I Don't Hate Jews , I Hate Israel

chobby192 · 01-25-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Little Wing

i don't hold a grudge against his followers.

Me too, but I don't like it when they try to shove their god down people's throat.

danzik17 · 01-25-2009, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by chobby192

There is no such thing as plan. Everybody is responsible for their own action. If the problems of the world are created by humans, then they can be solved by humans. There is no imaginary being is coming to clean our mess. People should get over with it.

Jeez, just blow my point right out in the open there. Damn it! Now it's not hidden anymore!

bio-chem · 01-25-2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by danzik17

My point is that you can't prove there is a plan anymore than you can prove there is a god. For all you know, the flying spaghetti monster really is our magical overlord.

Also, how can you equate a parent letting a child touch a hot stove to learn that it's bad to something like the genocide happening in Darfur? Does that make any rational sense?

when speaking about the Creator I find the analogy, though admittedly simplistic to absolutely make rational sense.

I'm not trying to prove anything to you. If you believe or not does nothing to shake my faith or strengthen it. My relationship with God is completely separate from anything you might believe.

And it is for all YOU know there might be a flying spaghetti monster. For what I know there is a God, He is our father, and there is plan that he has for us.

bio-chem · 01-25-2009, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chobby192

Me too, but I don't like it when they try to shove their god down people's throat.

no one is shoving anything down people's throats. at least not in this thread.

bio-chem · 01-25-2009, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Little Wing

i don't hold a grudge against his followers. between the horsecrap in the bible there's a lot of wisdom. this same wisdom is also to be found though in many of the worlds religions, myths, and folklore.

i take comfort in knowing there are good and decent people in the world and i just really do not believe good and decent belong to one single religion or people i believe those things are to be found scattered among all men.

No one here has said good and decent is belonging to one single religion. Where are you getting this stuff?

chobby192 · 01-25-2009, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

My relationship with God is completely separate from anything you might believe.

Is your relationship with God is as same as kids relationship with Santa?

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For what I know there is a God, He is our father,

No. Your father is the man who married your mother.

danzik17 · 01-25-2009, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

No one here has said good and decent is belonging to one single religion. Where are you getting this stuff?

That one's easy - it was said earlier than America is the greatest nation because of it's Christian foundings. That's clearly not true if you believe that decent people exist outside of Christianity.

bio-chem · 01-25-2009, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by chobby192

There is no such thing as plan. Everybody is responsible for their own action. If the problems of the world are created by humans, then they can be solved by humans. There is no imaginary being is coming to clean our mess. People should get over with it.

Everybody is responsible for their own actions. I agree. No one has said otherwise.

the problems of the world will hardly be solved by humans. the united nations, or any other group is not going to solve genocide in the world. No peace plan is ever going to create an atmosphere where palestinians and Jews suddenly live in peace

Little Wing · 01-25-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

No one here has said good and decent is belonging to one single religion. Where are you getting this stuff?

from the inability of the world's diverse religions to live in peace and acceptance of one another. from our president getting flak for acknowledging religious diversity here.

bio-chem · 01-25-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by danzik17

That one's easy - it was said earlier than America is the greatest nation because of it's Christian foundings. That's clearly not true if you believe that decent people exist outside of Christianity.

those two statements are not as mutually exclusive as you argue.

bio-chem · 01-25-2009, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by chobby192

Is your relationship with God is as same as kids relationship with Santa?

No. Your father is the man who married your mother.

the first part is just stupid. don't talk if you're not even going to pretend intelligence.

and i think a lot of people here can find fault with your logic that a father is simply the man who married your mother.

bio-chem · 01-25-2009, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Little Wing

from the inability of the world's diverse religions to live in peace and acceptance of one another. from our president getting flak for acknowledging religious diversity here.

