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[suprfast]

True. Up until now i had not decided to reload. I have reload way back when with my dad's .357 but im looking at keeping costs down and accuracy up. I plan to do FMJ for the range shooting and i guess i can dial in some JHP for the home. I do not want bullets going through walls and potentially hitting one of the kids in a wost case scenario
Kris

[maniclion]

I miss shooting guns, I used to shoot at least 4 times a week back in Texas, but then I had acres of open pastures and woods, plus my dad's gun collection. There's this embankment by the main pond we used to set up targets and shoot, I bet in the future some one is going to strike it rich digging the lead out of that bastard.....

[bio-chem]

Albob had a post earlier in this thread that kind of struck a cord with me. home defense rounds should be off the shelf defense rounds or else an attorney will try and paint you as some sort of crazy gun nut out to kill people when you reload your own defense rounds. He explained it better than i just did though

[bio-chem]

Originally Posted by maniclion

I miss shooting guns, I used to shoot at least 4 times a week back in Texas, but then I had acres of open pastures and woods, plus my dad's gun collection. There's this embankment by the main pond we used to set up targets and shoot, I bet in the future some one is going to strike it rich digging the lead out of that bastard.....

not to late to go back to your roots.......

[ALBOB]

Originally Posted by suprfast

I was told to practice the same round that you plan to have loaded in the event someone breaks into the house.
Accuracy for the shooting range is most important.
kris

The THEORY behind that statement is very true but, don't take it literally. As was discussed earlier, keep your gun stoked with whatever your local cops keep in their duty guns. This helps keep you safe from the predators both outside and INSIDE the courtroom.

Now, as for your practice ammo being the same as your "duty" ammo. Again, completely valid theory. But what it really means is the same weight bullet loaded to the same velocity. That way your gun will recoil in training the exact same way it's going to recoil in a real self-defense situation. You learn to manage that recoil properly and keep decent groups in training, you should be able to do the same in real life.

That means you decide on your self defense ammo first. Let's say it's gonna be Federal 230 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point (JHP) which is rated at slightly faster than 900 feet per second (fps). There you go. When you start reloading you use 230 grain bullets loaded to 900 fps. But don't get hung up on using only JHPs in your reloads. Pure lead is fine since the only things you're worried about are bullet weight and velocity. And for practice, lead is a Hell of a lot cheaper.

[suprfast]

I was thinking of store bought after i typed that. A lot of work to do a few rounds. Thanks again BIO
kris

[suprfast]

Originally Posted by ALBOB

The THEORY behind that statement is very true but, don't take it literally. As was discussed earlier, keep your gun stoked with whatever your local cops keep in their duty guns. This helps keep you safe from the predators both outside and INSIDE the courtroom.

Now, as for your practice ammo being the same as your "duty" ammo. Again, completely valid theory. But what it really means is the same weight bullet loaded to the same velocity. That way your gun will recoil in training the exact same way it's going to recoil in a real self-defense situation. You learn to manage that recoil properly and keep decent groups in training, you should be able to do the same in real life.

That means you decide on your self defense ammo first. Let's say it's gonna be Federal 230 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point (JHP) which is rated at slightly faster than 900 feet per second (fps). There you go. When you start reloading you use 230 grain bullets loaded to 900 fps. But don't get hung up on using only JHPs in your reloads. Pure lead is fine since the only things you're worried about are bullet weight and velocity. And for practice, lead is a Hell of a lot cheaper.

It is cheaper, but i dont have any outdoor ranges. The thought of atomizing lead in closed areas for long periods of time doesnt impress me.

[bio-chem]

Originally Posted by ALBOB

The THEORY behind that statement is very true but, don't take it literally. As was discussed earlier, keep your gun stoked with whatever your local cops keep in their duty guns. This helps keep you safe from the predators both outside and INSIDE the courtroom.

Now, as for your practice ammo being the same as your "duty" ammo. Again, completely valid theory. But what it really means is the same weight bullet loaded to the same velocity. That way your gun will recoil in training the exact same way it's going to recoil in a real self-defense situation. You learn to manage that recoil properly and keep decent groups in training, you should be able to do the same in real life.

That means you decide on your self defense ammo first. Let's say it's gonna be Federal 230 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point (JHP) which is rated at slightly faster than 900 feet per second (fps). There you go. When you start reloading you use 230 grain bullets loaded to 900 fps. But don't get hung up on using only JHPs in your reloads. Pure lead is fine since the only things you're worried about are bullet weight and velocity. And for practice, lead is a Hell of a lot cheaper.

excellent post

[WillBrink]

Originally Posted by bio-chem

excellent post

The general recommendation is to run 300-500rnds of the ammo you intend to keep in the gun for CCW/SD, and make sure the gun is reliable with that specific ammo, and the rest is usually budget ammo. That's how most shooters do it. Even if I was into reloading, personal defense ammo would always come from the big ammo manufacturers for reasons pretty well outlined already. Finding out what your local PD carries exactly and using that is not a bad idea, and a common thing among shooters.

