Thread: Clen/T3/Ketotifen advise

Well we are in a similar situation. I sort of plateaued recently and was looking for a jumpstart.
Just started T3, clen and ketotifen last Saturday.

I researched it as well and most people said to throw in an anabolic steroid of some kind so I am going to do 500mg of Test Enanthate per week. I took an injection on Monday. People said that t3 will burn both fat and muscle so an anabolic is needed.
I had the test anyhow so I was going to do that.
I found that in just a few days now. I have a noticeable change in bodyfat (oddly enough my wife says my muscles look smaller, not sure if its just the fat gone over the top).
What I did was kick up my cardio though to take advantage of the stack. So I am doing 1.5 hours of cardio, about 1800 calories burned in the morning, another 1200 calories in the evening since I started.
Plus 30-45 minutes of lifting one major bodypart per day.
So I guess my suggestion to you to hasten the time to your finish line is to double your cardio by adding an extra session if your schedule permits.

Also, I have cut the starches out and have a protein centered meal with lots of veggies but little oats, potatoes or bread. Being Irishman myself, I grew up with potatoes and bread on the table every night so this is only temporary until I get to single digit bf% and then can slowly add them back in when I switch to maintenance diet and exercise regimen as opposed to the cutting cyle I am on now.

I was thinking about the getting my thryoid tested but I figured meh, Ill test it awhile after the t3 as thats when it really means something. My main point is to maximize all the cardio I am doing. So far it seems to be noticeable in just the last five days. Of course Ive burned 15,000 calories on the treadmill in that time. So who knows?

Good luck and consider adding an anabolic into the mix to prevent burning your muscle away with the T3.

Oh and almost forgot, I am not 100% sure but I was taking 1mg of ketotifen at night and the next morning didnt feel so hot. Then night before yesterday, I took 2mg of keto before bedtime (I take the clen in the morning) and I felt like complete dogshit yesterday, tired as hell all day. Didnt take it last night, took diphenhydramine instead, woke up feeling 1000% better than yesterday. Not positive it was the ketotifen hangover, could just be the 450 mg of test prop/enanthate I took on Monday kicking in that made me feel so much better. But if you feeling like shit, trying substituting benadryl for the keto. I have read that it does the same thing and much less expensive

Cheers for that Bill.

I've probably read all the same stuff you have by the sounds of things.

Although I'm gonna try avoid the anabolics for the time being, I just planned on upping my protein intake to around 350/400g per day.

Thats a LOT of training! Your CNS will be taking a hell of a battering with that much training & stimulants, when I do double sessions back to back for days/weeks on end I usually end up with some kind of poxy cold or flu.
Unfortunately I work 10/11 hrs a day so monday-tuesday-thursday-friday its cardio-work-weights-sleep... its hard to find the time to have a wank never mind anything else..

I had read about people using benadryl as opposed to the ketotifen but I didn't know weather or not the Irish version would have ketotifen in it. After some quick googling I see diphenhydramine(benadryl) - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphenhydramine has what you need, the only difference being thats a first gen antihistamine and ketotifen - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketotifen is a second gen antihistamine... some interesting reading there, the ketotifen looks like its sold over here under Claritin Eye.

I think when I do start I'll give the ketotifen a bash and take it from there. Just out of interest what brand/strength did you get the clen/t3/ketotifen? this is the one I got clenbuterol.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_ id=5 and how much benadryl are you taking each night?

Yup on the reading thing

As far as the anabolics are concerned. I'm on prescription testosterone replacement, just at a lower dose than I will be taking, I just upped the dose. I figured if Im going to do it, might as well up the test dose.

The training Im used to by now, I did feel run down all the time and kept doing it, but that was b/c my natural testosterone level was in the dirt, dont know if that was from the cardio.
But since I got my test levels back up I feel great, like no stopping me on the treadmill and dont feel sick at all. Thats hard to work those hours and get to the gym, luckily I work on easy street, 4 days a week 7 hours a day so I have the time.

Now about the benadryl/diphenhydramine, I happened across a web article written about clen and that but I dont have it to link to you, sorry, but it seemed very well written and scientific explanations. If you have access to ketotifen and it doesnt make you groggy then no reason not to use that as that what most of the info. about suggests using that. I just am currently testing it out on myself if it was the keto causing me to feel bad and not sure yet. Goign to try it again this weekend and let you know.

I got mine from a liquid research company. So it was 12,000 mcg of clenbuterol @ 200mg/mL in a 60mL bottle and the T3 was 60mL at 100mg/mL total of 6000mg. Just have to use a syringe to measure the dosage. Its cheaper that way, with the keto it was a little over a hundred bucks in the states.

Let me know how you going with it. So far I am liking what I see after a week. This is exactly what I needed to kickstart off the plateau

What dosage you using? You probably came across the same six week cycle with the clen/t3. I figure I am going to stick with that but not taking the 2 weeks off and alternate with ECA like they suggest b/c I am taking the antihistamines diphen or keto to keep up the beta receptors

just dont go over 40-60mcg t3 a day!!!

Originally Posted by BrothaBill

Yup on the reading thing

As far as the anabolics are concerned. I'm on prescription testosterone replacement, just at a lower dose than I will be taking, I just upped the dose. I figured if Im going to do it, might as well up the test dose.

The training Im used to by now, I did feel run down all the time and kept doing it, but that was b/c my natural testosterone level was in the dirt, dont know if that was from the cardio.
But since I got my test levels back up I feel great, like no stopping me on the treadmill and dont feel sick at all. Thats hard to work those hours and get to the gym, luckily I work on easy street, 4 days a week 7 hours a day so I have the time.

