Little Wing

seriously, if someone today claimed to be the son of god and lived like jesus did, preached what he did, who would believe him? people claim to believe in a virgin birth... if Mary were pregnant today who would believe her? so many people live as if they believe things they would in reality find impossible to believe today. that's sad but it's true.

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PreMier

thats not going to happen. it wasnt part of the 'plan' if you will. everything happened in a specific order for specific reasons. the questions that your asking are irrelevant.

plus you seem to be attacking people and their personal beliefs.. all because they dont agree with you about isreal, and some girl that sacrificed herself for what? a spot in the paper? i never even heard of her until today, and that was 6 years ago.

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Little Wing

i just find it frustrating that members of the Israeli military are protesting it's actions but people here are still all gung ho supporters disregarding what people who live there have to say. men in uniform there are refusing orders they feel are criminal and a danger to the people of Israel. something is very wrong.

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danzik17

Honest question then - it's the same one that I ask all religious people when they bring up the "plan".

Are terrorist attacks part of the plan? Is genocide part of the plan? Is pedophilia part of the plan? If someone gets drunk and kills a happy family of five in a car accident, was that part of the plan? If everything is pre-ordained, then how are such horrible things allowed to happen?

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yea this guy was a dumbass too

bio-chem

you're understanding of the plan is flawed. God having a plan for his children does not take away from the freedom of choice. Freedom of choice is an integral part of the plan. God does not predestine a man to pedophilia. he does allow tragedy to enter the world so that we may learn through experience right and wrong.

bio-chem

I absolutely disagree with you. If Jesus were to come to the earth and live among us as a mortal just like he did with the Jews 2,000 years ago, the majority of us would be able to recognize him and would accept him.

bio-chem

that is the most ridiculous bogus crap.

Little Wing

it would be nice if that were true but i don't think it is. i think he would be called insane and his biggest critic would be the catholic church because he would be a threat to them.

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HialeahChico305

He allows tragedy to enter? I wonder when he will come to his senses and basically shut the door and tragedy . especially on infants and inocent little kids all around the world.

bio-chem

Would you follow him?

Little Wing

i'm not sure. i find it really hard to swallow that an omnipotent god will watch a little girl be raped night after night after night and not give her rapist cancer but a person who lives a good honest life can be struck down... there are a lot of really good people in the world but all in all it seems like god is not minding his flock.

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bio-chem

So you want God to end all tragedy then? to stop all evil? Without evil, or bad how would we know what is good and pure? What kind of God would he be if he took away our freedom of choice? I don't think that God wants mindless zombie followers. I think he has grander plans for his greatest creations.

How much more fulfilling is it for him and us to learn the difference of right and wrong and choose to follow the path he wants us to follow of our own free will?

Little Wing

i'm sure the 4 year old girls getting an 8 inch cock crammed down their throats by their grampy or an uncles up their ass etc every night will be so comforted by the fact god is witnessing the free will of these men and sacrificing THEM for HIS fullfillment.

oh thank you great father in the sky for all this free will.

where is the childs right to be free from a life of hell? wtf? seriously. religious people will go so far out on a limb to explain why evil exists and then laugh at some poor woman who had enough love in her heart to try n actually stop a little bit of it. it's like they don't even believe their own philosophies.

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HialeahChico305

I don't want god to do anything, Because I doubt his existence . Evil is around the world period, its just the way it is. I've personally have learned from my mistakes and tragedies at some point in my life, and to think god allowed this could be true. But to say God allows a little kids to get raped and killed? I doubt it, If there was a "God" he will most definitely stop this IMO of course.

bio-chem

So there should be limited freedom of choice? He should allow us a little bit of choice so that we can learn, but if it is big then he should stop us from doing wrong?

