Thread: Obama Snubs Nation's Heroes, Becomes the First President to Skip Ball Honoring Medal

He's anti-military and anti-gun, and it's pretty clear that he's pro-taking it in the ass.

Don't forget that he went to two seperate military specific balls that the Medal of Honor recipiants could have attended. Just because he didn't go to the one that the VA sponsored, everyone gets up in arms about it. I did not vote for Obama but cut him some slack. He seems like a genuine good human being who has plans that I am interested to see. Whether he can achieve what he says he can is another story but getting upset about this is a little trivial to me.

It's location might not have been a viable option for security reasons, you have to remember this guy isn't white. The Secret Service probably couldn't position men in enough strategic spots or it spread them too thin. If he stayed at balls in close Proximity then snipers could remain on the same roofs through out his transport........

Originally Posted by Jarhed

Don't forget that he went to two seperate military specific balls that the Medal of Honor recipiants could have attended. Just because he didn't go to the one that the VA sponsored, everyone gets up in arms about it. I did not vote for Obama but cut him some slack. He seems like a genuine good human being who has plans that I am interested to see. Whether he can achieve what he says he can is another story but getting upset about this is a little trivial to me.

Its just the haters talking shit making mountains out of mole hills.

Originally Posted by maniclion

It's location might not have been a viable option for security reasons, you have to remember this guy isn't white. The Secret Service probably couldn't position men in enough strategic spots or it spread them too thin. If he stayed at balls in close Proximity then snipers could remain on the same roofs through out his transport........

Ditto! Not sure about snipers and all but then again I'm not a tactical man. But I seriously doubt the guy was unaware or purposely missed the ball. Guarantee there were extenuating circumstances. You just don't hear that in the news.

If this was Bush he would be lynched.

The President has many responsiblities.

Who cares about this "ball."

Another silly waste of time for the President.

Originally Posted by evanps

But I seriously doubt the guy was unaware or purposely missed the ball. Guarantee there were extenuating circumstances.

Guys, this was a political decision on his part or that of someone on his staff. there is no way that the balls he attended were not previously determined by his staff. A ball that has never not been attended by a president? you really think that just happens? there is a reason every president previous chose to go, and there is a reason obama chose not to. i don't care either way what balls he attends, but to make an excuse is just naive in my opinion. this was not overlooked. this was a choice.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

Guys, this was a political decision on his part or that of someone on his staff. there is no way that the balls he attended were not previously determined by his staff. A ball that has never not been attended by a president? you really think that just happens? there is a reason every president previous chose to go, and there is a reason obama chose not to. i don't care either way what balls he attends, but to make an excuse is just naive in my opinion. this was not overlooked. this was a choice.

Beware, bio-chem! Speak not ill of their Lord Obama, lest they smite you!

Originally Posted by DOMS

Beware, bio-chem! Speak not ill of their Lord Obama, lest they smite you!

My views are not well hidden. if they wish to demonize me I can live with that.


I'm kind of curious just how long this teflon thing is going to be with obama? As long as he keeps fighting with congressional democrats i'm very happy. thats a good government in my opinion. checks and balances so they keep fighting and don't do anything and they stay the fuck out of my life.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

Guys, this was a political decision on his part or that of someone on his staff. there is no way that the balls he attended were not previously determined by his staff. A ball that has never not been attended by a president? you really think that just happens? there is a reason every president previous chose to go, and there is a reason obama chose not to. i don't care either way what balls he attends, but to make an excuse is just naive in my opinion. this was not overlooked. this was a choice.

There are a lot of serious issues going on the in the US right now.

There are hundreds if not thousands of events like this.

It's a ceremony. Right now, work takes predecent ceremony.

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

There are a lot of serious issues going on the in the US right now.

There are hundreds if not thousands of events like this.

It's a ceremony. Right now, work takes predecent ceremony.

I wonder if the President attended balls like this in the 30's and 40's (the last time we had an economic problem with this kind of magnitude)? I really do think some things have to be taken into perspective and maybe ignored.

I remember being brow-beaten by the Bush people for the last 8 years - sometimes beaing beaten over the head with the Bible by some of them even. We in the media did nothing to question him during the first 1 or 2 years of the Iraq war and just bowed down to him and accepted that there were weapons of mass destruction. When we finally did finish kissing his ass and got to work we found that we had been fed nothing but lies and were then restricted by the Pentagon as to what pictures we could broadcast from Iraq (no coffin pictures??? Can't even show people the real cost of this war?? Once CNN found the balls to challenge this rule everyone else followed quickly). Bush (and friends) along with the military powers did everything they could to control the media and censor things you were allowed to see from Iraq. I had a chance to watch the raw satellite feeds at the time, saw some pretty interesting things that I know were never allowed on the air.

