Thread: Joe Rogan's letter to Kelloggs

Originally Posted by KelJu

I never said it was harmless. I said it wasn't dangerous. You do realize that harmless and dangerous are two polar opposites on a spectrum and most shit falls somewhere in the middle?

I do have an attitude when it comes to this, because I have been battling to deal with other people's lack of knowledge and down right ignorance when it comes to things that affect laws.

My point revolves around the comparison of the dangerous things we do that are legal compared against the fairly harmless things that are against the law. It affects my life. I want to be able to get safe, strong pot without fear of being criminalized.

Under inflated tires are 100 times more dangerous than pot. Football is 100 times more dangerous than pot. The main point is you can't ban a substance based on your perceived danger of it if you aren't going to look at the big picture. How do you feel about the fact that the media makes steroids out to be the boogie man? don't you just hate that shit. Don't you want to strangle morons sometimes when you hear them say ignorant stupid shit about steroids? Well, dude I fell the same fucking way when people start making pot out to be the boogieman, when it isn't.

Forgive me if I came across as abusive, but I get transported to a world of anger and rage every time I hear people say shit like pot is as dangerous as other recreational drugs. That comment makes me what to slap myself to distract myself from the pain.

I posted facts of the dangers of legal substances. I ask you to post data about the danger of an illegal substance, and you haven't. Its a fair question.

If a is worse than b, why is a legal and b illegal? I know why. If you know the history of pot in this country, you would know it made illegal for reasons other than possible danger it imposed on people.

you got angry because you transplanted past arguments into this one. i said a benign statement that is 100% true. marijuana is not harmless, everything we eat, drink, breathe is dangerous, but for some reason people think that pot is the one thing that isn't. that was all that i am commenting on. you are inhaling carcinogens and tar amongst a bevy of other contaminants, that is dangerous. you are comparing pot to things that it cannot be compared to, everything you mentioned can kill you in a single catastrophic event, pot cannot, it will however create possbile long term health problems. so to say it is harmless is a dangerous and ignorant statement, and that is why i commented. now i am not saying pot is going to kill you if you smoke twice, so i am not going to argue that point, but yes, anytime you are voluntarily putting carcinogens into your body, i will call that dangerous.

keep the hostilty and insults for people for are against marijuana and its legalization, that is not what is being discussed here.

Originally Posted by nni

you got angry because you transplanted past arguments into this one. i said a benign statement that is 100% true. marijuana is not harmless, everything we eat, drink, breathe is dangerous, but for some reason people think that pot is the one thing that isn't. that was all that i am commenting on. you are inhaling carcinogens and tar amongst a bevy of other contaminants, that is dangerous. you are comparing pot to things that it cannot be compared to, everything you mentioned can kill you in a single catastrophic event, pot cannot, it will however create possbile long term health problems. so to say it is harmless is a dangerous and ignorant statement, and that is why i commented. now i am not saying pot is going to kill you if you smoke twice, so i am not going to argue that point, but yes, anytime you are voluntarily putting carcinogens into your body, i will call that dangerous.

keep the hostility and insults for people for are against marijuana and its legalization, that is not what is being discussed here.

No. This comment. You said it. You posted it. I'm quoting it.

Originally Posted by nni

i have nothing against marijuana, but people need to stop with it being harmless, it is far from that. it is as dangerous as any other "recreational" item used by the masses.

This started the argument. You can say you misspoke, or you can say you didn't mean it, but you posted it. You can dance around it all day, but look up there...its right there.


Saying pot is as dangerous as other recreation drugs is like saying a poodle is as dangerous as a pitbull because they are both dogs that can bite you.

Your wrong. End of story.

KelJu = our new MJ spokesman.

I have no interest in getting involved in this, I am happy enjoying it from afar. However nni would I be correct in thinking you would be better served using the word ''harmful'' as opposed to ''dangerous''?

Originally Posted by KelJu

No. This comment. You said it. You posted it. I'm quoting it.


This started the argument. You can say you misspoke, or you can say you didn't mean it, but you posted it. You can dance around it all day, but look up there...its right there.


Saying pot is as dangerous as other recreation drugs is like saying a poodle is as dangerous as a pitbull because they are both dogs that can bite you.

Your wrong. End of story.

no im not, again, i am saying it is as harmful/dangerous as any recreational drug. im amazed that someone would take that to mean that all recreational drugs are of the same danger. they all have risks involved and no two are identical, making that leap, is your doing. there are people who did not make the same leap that you did. i clarified for your purposes, the comment i said i stand by, there is no dancing or retracting. there are dangers associated with smoking marijuana. if you want to believe there are none and it is perfectly safe, then go for it. at the same time, you are not arguing the dangers of pot, you are discussing everything else but pot, so there is no argument, there is you talking about how everything is dangerous from tires to alcohol, but no mention of marijuana. obviously you are passionate about this, and that seems to be clouding your ability to grasp what is being discussed.

being as you have a hard time understanding my comments(), (i thought it was clear), my basic statement is that people who say pot is harmless are wrong. do you agree with that?

Originally Posted by Moondogg

I have no interest in getting involved in this, I am happy enjoying it from afar. However nni would I be correct in thinking you would be better served using the word ''harmful'' as opposed to ''dangerous''?

harmful would also be appropriate, but like i said previously anytime you are taking in carcinogens, i consider it a dangerous practice. if you want to swap either, go for it, but they are essentially the same.

I would consider inhaling any type of smoke being bad.

