Thread: I Don't Hate Jews , I Hate Israel

Originally Posted by Yanick

DOMS, thanks for embedding it i'm like a goddamn mental midget with youtube for some reason.

And bio-chem, dude watch that video, it brings tons of shit to light...its only about an hour long. It shows how we (the west, not just israel) is getting played. They show how these people hold rallies IN AMERICA yelling "death to America." Yet we are scared, and have bleeding hearts and censor pictures of muhammed and so on and so forth.

It's time to bring back the crusades. we can make holy war as well.

Originally Posted by PreMier

im on number 8.. wow. wow.




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im buying it Obsession - Radical Islam's War Against the West - Shop

The most moving part for me was when they were discussing what Jihad means and they say how it means struggle and it necessarily war etc. Then Shoebat (ex PLO dude) says something along the lines of, yes Jihad means struggle but so does Mein Kampf.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

It's time to bring back the crusades. we can make holy war as well.

We can't do anything because we have too many bleeding hearts and would be crucified. I really think that the only answer is for the moderate, peaceful muslims to stand up for themselves and not be herded about like sheep by these radicals. Its the only way everyone wins.

The only fear i have is that more muslims than we think are indeed supportive of these terrorists. We are in for a big fucking surprise then.

Originally Posted by Yanick

We can't do anything because we have too many bleeding hearts and would be crucified. I really think that the only answer is for the moderate, peaceful muslims to stand up for themselves and not be herded about like sheep by these radicals. Its the only way everyone wins.

The only fear i have is that more muslims than we think are indeed supportive of these terrorists. We are in for a big fucking surprise then.

true

Originally Posted by Yanick

I really think that the only answer is for the moderate, peaceful muslims to stand up for themselves and not be herded about like sheep by these radicals.

Yeah, but I'd think that two people can make that much difference.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Yeah, but I'd think that two people can make that much difference.

hahahha

Originally Posted by Yanick

The most moving part for me was when they were discussing what Jihad means and they say how it means struggle and it necessarily war etc. Then Shoebat (ex PLO dude) says something along the lines of, yes Jihad means struggle but so does Mein Kampf.

yea, it was really amazing to learn that hitler was meeting with one of the muslim guys and having him form ss divisions. no wonder they hate the jews and western culture. hitlers influence spread much farther, and was much greater than i thought

I'm just wondering when Israel is going to get desperate and try to drag us into their shit like their failed attempt to sink a Navy ship in 1967 and blame it on Egypt during the 6 day war.....

The one in which our President Johnson recalled aircraft to help stating "that he did not care if every man drowned and the ship sank, but that he would not embarrass his allies."

Originally Posted by maniclion

I'm just wondering when Israel is going to get desperate and try to drag us into their shit like their failed attempt to sink a Navy ship in 1967 and blame it on Egypt during the 6 day war.....

The one in which our President Johnson recalled aircraft to help stating "that he did not care if every man drowned and the ship sank, but that he would not embarrass his allies."

a navy ship did sink however implying that israel had attacked it is simple speculation

Originally Posted by maniclion

I'm just wondering when Israel is going to get desperate and try to drag us into their shit like their failed attempt to sink a Navy ship in 1967 and blame it on Egypt during the 6 day war.....

The one in which our President Johnson recalled aircraft to help stating "that he did not care if every man drowned and the ship sank, but that he would not embarrass his allies."

The bullshit that you dig up is amazing.

The first sign that your video is shit is that they referred to the US downing it's own plane as a "terrorist attack." That bullshit movie is obviously post-9/11.

The Israelis weren't told by the US that the US had a ship in the area. An area that just happened to have a full-scale war going on.

Don't get me wrong, the Israelis fucked up, but it wasn't a done on purpose. Or, do you expect everyone to believe that during their largest war to date, the Israelis would take a moment out of their war to fire on their most powerful ally and patron? Yes, that makes absolute sense...

See, this is what happens when you don't think for yourself.