I don't feel that either of your examples show this

chobby192 · 01-25-2009, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

Everybody is responsible for their own actions. I agree. No one has said otherwise.

the problems of the world will hardly be solved by humans. the united nations, or any other group is not going to solve genocide in the world. No peace plan is ever going to create an atmosphere where palestinians and Jews suddenly live in peace

It can be solved by humans, but they won't because of the greed and corruption. It is not the plan of god; it is result of our own selfish action driven by ignorant mind.

danzik17 · 01-25-2009, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

those two statements are not as mutually exclusive as you argue.

Please enlighten me then. Why isn't Britain the greatest nation since they have long been Christian/Catholic? Why isn't Italy the greatest nation since they have Rome and the Pope?

Why not the code of Hammurabi? Sure an eye for an eye is harsh, but surely it prevented such immoral things as murder and thievery?

bio-chem · 01-25-2009, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by chobby192

It can be solved by humans, but they won't because of the greed and corruption. It is not the plan of god; it is result of our own selfish action driven by ignorant mind.

you're funny. I hope you stick around

chobby192 · 01-25-2009, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

and i think a lot of people here can find fault with your logic that a father is simply the man who married your mother.

Did god have sex with your mother?, if not then he is not your father.

Big Smoothy · 01-25-2009, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DOMS

I'm okay with not only Jews, but also the policies of Israel.

What specific Israeli policies.

You make a lot of generalizations but rarely note details.

bio-chem · 01-25-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by danzik17

Please enlighten me then. Why isn't Britain the greatest nation since they have long been Christian/Catholic? Why isn't Italy the greatest nation since they have Rome and the Pope?

Why not the code of Hammurabi? Sure an eye for an eye is harsh, but surely it prevented such immoral things as murder and thievery?

Give me the criteria for defining the greatest nation and I think the US will stand at the top of that list. When you look at the root cause for these things in the US I believe it will be found in our Christian founding and heritage.

I don't think that the code of hammurabi is a nation. I don't think that babylon, the empire that the code of hammurabi started out in goes into discussion of current "greatest nations" but thats just me.

and I seriously doubt that the code of hammurabi prevented murder and thievery. It may have prevented the repeated act by the guilty individual punished, but I doubt it prevented many initial acts of thievery or murder.

bio-chem · 01-25-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by chobby192

Did god have sex with your mother?, if not then he is not your father.

please stop child. you are embarrassing yourself.

bio-chem · 01-25-2009, 12:59 AM

well im off to bed. Its been fun.

danzik17 · 01-25-2009, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

Give me the criteria for defining the greatest nation and I think the US will stand at the top of that list. When you look at the root cause for these things in the US I believe it will be found in our Christian founding and heritage.

I don't think that the code of hammurabi is a nation. I don't think that babylon, the empire that the code of hammurabi started out in goes into discussion of current "greatest nations" but thats just me.

and I seriously doubt that the code of hammurabi prevented murder and thievery. It may have prevented the repeated act by the guilty individual punished, but I doubt it prevented many initial acts of thievery or murder.

So you don't think it had anything to do with a two very large oceans giving us a strategic defensive advantage and separating us from the political wars of Europe (at the time)? Nor do you think that the Constitution is the primary driver of our greatness?

Surely a nation of Christian heritage and beliefs couldn't perpetrate something like the Trail of Tears?

You also didn't address my question as to why those other nations who long followed Christianity failed to be/remain the greatest nation on Earth.

Getting late so this is my last response for tonight. Ciao.

maniclion · 01-25-2009, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

The example of the woman you use is not a good one in my opinion. I have already stated that we have enough people committing suicide over the problems in Israel. If you want to effect change follow the lives of Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. These men did not commit suicide for their beliefs, yet effected great change by the way they lived. I find the woman committing suicide under a bulldozer to be a waste.