At least with Obama we might have the curtain pulled back a little. Who knows what we'll find, maybe some of the people at Guantanamo will be innocent. If we were so sure they were guilty, there would be no problem allowing them a fair trial in the public eye. I believe the Nuremburg trials were all done in public even though they were military tribunals, they had nothing to hide. I wonder why we're not doing the same to the guys in Cuba. Who knows, maybe nothing will come of Obama's plan, but I can gaurentee it will not be any worse than plans over the last 8 years (hell, it almost can't be worse).

You all can argue with me all you want. Another thing, I think Obama is a very interesting guy, I applaud him for moving quickly and at least trying to accomplish some of his main goals (not saying Bush didn't accomplish his goals, but I am impressed at the speed with which Obama is doing it).

Originally Posted by tallcall

Who knows what we'll find, maybe some of the people at Guantanamo will be innocent. If we were so sure they were guilty, there would be no problem allowing them a fair trial in the public eye. I believe the Nuremburg trials were all done in public even though they were military tribunals, they had nothing to hide. I wonder why we're not doing the same to the guys in Cuba. Who knows, maybe nothing will come of Obama's plan, but I can gaurentee it will not be any worse than plans over the last 8 years (hell, it almost can't be worse).

This mindset is going to be the downfall of this country. Terrorists caught on the battlefield trying to kill Americans deserve a "fair trial"

Let's just hope a lawyer doesn't get one off & he blows up a bus carrying your children. Someone elses children.. that's ok.

Originally Posted by tallcall

You all can argue with me all you want. Another thing, I think Obama is a very interesting guy, I applaud him for moving quickly and at least trying to accomplish some of his main goals (not saying Bush didn't accomplish his goals, but I am impressed at the speed with which Obama is doing it).

Live satellite feed my ass... I guarantee there's nothing you've seen that CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, the Washington Compost and the rest of the "elite media" wouldn't have flooded the airwaves to discredit Bush & put their savior in office. It's laughable to suggest Bush had any control over the media.

Bush is lying, WMDs, Obama's the savior, blah blah. I'd like to say I will enjoy your awakening, but I have a strong suspicion it's going to accompany the loss of American lives.

Really transparent...
Media frustration spills into briefing - Michael Calderone - Politico.com

Originally Posted by busyLivin

This mindset is going to be the downfall of this country. Terrorists caught on the battlefield trying to kill Americans deserve a "fair trial"

Let's just hope a lawyer doesn't get one off & he blows up a bus carrying your children. Someone elses children.. that's ok.

All human beings deserve a fair trial. We, as Americans, are not special when it comes to humane treatment.
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Originally Posted by busyLivin

This mindset is going to be the downfall of this country. Terrorists caught on the battlefield trying to kill Americans deserve a "fair trial"

Let's just hope a lawyer doesn't get one off & he blows up a bus carrying your children. Someone elses children.. that's ok.

I'm just saying that if we give them a public trial, the world can see them fro who they really are. If we are so sure they are guilty there would be no need for this kind of secrecy.

They might all be guilty, if so I say burn them. Either way, a public showing could legitimize our efforts and possibly re-convince the world.

Originally Posted by busyLivin

Live satellite feed my ass... I guarantee there's nothing you've seen that CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, the Washington Compost and the rest of the "elite media" wouldn't have flooded the airwaves to discredit Bush & put their savior in office. It's laughable to suggest Bush had any control over the media.

Bush is lying, WMDs, Obama's the savior, blah blah. I'd like to say I will enjoy your awakening, but I have a strong suspicion it's going to accompany the loss of American lives.

Really transparent...
Media frustration spills into briefing - Michael Calderone - Politico.com

I know what my people had to go through in 2003-4. The Pentagon did everything it could to surpress images coming out of Iraq (again with the coffin pics - that was leaked to the press by "other" sources and spread through the CNN Newsbeam and Pathfire networks among others for all us affiliate stations - why is it so bad to show people the real cost of war??). I'm willing to bet Bush also did what he could to censor us.

During Vietnam, the media grilled the hell out of the president. This time we played the role of his lapdog. I blame myself for part of it, I think we in the media lost our spine and will to question everything (we are taught in school to never assume anything and always question). We totally failed the public, we're supposed to be a watchdog and quasi-4th branch of government, but we failed to check the president and congress.

I hope we'll be more critical of Obama, but I don't think we will. I don't like him very much anyways, everyone thinks he's the second coming of Christ of something, I can't stand the "change..." zombies. I do give him some props for going against Pelosi and being a little more "middle of the road."

Originally Posted by KelJu

All human beings deserve a fair trial. We, as Americans, are not special when it comes to humane treatment.