Irons77

Nobody knows what God has in store for these people that do this type of shit either, when they pass on

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HialeahChico305

Bio-Chem I just admitted in doubting his existence, that why I don't expect anything. But If I was a firm believer of God I would say yes, He should interfere in those situations. Don't you? I know you think part of the "plan" its freedom of choice, but you think its correct that he doesnt come save some innocent little kid getting raped? or tortured?

bio-chem

this isn't going out on a limb to explain anything. it makes perfect sense why an all powerful God will choose to allow evil to enter the world.

Stop for a second and think what your life would be like if every choice you made was determined for you. how happy would you be if you were not able to raise your children the way you wanted, but the way God chose for you? I'm sure you will be the first to say how much you have learned raising your children. Now take all of that knowledge away. learning from mistakes, ours and others is how we grow. it is the purpose of Gods plan. Without it we would forever be like children.

The example of the woman you use is not a good one in my opinion. I have already stated that we have enough people committing suicide over the problems in Israel. If you want to effect change follow the lives of Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. These men did not commit suicide for their beliefs, yet effected great change by the way they lived. I find the woman committing suicide under a bulldozer to be a waste.

Little Wing

there is no perfect sense to a god that could stop such atrocities allowing them instead. he could make sex with children not an appealing idea without removing free will. why couldn't those guys just rape each other? your god is not very creative for such a genius. and if Christians don't hunger for a perfect world why "heaven"?

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bio-chem

I think everything God does is correct. Without it he would cease to be God. In my limited understanding I of course must question it. This does not change his existence or the truth of his plan.

bio-chem

I think everyone hungers for a perfect world. that is why you have these questions. Perfection will come. it takes time.

and I feel pretty confident that he did make sex with children an unappealing idea. As well as rape. I have no desire to have sex with a child, and i doubt you do as well. God did not make men rape children, and he certainly did not give them the desire to do so.

It kind of sucks that God gets blamed so much for humanities problems.

Little Wing

i wonder, if god is real and we could have his power and witness all he does for 1 day what actions would our hearts direct us to take? seems to me our justice would be more humane than his.

in my late twenties i met a girl who endured horrific sexual abuse, how could anyone man or god just bear witness? especially a god? it just seems to me to negate the possibility of a loving god.

people don't let their pets tear each other up. to keep them from harming each other, does that take away their free will? no.

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HialeahChico305

This is a never ending argument, Because at the end of the day any Firm believer of God fails to show proof and end my questioning of the almighty "God". .

bio-chem

We are not Gods pets, we are his children. have you ever let your children do something even though you know that it will turn out bad for them?

If we were to have Gods power we would also have his knowledge. Knowledge of the past, present, and future that we are incapable of comprehending right now.

What you are in essence arguing is that you know better than God with less knowledge. This seems like a very childish thing to do. and we are in fact children.

Little Wing

like watch one mercilessly rape the other?

i don't want a "father" who will stand by and witness my rape for the greater good of man. i want a "father" who will love and protect me. why would i trust one who chose to do any less?

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bio-chem

you didn't answer the question. and now you are just being stubborn. that is fine. none of us wants to accept the terrible things that go on in the world. It's how I know you are a good person. I'll tell you this though. being angry at and holding a grudge against God, or his followers doesn't bring you happiness, or comfort.

danzik17

My point is that you can't prove there is a plan anymore than you can prove there is a god. For all you know, the flying spaghetti monster really is our magical overlord.

Also, how can you equate a parent letting a child touch a hot stove to learn that it's bad to something like the genocide happening in Darfur? Does that make any rational sense?

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Little Wing

i don't hold a grudge against his followers. between the horsecrap in the bible there's a lot of wisdom. this same wisdom is also to be found though in many of the worlds religions, myths, and folklore.

i take comfort in knowing there are good and decent people in the world and i just really do not believe good and decent belong to one single religion or people i believe those things are to be found scattered among all men.

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chobby192

There is no such thing as plan. Everybody is responsible for their own action. If the problems of the world are created by humans, then they can be solved by humans. There is no imaginary being is coming to clean our mess. People should get over with it.

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