In a way Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. did give their lives same as the girl in front of the bulldozer. They all made their stands knowing that their was a possibility someone on the other side would want them dead yet they stood their ground and in the end each one was murdered.....

bio-chem · 01-25-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by maniclion

In a way Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. did give their lives same as the girl in front of the bulldozer. They all made their stands knowing that their was a possibility someone on the other side would want them dead yet they stood their ground and in the end each one was murdered.....

murdered and suicide are two different things. there is no comparison to what these two men accomplished and what this woman needlessly sacrificed her life for.

bio-chem · 01-25-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by danzik17

So you don't think it had anything to do with a two very large oceans giving us a strategic defensive advantage and separating us from the political wars of Europe (at the time)? Nor do you think that the Constitution is the primary driver of our greatness?

Surely a nation of Christian heritage and beliefs couldn't perpetrate something like the Trail of Tears?

You also didn't address my question as to why those other nations who long followed Christianity failed to be/remain the greatest nation on Earth.

Getting late so this is my last response for tonight. Ciao.

The very large ocean that separated us from europe was also the ocean our for fathers needed to cross in order to find religious freedom and practice Christianity as they chose. They were forced to leave the Christianity of europe behind.

The Consitution. The Consitution in my mind is a uniquely Christian, American Christian, document that has been copied multiple times over and is uniquely successful here in the United States. A look at the framers of this Constitution, at the founders of this nation and I find it impossible to separate their successes from their Christian faith.

the trail of tears? I didn't say we were perfect. I said we were the best. If you really want to sit here and argue which countries have the worst skeletons in the closet be my guest, but I don't really think that it is a beneficial use of anyones time.

DOMS · 01-25-2009, 11:59 AM

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the trail of tears? I didn't say we were perfect. I said we were the best. If you really want to sit here and argue which countries have the worst skeletons in the closet be my guest, but I don't really think that it is a beneficial use of anyones time.

Your post sparked a rather interesting thought.

Look at all the countries around the way based on religion. Now, based on each religion, look at how those countries are doing.

How fares the average Muslim country (e.g., Iran)? The average Buddhist country (e.g. China)? The average Christian country (e.g. The US)? It's not hard to see the strata of that grouping.

Now, consider those countries without religion. You'll find these in Africa. These are among the worst countries on the planet. Yeah for no religion...

bio-chem · 01-25-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Your post sparked a rather interesting thought.

Look at all the countries around the way based on religion. Now, based on each religion, look at how those countries are doing.

How fares the average Muslim country (e.g., Iran)? The average Buddhist country (e.g. China)? The average Christian country (e.g. The US)? It's not hard to see the strata of that grouping.

Now, consider those countries without religion. You'll find these in Africa. These are among the worst countries on the planet. Yeah for no religion...

Good call. I didn't even think of that. looking at the countries that have tried to build a nation denying God all together is interesting. Any of the Communistic countries. (anyone care to look up the numbers of people killed under Stalin or PolPot?) hell even the French revolution. I would love someone here to compare/contrast the American Revolution with the French Revolution. Same time period, very different results.

chobby192 · 01-25-2009, 12:35 PM

As a kid, I used to believe in superman, batman, santa, disney land, tarzan,etc. Is god created by human mind?

Did humans creat the god or the god created humans?

Splash Log · 01-25-2009, 01:46 PM

Was going to actually make some post about Israel and how a feel about them but your fucks have managed to drag into some fucking religious creationism tub of shit.

danzik17 · 01-25-2009, 02:04 PM

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Was going to actually make some post about Israel and how a feel about them but your fucks have managed to drag into some fucking religious creationism tub of shit.

Arguing about something that has no real answer is more interesting than listening to people whine about Conservatives or Liberals like babies.

chobby192 · 01-25-2009, 02:24 PM

I just hope there will be god waiting for them when they die; otherwise, they will be so mad at themselves for being so stupid all their lives.

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chobby192 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: united states Posts: 658	I just hope there will be god waiting for them when they die; otherwise, they will be so mad at themselves for being so stupid all their lives. China has become more capitalist than America; America has become more communist than China. ~ Propaganda Buster

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01-25-2009, 01:46 PM	#88
Splash Log Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,311	Was going to actually make some post about Israel and how a feel about them but your fucks have managed to drag into some fucking religious creationism tub of shit.