I do like the touches of having a old man dong the narrating so that it sounds like someone who might have been there and using the oldest video footage of a book showing a picture of whatever class the USS Liberty was.

Originally Posted by DOMS

The bullshit that you dig up is amazing.

The first sign that your video is shit is that they referred to the US downing it's own plane as a "terrorist attack." That bullshit movie is obviously post-9/11.

The Israelis weren't told by the US that the US had a ship in the area. An area that just happened to have a full-scale war going on.

Don't get me wrong, the Israelis fucked up, but it wasn't a done on purpose. Or, do you expect everyone to believe that during their largest war to date, the Israelis would take a moment out of their war to fire on their most powerful ally and patron? Yes, that makes absolute sense...

See, this is what happens when you don't think for yourself.

I do like the touches of having a old man dong the narrating so that it sounds like someone who might have been there and using the oldest video footage of a book showing a picture of whatever class the USS Liberty was.

There is evidence that Israel knew. A lot of evidence.

We all have are opinions.

Originally Posted by DOMS

The bullshit that you dig up is amazing.

See, this is what happens when you don't think for yourself.
You're deriding me for not thinking for myself. Believe me I researched deep into this before I formed my opinion. I decided to believe all of the evidence from the men who were actually there and who weren't Israeli. The CIA and Defense Department aren't giving out full details, the tapes they released are blanked over and missing 2 tapes. How could the Israeli's miss the huge American flag and the giant GTR5 painted on both sides of the ship for 2 hours? What kind of ally do we want who strafes lifeboats and defenseless sailors who've jumped ship? It's obvious they wanted no one left alive for the plan to work but they underestimated our US Sailors abilities to defend a ship. There are too many Intelligence analysts who have come forward saying they heard them identifying the ship as US...

I do like the touches of having a old man dong the narrating so that it sounds like someone who might have been there and using the oldest video footage of a book showing a picture of whatever class the USS Liberty was.

This isn't one of those 9/11 consp-theory's where the evidence is barely believable, this has eye-witness accounts from our own veterans, if there's one thing I learned in my time in service you learn that you can't trust any of the shit from the top level, but you can trust almost everything from the enlisted guys unless it's about women, alcohol or what they did on leave.....There is plenty of evidence in this one to weigh heavily in both directions and with our gov. hiding whatever it wants we may never know the truth.....

Originally Posted by maniclion

This isn't one of those 9/11 consp-theory's where the evidence is barely believable, this has eye-witness accounts from our own veterans, if there's one thing I learned in my time in service you learn that you can't trust any of the shit from the top level, but you can trust almost everything from the enlisted guys unless it's about women, alcohol or what they did on leave.....

Staffing life rafts? If I was fighting a foe that wanted to utterly annihilate me, I would do that to. Israeli's enemies don't want to "win", they want to kill every last Jew.

I'm not saying that the attack didn't take place, I'm saying that the cause isn't what you think it is.

Okay, time for some real basic thinking.

Why would Israel, who was in the biggest war they've had so far, want to purposefully attack their largest benefactor and ally?

What, fighting three larger countries wasn't enough? They also wanted to take on the most powerful country in the world? One that dwarfs all three of their current opponents?

Where the hell is the logic in that?

Friendly fire happens all of the time in every war. Every single war. It happens not only to allies, but to people in the same army. That friendly fire was the cause of the attack makes complete sense versus the rubbish that you're postulating.

what a fucking mess. not saying there's never a reason to fight but what a shitstorm.

Originally Posted by Little Wing

what a fucking mess. not saying there's never a reason to fight but what a shitstorm.

The reason that it's a shitstorm is due to international interference. If the rest of the world would just let that war run its natural course, it would be over in a couple of days.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Staffing life rafts? If I was fighting a foe that wanted to utterly annihilate me, I would do that to. Israeli's enemies don't want to "win", they want to kill every last Jew.

Friendly fire happens all of the time in every war. Every single war. It happens not only to allies, but to people in the same army. That friendly fire was the cause of the attack makes complete sense versus the rubbish that you're postulating.