Crack saved my life

Originally Posted by nni

being as you have a hard time understanding my comments(), (i thought it was clear), my basic statement is that people who say pot is harmless are wrong. do you agree with that?

I would agree 100% There are tons of dangers associated with cannabis use. Carcinogens, decreased cognitive abilities, legal ramifications to name just a few. Not one person in here said there was no danger in using cannibals. All of us are on the same page. However, "Dangerous" is a serious word, and you aren't using it properly.


I'll give you some examples. Sports are dangerous. However, golf isn't as dangerous as football.

Well how can I make such a claim? Because there is data collected and statistics on reported injuries and deaths associated with the two sports.

Well, in our stupid debate we have going, you refuse, fucking refuse, to cite any information, data, or statistics of any kind to support your claim that pot is as dangerous as other recreation drugs. You keep saying the same dumb shit over and over. Post something useful. What leads you to your conclusion? Did you just pull it out of your ass? You speak Engrish?

Seriously man, what are you not getting. Reread the thread. Everyone is saying you are full of shit and talking out of your ass. I agree 100% of their assessment.

It basically boils down to the fact that you don't understand what "as dangerous as" means.

"as dangerous as any recreational drug" is a huge fucking statement.

You know, we could just make tea out of it, and that would take the whole issue of inhaling smoke/tar out of the equation.

Originally Posted by KelJu

I would agree 100% There are tons of dangers associated with cannabis use. Carcinogens, decreased cognitive abilities, legal ramifications to name just a few. Not one person in here said there was no danger in using cannibals. All of us are on the same page. However, "Dangerous" is a serious word, and you aren't using it properly.


I'll give you some examples. Sports are dangerous. However, golf isn't as dangerous as football.

Well how can I make such a claim? Because there is data collected and statistics on reported injuries and deaths associated with the two sports.

Well, in our stupid debate we have going, you refuse, fucking refuse, to cite any information, data, or statistics of any kind to support your claim that pot is as dangerous as other recreation drugs. You keep saying the same dumb shit over and over. Post something useful. What leads you to your conclusion? Did you just pull it out of your ass? You speak Engrish?

Seriously man, what are you not getting. Reread the thread. Everyone is saying you are full of shit and talking out of your ass. I agree 100% of their assessment.

It basically boils down to the fact that you don't understand what "as dangerous as" means.

"as dangerous as any recreational drug" is a huge fucking statement.

again with the insults.i am well aware what dangerous means. you yourself just admitted that it is dangerous and i still need to provide proof? i said a small statement that you yourself agree with, yet are arguing me over what? degree of danger? that isnt my argument, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. your are seriously dense man, you are arguing something completely different than what i was discussing.

again, i speak english, i question your mastery of it. "it is as dangerous as any recreational drug" infers that all drugs have a danger and pot is no different. in your mind you took it t mean that heroin = pot. you want to argue that, and insult me over your misunderstanding, even after i have explained it several times, then have fun. i have to provide no data to prove a fact that you yourself just agreed to. what data would you like me to provide to show that dangers exist? i mentioned carcinogens, i mentioned tar, i mentioned a study, this is all common knowledge. would you like me to provde data as to why direct contact with fire is dangerous to humans? it is common sense, use it.

your main problem seems to be your misunderstanding of my statement, which i explained at least three times now, or my use of the word dangerous. well dangerous means "able or likely to inflict injury or harm." well inhaling carcinogens are able to inflict harm. it seems you are the one with the issue with understanding here. ive said all that needs to be said, and honestly you are just being an ass, and i have no desire to continue arguing with someone like yourself. especially when you are not discussing what i am discussing. have a good one.

Originally Posted by IronAddict

You know, we could just make tea out of it, and that would take the whole issue of inhaling smoke/tar out of the equation.

i wonder how that would taste. (seriously)

Originally Posted by IronAddict

You know, we could just make tea out of it, and that would take the whole issue of inhaling smoke/tar out of the equation.

Marijuana recipe thread. BAM!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by nni

i wonder how that would taste. (seriously)

It's really not that bad, but it is an aquired taste. Kinda like Green tea, bitter.
You can add sugar or lemon to mask the taste.

Originally Posted by IronAddict

It's really not that bad, but it is an aquired taste. Kinda like Green tea, bitter.
You can add sugar or lemon to mask the taste.

i wonder how much of the effect is lost in this form, obviously some would be lost, but to what degree.

I'm done with this argument, and saddened that I wasn't this much time on it.

Originally Posted by IronAddict

You know, we could just make tea out of it, and that would take the whole issue of inhaling smoke/tar out of the equation.

I have eaten it before, and it wasn't half bad, but it took a long time to hit me, and wasn't as intense.

If you make tea, be realy careful, because stoves are dangerous.

Originally Posted by KelJu

I'm done with this argument, and saddened that I wasn't this much time on it.



I have eaten it before, and it wasn't half bad, but it took a long time to hit me, and wasn't as intense.

If you make tea, be realy careful, because stoves are dangerous.

I'm really laughing out loud. I needed to smile today.

BTW, i'm cutting you off. Only 250mg of test a week.

Originally Posted by ROID

Marijuana recipe thread. BAM!!!!!!!!!

Haha... Like the Emeril reference.

I love to simmer a few buds in a pan of butter and then put
it on a sourdough roll, over steamed veggies or tossed into some fresh made
pasta with fresh grated parmesan and balsamic vinaigrette(I call it Pastafarian Delight). Even though it takes longer to hit I like the mental stimulation plus it lasts longer than smoking it does....