Obama calls for understanding in Notre Dame speech

**min0 lee** · 05-17-2009, 01:14 PM

Obama calls for understanding in Notre Dame speech
By JULIE PACE, Associated Press Writer – 4 mins ago
SOUTH BEND, Ind. – President Barack Obama strode head-on Sunday into the stormy abortion debate and told graduates at America's leading Roman Catholic university that both sides must stop demonizing one another.
Obama acknowledged that "no matter how much we want to fudge it ... the fact is that at some level, the views of the two camps are irreconcilable." But he still implored the University of Notre Dame's graduating class and all in the U.S. to stop "reducing those with differing views to caricature. Open hearts. Open minds. Fair-minded words. It's a way of life that always has been the Notre Dame tradition."
One of the noisiest controversies of his young presidency flared after Obama, who supports abortion rights but says the procedure should be rare, was invited to speak at the school and receive an honorary degree. "I do not suggest that the debate surrounding abortion can or should go away," the president said.
Just before Obama arrived in South Bend, at least five people were led away in handcuffs from protests outside the university. They included Norma McCorvey, the plaintiff identified as "Roe" in the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion. She now opposes abortion and joined more than 300 anti-abortion demonstrators at the school's front gate.
More than half held signs, some declaring "Shame on Notre Dame" and "Stop Abortion Now" to express their anger over Notre Dame's invitation to Obama............more

**busyLivin** · 05-17-2009, 03:00 PM

The Catholic church has some work to do in America. When a majority of it's American members vote for a man with his past on abortion & it's universities are inviting him to speak & bestow an honorary diploma, something is really fucked up.

**bio-chem** · 05-17-2009, 06:26 PM

i haven't read the entire transcript, but from what i've seen i like and agree with what obama said here. now if i could only reconcile what his voting record is with the words he has spoken.

**Shae2K3** · 05-18-2009, 07:14 AM

God,

I remember that speech being aired yesturday to all airport patrons at my work. I was watching on wile I was eating my lunch and there were like 200 people around me. After 10 minutes of Obama's talking, about 150 left mumbling somthing along the lines of "Obama is talking nonsense."

Damn. That 150 must be Republican.

**IronAddict** · 05-18-2009, 09:19 AM

Oh I see, The catholic church so believes in pro-life that they condone a phony war and allow our youth to be killed when they're much older than a fertalized egg.

catholic priests, it's also wrong to be pederasts, but, that's besides the point!

What a bunch of crock.

**busyLivin** · 05-18-2009, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by IronAddict

Oh I see, The catholic church so believes in pro-life that they condone a phony war and allow our youth to be killed when they're much older than a fertalized egg.

catholic priests, it's also wrong to be pederasts, but, that's besides the point!

What a bunch of crock.

You people amuse me. No matter what the issue is you're going to continue to bring up the sexual scandal. I make no excuses for it.. it was horrible. But what that has to do with a 3,000+ year old belief in the sanctity of life? Again, I'm not defending the scandal.. but is that really all you can use to dispute an argument over abortion?

**IronAddict** · 05-18-2009, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by busyLivin

You people amuse me. No matter what the issue is you're going to continue to bring up the sexual scandal. I make no excuses for it.. it was horrible. But what that has to do with a 3,000+ year old belief in the sanctity of life? Again, I'm not defending the scandal.. but is that really all you can use to dispute an argument over abortion?

Of coarse I am. How can a group of lawless people try to get me to live by their rules! Such hypocracy.

**busyLivin** · 05-18-2009, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by IronAddict

Of coarse I am. How can a group of lawless people try to get me to live by their rules! Such hypocracy.

are you Catholic?

**IronAddict** · 05-18-2009, 09:58 AM

negatory

**busyLivin** · 05-18-2009, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by IronAddict

negatory

then why do you think the Catholic church wants to get you to live by it's rules?

They are objecting to a Catholic institution honoring a man who's past supports not only abortion, but late term abortion.

**bio-chem** · 05-18-2009, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by busyLivin

then why do you think the Catholic church wants to get you to live by it's rules?

They are objecting to a Catholic institution honoring a man who's past supports not only abortion, but late term abortion.

**IronAddict** · 05-18-2009, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by busyLivin

then why do you think the Catholic church wants to get you to live by it's rules?

They are objecting to a Catholic institution honoring a man who's past supports not only abortion, but late term abortion.

Because they have Rep. politicians espousing their beliefs everyday trying to brainwash me into believing their beliefs.

This is just a wedge issue that is used to rile up the rabble, and I know this. They are guilty of supporting the fool GWB, and backed the worst foreign affairs blunder in history. Supported the killing of thousands of Americans, hundreds of thousands Iraqis and Afghanis. And they're trying to tell women they can't do whatever they wish with their own bodies.

No, they couldn't be in cahoots could they!