Sink a US Research vessel and blame it on the Egyptians so that the US could enter the war and not have the Soviet's feel obligated to protect them against an unprovoked attack.....

Originally Posted by maniclion

Sink a US Research vessel and blame it on the Egyptians so that the US could enter the war and not have the Soviet's feel obligated to protect them against an unprovoked attack.....

Sure, the aircraft put a hole in the cruiser and then took off. Not bothering to finish the job.

Or maybe the believed the one hole was good enough and left in their supposedly unmarked aircraft. The job done.

Then the US ship sends out a radio message to them indicating that their Americans. So the planes, having forgotten the plan of appearing to be Egyptian, radio back that they're willing to help, even though the were getting away.

Look people nobody is perfect, and that includes Israel. I'm sure no one here is living a delusion that Israel or the Jews are saints. At the end of the day though i value a people which contributes to the good of the world.

What contributions have the Arabs given to the world in the last 100 years? As an objective measure i like to use Noble prizes. I don't know the number, but just go and look up how many noble prizes have been given to Jews and how many have been given to Arabs?

Not only that, but these people celebrated in the streets, had parades and parties after the twin towers fell. Nowhere in the history of the world have people behaved that way towards other people. Hell even Americans feel/felt bad for Japan for being nuked, no one celebrated the death of thousands in Times Square.

Yet everyone gives these people a free pass on that and nitpicks every tiny thing the Israelis mess up on. Its very obvious Israel would not attack the US, we cut funding and that place falls faster than a hookers panties at a bachelor party.

Does anyone here honestly believe Israel is trying to take over the world? These people just want a tiny piece of land for themselves, to be left in peace.

The sick bastard Arabs and such don't even try and cover up their hatred for Israel, America and all Western ideals yet we are arguing about a couple of mistakes that have been made. Its a little bit ridiculous if you ask me.

We weren't funding nor even helping Israel until 1968....

regardless, my other points still stand.

Originally Posted by maniclion

We weren't funding nor even helping Israel until 1968....

Openly, sure, but that doesn't change the fact that you don't pick on someone who's several times bigger than all three of the enemies that you're currently facing.

I don't know why you hate on Jews, but it doesn't change that one simple fact.

Israel was smart enough to beat the shit out three larger countries. They're smart enough to not go picking a fight with the most powerful nation in the middle of a war.

Human enough to commit some friendly fire? Sure. Stupid enough to add to their enemies in a war? I find it unlikely.

You also glossed over the fact that after they had gotten away scot-free, they came back.

Originally Posted by Yanick

The sick bastard Arabs and such don't even try and cover up their hatred for Israel, America and all Western ideals yet we are arguing about a couple of mistakes that have been made. Its a little bit ridiculous if you ask me.

That simple fact says it all.

Just goes to show you how many dumb fucks we have in our own country.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Openly, sure, but that doesn't change the fact that you don't pick on someone who's several times bigger than all three of the enemies that you're currently facing.

I don't know why you hate on Jews, but it doesn't change that one simple fact.

Israel was smart enough to beat the shit out three larger countries. They're smart enough to not go picking a fight with the most powerful nation in the middle of a war.

Human enough to commit some friendly fire? Sure. Stupid enough to add to their enemies in a war? I find it unlikely.

You also glossed over the fact that after they had gotten away scot-free, they came back.

A)who said I'm hating on Jews? B)Friendly fire doesn't include a barrage of napalm, white phosphorous, torpedos and everything else they threw at that ship for 2 hours C)when they realized that the ship wasn't going down after all they had done they reversed their position......I was in the Navy as a radioman I know how difficult it would be for them not to see all of the markings indicating it as a US Vessel, I also know that when a craft is in site comunications between them begin so that identification can be made.

Israel knew that ship was out there it was on there Op Centers board until 11 am that morning, knowing a US ship was operating in your waters wouldn't it be priority one to make damn sure what identity the ship was to avoid making such a grave mistake against the most pwerful nation?