Now about the benadryl/diphenhydramine, I happened across a web article written about clen and that but I dont have it to link to you, sorry, but it seemed very well written and scientific explanations. If you have access to ketotifen and it doesnt make you groggy then no reason not to use that as that what most of the info. about suggests using that. I just am currently testing it out on myself if it was the keto causing me to feel bad and not sure yet. Goign to try it again this weekend and let you know.

I got mine from a liquid research company. So it was 12,000 mcg of clenbuterol @ 200mg/mL in a 60mL bottle and the T3 was 60mL at 100mg/mL total of 6000mg. Just have to use a syringe to measure the dosage. Its cheaper that way, with the keto it was a little over a hundred bucks in the states.

Let me know how you going with it. So far I am liking what I see after a week. This is exactly what I needed to kickstart off the plateau

What dosage you using? You probably came across the same six week cycle with the clen/t3. I figure I am going to stick with that but not taking the 2 weeks off and alternate with ECA like they suggest b/c I am taking the antihistamines diphen or keto to keep up the beta receptors

Shit that was much cheaper than what I got... only my keto was a generic, the T3 and clen they seem to make themselves. They do have a certificate on their website confirming the grade/quality but sure the only way I'll know if they are any good is when I start taking them.

I haven't started yet, I'm starting in the last day of May for 10/12 weeks max. I plan on running the clen for 6 weeks minimum and I'll see where I'm at then. I have read conflicting studies/opinions on running the T3 for longer than 3 weeks, so I still haven't made my mind up on that. I was thinking something like this if I only run T3 for 3 weeks

W1 clen
W2 clen
W3 clen/t3/keto
W4 clen/t3/keto
W5 clen/t3/keto
W6 clen/keto
W7 eca
W8 eca
W9 clen/keto
W10 clen/t3/keto
W11 clen/t3/keto
W12 clen/t3/keto

Then run guggulsterones for 2/3 weeks to get natural T3 production and my metabolism working again...

But I am leaning towards just running T3 straight through to week 6 or 7 and then just tapering off everything after that. The lads I train with have ran it that long without any problems and they know their stuff, but I still want to look into it a bit more before committing to it...

Originally Posted by WFC2010

just dont go over 40-60mcg t3 a day!!!

that's a bit low don't you think? I had planned on going up to 100mcg then tapering back off and going with guggulsterones or something similar from week 7-10.

This part below is an email from clenbuterol.co.uk, which I'm not sure what way to take. Either the 100mcg tabs I got are not of a high grade(which I doubt as T3 can't be that expensive in bulk) or it is a high grade and he is just thinking of turn over? He recommends building up to 300mcg for 2/3 weeks, that sounds like an extremely high dosage from everything I have read on T3 so far.

Originally Posted by clenbuterol.co.uk

Dear Customer,

please note that we have these two cytomel products available and stock can change daily so we cannot reflect it on our website. One is a mix with T3+T4, and the one you received is pure T3 100mcg.

The T3 is the predominant and more effective substance regarding weight loss, so you have a very good product there. You should start with half a tab and work you way slowly to 2-3 tabs/day for max. 3 weeks before taking a break and let your body recover.

We can assure you that all our products are real.

Thank you

Niko A.
Senior Support

Originally Posted by paddy

I'm 24, 5'12 & 98KG.

I just weighed myself for the first time in over a month today, and I was 95.6KG... I don't like weighing scales, I usually just use a mirror or calipers. My waist is still the same size...

from what i have researched t3 can be run for a longer period of time than what was previously the norm. i wish i could find the study but basicly there was a mis diagnosed hypothyroidism and was on t3 for years and after the meds were discontinued thyroid function returned to normal. Im not saying to stay on it for months and months on end but from my personal experience i can run it for 12wks and have no problems coming off.
just be sure when you do come off you run another fat burner (ex hydroxycut or lipo 6)for at least three weeks while your thyroid returns to its natural function.
as for the dosage if your not on aas don't go over 50 maybe 60mcg like wfc said and if on aas i only go up to 75mcg with great results.
hope this helps.

Originally Posted by nd2bhge

from what i have researched t3 can be run for a longer period of time than what was previously the norm. i wish i could find the study but basicly there was a mis diagnosed hypothyroidism and was on t3 for years and after the meds were discontinued thyroid function returned to normal. Im not saying to stay on it for months and months on end but from my personal experience i can run it for 12wks and have no problems coming off.
just be sure when you do come off you run another fat burner (ex hydroxycut or lipo 6)for at least three weeks while your thyroid returns to its natural function.
as for the dosage if your not on aas don't go over 50 maybe 60mcg like wfc said and if on aas i only go up to 75mcg with great results.
hope this helps.

Cheers for that, I think the study your referring to is (Greer,M. N Engl J Med 244:385, 1951) where he had people on T3 for up to 30 years and their thyroids returned to normal levels within 2 weeks. Now that sounds extreme!

Google these if you want to see other studies done on it

Greer,M. N Engl J Med 244:385, 1951

N Engl J Med 1975 Oct 2;293(14):681-4 Recovery of pituitary thyrotropic function after withdrawal of prolonged thyroid-suppression therapy. Vagenakis AG, Braverman LE, Azizi F, Portinay GI, Ingbar SH.

J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1975 Jul;41(1):70-80 Patterns off recovery of the hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid axis in patients taken of chronic thyroid therapy. Krugman LG, Hershman JM, Chopra IJ, Levine GA, Pekary E, Geffner DL, Chua Teco GN
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The problem I have with the T3 tabs I have is that they are 100mcg and are tiny, splitting them into 2 will be hard enough never mind 4!

I was planning on going up to 100mcg, but again, I'll look into this before starting. Obviously I don't want to lose all my hard earned muscle while I use it.

I won't be using any AAS, never have, not yet anyway...

love the clen and t3 combos, with dosage I try to keep both at or below 100 mcgs, good luck.