**bio-chem** · 05-18-2009, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by IronAddict

Because they have Rep. politicians espousing their beliefs everyday trying to brainwash me into believing their beliefs.

This is just a wedge issue that is used to rile up the rabble, and I know this. They are guilty of supporting the fool GWB, and backed the worst foreign affairs blunder in history. Supported the killing of thousands of Americans, hundreds of thousands Iraqis and Afghanis. And they're trying to tell women they can't do whatever they wish with their own bodies.

No, they couldn't be in cahoots could they!

you're even more gone than i had previously thought

**IronAddict** · 05-18-2009, 10:39 AM

Oh I forgot, Never cloud the issue with facts.

**busyLivin** · 05-18-2009, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by IronAddict

They are guilty of supporting the fool GWB, and backed the worst foreign affairs blunder in history. Supported the killing of thousands of Americans, hundreds of thousands Iraqis and Afghanis. And they're trying to tell women they can't do whatever they wish with their own bodies.

They were adamately against the wars. Come back when you have a clue.

**busyLivin** · 05-18-2009, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by IronAddict

Because they have Rep. politicians espousing their beliefs everyday trying to brainwash me into believing their beliefs.

Can you name one?

**IronAddict** · 05-18-2009, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by busyLivin

Can you name one?

Shirley, you jest.

**busyLivin** · 05-18-2009, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by IronAddict

Shirley, you jest.

Still waiting for one Catholic republican espousing their beliefs trying to brainwash you.

In vain, I know. My point is that you are talking out of your ass.

**IronAddict** · 05-18-2009, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by busyLivin

They were adamately against the wars. Come back when you have a clue.

Ah, I see. So then they spoke out when dunderhead called it a crusade, huh.

Double speak, which obviously works on a few!

Since you wanna be cantankerous, you get the clue! And I've got a house in the desert with an ocean view. I'll sell it to you at a very good price.

**IronAddict** · 05-18-2009, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by busyLivin

Still waiting for one Catholic republican espousing their beliefs trying to brainwash you.

In vain, I know. My point is that you are talking out of your ass.

Again, shirley you jest!

**bio-chem** · 05-18-2009, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by IronAddict

Oh I forgot, Never cloud the issue with facts.

nothing you posted was even close to resembling fact

**Hench** · 05-18-2009, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by busyLivin

then why do you think the Catholic church wants to get you to live by it's rules?

Sorry, just tuning in.

lol, is this a joke? Christians not wanting other non-christians to live by the rules of God? That sounds about right, I hear they like to keep it pretty exclusive.....

**IronAddict** · 05-18-2009, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by bio-chem

nothing you posted was even close to resembling fact

Avis in caput magnum futuens tuum cacet.

**bio-chem** · 05-18-2009, 02:24 PM

sana, di ka magtatagal dito.

**busyLivin** · 05-18-2009, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Moondogg

Sorry, just tuning in.

lol, is this a joke? Christians not wanting other non-christians to live by the rules of God? That sounds about right, I hear they like to keep it pretty exclusive.....

Of course they think everyone should live by God's rules, but they only have the authority (if I can call it that) to tell Catholics what to do.

It's ridiculous for IronAddict to complain he's being attacked/brainwashed when he's not even Catholic. That's like me complaining that Muslim's restriction on alcohol is hampering my weekend night life.

**IronAddict** · 05-18-2009, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by bio-chem

sana, di ka magtatagal dito.

what's good for the goose is good for the gander, huh!

**Hench** · 05-18-2009, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by busyLivin

Of course they think everyone should live by God's rules, but they only have the authority (if I can call it that) to tell Catholics what to do.

It's ridiculous for IronAddict to complain he's being attacked/brainwashed when he's not even Catholic. That's like me complaining that Muslim's restriction on alcohol is hampering my weekend night life.

Fair enough.

The only thing I would say is that the catholic church's stand on some issues (spread of aids in Africa being one that particularly gets to me) and the sex scandal stuff do leave them open for some attack.

**IronAddict** · 05-18-2009, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by busyLivin

Of course they think everyone should live by God's rules, but they only have the authority (if I can call it that) to tell Catholics what to do.

It's ridiculous for IronAddict to complain he's being attacked/brainwashed when he's not even Catholic. That's like me complaining that Muslim's restriction on alcohol is hampering my weekend night life.

Again, I can never be brainwashed DA. If I could, I'd have the same lack of reasoning and logic as you.

**bio-chem** · 05-18-2009, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by IronAddict

Again, I can never be brainwashed DA. If I could, I'd have the same lack of reasoning and logic as you.

of course you have been brain washed. i don't think anyone on this forum drinks more from the democrats kool aid than you do

**Dale Mabry** · 05-18-2009, 03:51 PM

I don't think Christianity is being pushed on anyone by Christians. They have a lot of swing in the GOP and want their voice heard just like everyone else, and it seems that they are pushing it, but they are no more pushing it than others are pushing against it.

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