[maniclion]

And don't try to modify them by making dumdums or something silly like that.....

[bio-chem]

So I took the thing apart and cleaned it in preparation for hitting the range (shot like a Gem, best shooting gun out of the box I own) Things have changed a bit with 1911's since I was a kid. At least from my fathers Colt 20 years ago. It's going to be fun to learn the nuances of the 1911.

[WillBrink]

Originally Posted by bio-chem

So I took the thing apart and cleaned it in preparation for hitting the range (shot like a Gem, best shooting gun out of the box I own) Things have changed a bit with 1911's since I was a kid. At least from my fathers Colt 20 years ago. It's going to be fun to learn the nuances of the 1911.

Best thing you could do for yourself is take a course. That's the best $$$ you will ever spend. Most people never learn the nuances of the 1911.

[bio-chem]

another question for the reloaders here. i went back to my parents place in washington and raided all of the reloading equipment to get going. i even took all my dad's powder. here is the thing. he hasn't reloaded consistently over the last 10 years or so and the powder and primers are probably 10 years old now. You guys think this stuff is still good? Im thinking of reloading a batch of old powder/primers and reloading a batch with new as well to see if their is any difference. what are your thoughts?

[maniclion]

Originally Posted by bio-chem

another question for the reloaders here. i went back to my parents place in washington and raided all of the reloading equipment to get going. i even took all my dad's powder. here is the thing. he hasn't reloaded consistently over the last 10 years or so and the powder and primers are probably 10 years old now. You guys think this stuff is still good? Im thinking of reloading a batch of old powder/primers and reloading a batch with new as well to see if their is any difference. what are your thoughts?

Depends on how it was stored, sealed, low humidity, etc... Do a flash test on the powder, just light a pinch.... My step-dad had ancient powder in his gun cabinet, looked like it was from the 1940's and my brother and I made some small bombs to blow up some old toys and it still worked.....

[Little Wing]

my son isn't old enough to own a gun yet by my standards, he's 12, but he's definitely interested and enjoys books like this.


Tesla took a gun safety course and Ty will too before we even consider purchasing one. Ty has been allowed to have hunting knives, Swiss army and what i consider novelty knives (2) at this point and he's very responsible with them. As a divorced mom my protective instinct says no gun for a very long time.

I'm interested in hearing what some dads have to say about what age they think a boy is ready to own serious knives and firearms.

I'm 48 we were allowed to own guns at about 13 but to me that seems far too young. I really like the knives too and think target practicing would be a fun thing to do together later on like I did with my dad.

Opinions? Especially about age appropriateness.

[bio-chem]

Originally Posted by Little Wing

my son isn't old enough to own a gun yet by my standards, he's 12, but he's definitely interested and enjoys books like this.


Tesla took a gun safety course and Ty will too before we even consider purchasing one. Ty has been allowed to have hunting knives, Swiss army and what i consider novelty knives (2) at this point and he's very responsible with them. As a divorced mom my protective instinct says no gun for a very long time.

I'm interested in hearing what some dads have to say about what age they think a boy is ready to own serious knives and firearms.

I'm 48 we were allowed to own guns at about 13 but to me that seems far too young. I really like the knives too and think target practicing would be a fun thing to do together later on like I did with my dad.

Opinions? Especially about age appropriateness.

obviously I'm not a dad yet, so this may not work for you, but i would say guns are less an age thing and more a maturity thing. some kids can handle it some kids cant. you know your kid better than anyone, or should. at 14 i had a .308 rifle of my own. my parents knew anytime i left the house with it, and they knew exactly where i was going and when i would be back. I was shooting guns from an age much less than 12, but never without my parents accompanying me

[Little Wing]

yea, he'd gravitating toward the heavy machine guns like the Browning Model 1917. so i'm thinking never.

he gets up at night when he can't sleep n reads history books.

[danzik17]

Originally Posted by Little Wing

yea, he'd gravitating toward the heavy machine guns like the Browning Model 1917. so i'm thinking never.

he gets up at night when he can't sleep n reads history books.

Terminator style miniguns are perfectly legitimate for self defense

[Little Wing]

where we live there's not much need for self defense but i think marksmanship is a legitimate sport.

[bio-chem]

Originally Posted by Little Wing

where we live there's not much need for self defense but i think marksmanship is a legitimate sport.

Not much need for self-defense? Where is millennial utopia you speek of?

[Little Wing]

a fairly small town in maine.

[kswenso]

how do i deal with this problem?I injected 1cc of 100 mg of winstrol 2 days ago everything was clean and new. about 9 hours later where i gave my self the injection above the right knee it started hurting bad only when i walked and i had a lot of swelling. its been almost 4 days my leg dont hurt to walk but its still swollen bad and it feels hot about 14 hours after the injection i had flew like symtoms. im taking 500mg cipro just incase there is an infection. am i doing the wright thing will i be fine how long will i stay swollen

[Little Wing]

Originally Posted by kswenso

how do i deal with this problem?I injected 1cc of 100 mg of winstrol 2 days ago everything was clean and new. about 9 hours later where i gave my self the injection above the right knee it started hurting bad only when i walked and i had a lot of swelling. its been almost 4 days my leg dont hurt to walk but its still swollen bad and it feels hot about 14 hours after the injection i had flew like symtoms. im taking 500mg cipro just incase there is an infection. am i doing the wright thing will i be fine how long will i stay swollen

go to a dr and tell him the truth.

