much turned into Elmer Fudd. (Or am I thinking of that other great hunter, Dick Cheney?) Anyway, people love Bugs Bunny and wind up laughing much more with him than at him.

Rusty Ward, writer, BarelyPolitical.com:

When Lex Luthor first encountered Superman he faced a difficult dilemma, how do you stop a man who is unstoppable? Comedians face a similar dilemma in 2009: how do you make fun of a president who is unmake-funnable? Eventually, Lex discovered kryptonite. I’m confident BarelyPolitical will find Obama’s comedy kryptonite (his Hawaiinite, if you will) but if by some chance we fail to do this we’ll fall back on our strengths: Hillary Clinton impressions, girls dancing, and grown men running around the city in animal costumes.

Katie Halper, comic, blogger and co-founder of Laughing Liberally:

I’m freaking out because it’s hard, not to mention forbidden, to make fun of your messiah. In all honesty, I’m not nervous that Obama won’t make any material-inspiring mistakes — he already has. His vote on FISA was disappointing (although it does show Obama’s in touch with the American people and listening to everything we say). And unless a native American lesbian Wicca priestess delivers part two of Obama’s invocation, Rick Warren will not represent inclusion (although the pastor does resemble a big tent). But how can I stay mad? All Obama has to do is smile at Fareed Zakaria or go topless in Hawaii, and my ire and satire melt away. Oh, Obama, I hate myself for loving you.

Jay Jaroch, writer, “Real Time With Bill Maher”:

There will be no humor in the new order. You’ll learn that in the re-education camps.

Steve Young, TV writer who blogs at steveyoungonpolitics:

I see comedy entering a more difficult, more painful era. For the past eight years of Bush and Cheney and the intern years of Clinton, we were pretty much stenographers. Come Jan. 20, comics and writers will actually have to make up satire instead of relying on cut-and-paste inanity lifted directly from political speeches and off-the-cuff remarks of the newsworthy. Thank God we’ll still have Joe Biden, and with Bill O’Reilly continuing to be a nightly factor, it’s not like we’ll have to generate all the nonsense ourselves.

Elaina Newport, co-founder of the Capitol Steps comedy troupe:

Of course, every time we lose a president we worry, “Will the next one be funny?” I remember being quite distressed to lose Bill Clinton — how could George Bush possibly be as good for comedy? But they always come through! In the case of Obama, I’m thinking that this might be the scenario: he’s the straight man, surrounded by comedy gold in the form of Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton — and I think we’re also entitled to several second-round draft picks. For now, we are having fun with the fact that the press is so enamored with Barack, in the form of our song “Obama Mia.” And Hillary grits her teeth and tries to be happy to be Barack’s Secretary of State, in the song “Ebony and Ovaries.” But it’s true, the worst thing for comedy would be a quietly competent president. Let’s hope that doesn’t happen!

Sam Means, writer, “The Daily Show”:

How do I plan to survive the Obama years? Law school.

**Little Wing** · 01-19-2009, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by bio-chem

heifer international looks to be a pretty good organization. ill have to give the number a call tomorrow. im curious what their presence is in the philippines

and my argument against care2 stands. all that article says is the states could......if this is allowed to go through. it gives no proof that this is the states intention or how/why this COULD happen.

everything it states is a scare tactic without any backing evidence to support the claim. this sounds like a case of chicken little to me.

yea i'm sure a bunch of ignorant beef farmers that feed their animals bgh and sell us pus laden milk won't go out and shoot as many wolves as they can. get real.

**TBAR** · 01-20-2009, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by Little Wing

lol i couldn't tell what it said so i googled it. damn.

haha ya, probably not the best thing to have as a role model for my little one. I'll change it when he learns how to read

**TBAR** · 01-20-2009, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by KelJu

Well dude, you have to be aware of the fact that thinking for yourself is a rare and beautiful quality. Even if a person is wrong, I still have more respect for them than someone who just believes what people tell them without question.

Probably less than 10% of the population has done the work and come to their own conclusions. The rest believe what their news source of choice tells them to believe.

I agree with that. I'm just sick of hearing morons like that woman who was saying that she won't have to pay for her car anymore because Obama will take care of it. Stupid people raising stupid kids.

**min0 lee** · 01-20-2009, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by TBAR

I agree with that. I'm just sick of hearing morons like that woman who was saying that she won't have to pay for her car anymore because Obama will take care of it. Stupid people raising stupid kids.

Your kidding me....I can see a lot of this the next 4 years.

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