Wait, you're saying that the enemy that kills their captives (including Americans) and rapes the woman captives, deserves anything like a fair trial?

Bullshit.

The only "trial" they deserve is to have the people that captured them ascertain if they are in fact a terrorist. If so, they die on the spot.

This isn't a west vs. west "civilized" war where no one takes shots at medics, prisoners are held to the end of the war to be turned over, and the armies target each other. We're dealing with animals that'll kill anyone not of their own, torture and kill their prisoners, and target civilians.

If that's how they want to go about it, then they should not enjoy niceties that their savage culture doesn't possess.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Wait, you're saying that the enemy that kills their captives (including Americans) and rapes the woman captives, deserves anything like a fair trial?

Bullshit.

The only "trial" they deserve is to have the people that captured them ascertain if they are in fact a terrorist. If so, they die on the spot.

This isn't a west vs. west "civilized" war where no one takes shots at medics, prisoners are held to the end of the war to be turned over, and the armies target each other. We're dealing with animals that'll kill anyone not of their own, torture and kill their prisoners, and target civilians.

If that's how they want to go about it, then they should not enjoy niceties that their savage culture doesn't possess.

I thought we were trying to civilize them by inserting "democracy."

If I'm wrong then we should just dump the prisoners out in Cuba and let them terrorize Cuba - Fuck yeah I like this option better, it'll be revenge for what Castro did in the 70's by sending all his prisoners to the US, payback will be a bitch for them!

Originally Posted by tallcall

I thought we were trying to civilize them by inserting "democracy."

An impossible mission. Their culture cannot abide democracy.

Originally Posted by tallcall

If I'm wrong then we should just dump the prisoners out in Cuba and let them terrorize Cuba - Fuck yeah I like this option better, it'll be revenge for what Castro did in the 70's by sending all his prisoners to the US, payback will be a bitch for them!

The Cubans would just give them money and send them to the US, but I like your creativity.

Originally Posted by KelJu

All human beings deserve a fair trial. We, as Americans, are not special when it comes to humane treatment.
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Sorry, I just disagree. I say we kill terrorists (or lock them up indefinitely) after extracting information in any way necessary.

I'll leave the judging for God.

Originally Posted by busyLivin

Sorry, I just disagree. I say we kill terrorists (or lock them up indefinitely) after extracting information in any way necessary.
I'll leave the judging for God.

If we kill them, then we are not leaving the judging for god. We are acting like a god.

Originally Posted by chobby192

If we kill them, then we are not leaving the judging for god. We are acting like a god.

Depends on how you look at it. I'd say I'm sending them to God to judge them.

Originally Posted by KelJu

All human beings deserve a fair trial. We, as Americans, are not special when it comes to humane treatment.
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Originally Posted by busyLivin

Depends on how you look at it. I'd say I'm sending them to God to judge them.

We don't have to send anybody to the god. People will go to the eventually.

Originally Posted by KelJu

We, as Americans, are not special when it comes to humane treatment.
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This is all ridiculous. We are afraid to offend people that would saw off our heads in a heartbeat if given the chance. This bullshit "we can't violate our values to get information" astounds me.

You can't honestly say that if faced with the option of torturing a known terrorist or letting for family certainly die you would choose the later. If you can say that, you are a moron. If not, you need new material.

Obama will pay the consequences. He won't want to offend Mohammed & a bomb will go off that he personally could have prevented. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.

People who think like this are responsible for the next attack. People are kidding themselves if they think closing Gitmo will "improve our image." Nations will always be jealous, and they will always hate us because we are the strongest & the best country to ever exist.

Originally Posted by busyLivin

Depends on how you look at it. I'd say I'm sending them to God to judge them.

You're arranging the meeting.

On a side note, I've got to go, going to spend more time with my Marine! He's become a damn good friend, I like it when people just talk straight and don't pull any punches. I showed him the little ribbon I put on my car that said "Marines...No better friend...No worse enemy," he noticed the anchor, globe, and eagle and smiled. I told him I placed it on the right side since the driver is not a Marine and I'm trying to show support for my friends in the corp. I think (and hope) it made him happy to see that someone cared.

Anyways, he'd agree - kill them all, no need for jails or holding areas!

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

There are a lot of serious issues going on the in the US right now.

There are hundreds if not thousands of events like this.

It's a ceremony. Right now, work takes predecent ceremony.

Work? is that what he was doing when he attended the 10 other balls that night?

let me be perfectly clear, I don't give a damn what balls he goes to. I just want people to know that if he chose not to go to this ball it was not because of an "oversight" on his part. he chose to skip out on that particular ball. Whatever political message that this action sends others can decide how important it is to them.