[bio-chem]

Originally Posted by kswenso

how do i deal with this problem?I injected 1cc of 100 mg of winstrol 2 days ago everything was clean and new. about 9 hours later where i gave my self the injection above the right knee it started hurting bad only when i walked and i had a lot of swelling. its been almost 4 days my leg dont hurt to walk but its still swollen bad and it feels hot about 14 hours after the injection i had flew like symtoms. im taking 500mg cipro just incase there is an infection. am i doing the wright thing will i be fine how long will i stay swollen

you could start by making your own thread in the appropriate place and get the hell out of this one

[ALBOB]

Originally Posted by bio-chem

another question for the reloaders here. i went back to my parents place in washington and raided all of the reloading equipment to get going. i even took all my dad's powder. here is the thing. he hasn't reloaded consistently over the last 10 years or so and the powder and primers are probably 10 years old now. You guys think this stuff is still good? Im thinking of reloading a batch of old powder/primers and reloading a batch with new as well to see if their is any difference. what are your thoughts?

Absolutely do NOT use any of that old stuff. You have no idea how it's been stored and therefore, how it will react in the chamber of your gun. You could use a perfectly reasonable amount of powder but, end up blowing your gun and possibly yourself sky high. Primers and powder have been difficult to come by and the prices have definitely gone up since whatshisname moved into the Oval office but, your eyes, hands and fingers are worth the extra $$$.

What to do with the old stuff? Take it on a camping trip and have a really cool bon-fire.

[Burner02]

Originally Posted by Little Wing

yea, he'd gravitating toward the heavy machine guns like the Browning Model 1917. so i'm thinking never.

he gets up at night when he can't sleep n reads history books.

at age 13, all boys tend to gravitate towards Ferraris and Lamborghinis (sp) too...
as mentioned, if you think he's mature enough, you can start w/ a Daisy BB gun for B-day or Christmas and back yard targets...then move up to a pellet gun and so forth.
i like the idea of gun safety courses for children...shows them that they are not toys and not like TV...

...as far as history goes, do y'all ever go any place with historical value? Battle fields? Would something like that be fun for him? Stand in the same place that something significant happened?

being older...I can now appreciate being places that I've seen in movies or have read about in books.

[bio-chem]

Originally Posted by ALBOB

Absolutely do NOT use any of that old stuff. You have no idea how it's been stored and therefore, how it will react in the chamber of your gun. You could use a perfectly reasonable amount of powder but, end up blowing your gun and possibly yourself sky high. Primers and powder have been difficult to come by and the prices have definitely gone up since whatshisname moved into the Oval office but, your eyes, hands and fingers are worth the extra $$$.

What to do with the old stuff? Take it on a camping trip and have a really cool bon-fire.

well in truth I know exactly how it has been stored. it's been stored in a room my father built in his garage for reloading. It's been kept at a constant temperature between 65-80 degrees F in the closed canisters the powder was sold in and humidity is not an issue because I grew up in southeastern washington, which is a desert. pretty much as good as conditions as one could ask for.

Im not opposed to purchasing new. money isn't the concern, just curious to the shelf life of powder and primers when kept properly.

[Burner02]

Originally Posted by Little Wing

where we live there's not much need for self defense but i think marksmanship is a legitimate sport.

...ya never know....

[Little Wing]

Originally Posted by Burner02

at age 13, all boys tend to gravitate towards Ferraris and Lamborghinis (sp) too...
as mentioned, if you think he's mature enough, you can start w/ a Daisy BB gun for B-day or Christmas and back yard targets...then move up to a pellet gun and so forth.
i like the idea of gun safety courses for children...shows them that they are not toys and not like TV...

...as far as history goes, do y'all ever go any place with historical value? Battle fields? Would something like that be fun for him? Stand in the same place that something significant happened?

being older...I can now appreciate being places that I've seen in movies or have read about in books.

we all got bb guns when i was 10 and my youngest brother was 6. we were good with ours but the little asshole next door who was a year older than me shot me with his. what a fuckhead. i still remember how bad it hurt and i still pissed the little shit lied his way out of it. his name was robin, maybe enough punishment already.

Maine Bureau of Parks and Lands:

there are a lot of cool places to go in Maine. now that he's getting old enough to appreciate the significance, we're going to plan some outings.

i'm not sure if Aberdeen Proving grounds is still open to the public but I remember going there and seeing a huge weapons display and things like booby traps from Vietnam.... i want to go there again.

[bio-chem]

Originally Posted by Little Wing

i'm not sure if Aberdeen Proving grounds is still open to the public but I remember going there and seeing a huge weapons display and things like booby traps from Vietnam.... i want to go there again.

this partially explains his interest in machine guns methinks.