Thread: IGF LR3 and Bacteriostatic Water?

30 days is a bit on the long side. I use bac water but burn through my igf's in 2 weeks usually. The longer it sits, the longer it degrades, which within 2 weeks, doesn't seem like too bad.

would it help if just a little AA was added to the bac water?

You're only supposed to use a minute amount of AA and then backfill the syringe with bac water when you're actually going to inject.

I've done it both ways. It could just be placebo but I liked it in AA soultion better. I put 1ml of AA in. Then I would do 100mcg at a time. I'd draw up 10units of the IGF and then 50 units of bac water to cut it, then inject.

Some people say that AA reconn'd igf doesn't need to be put in the fridge but I always do. I couldn't find much info on it at all either.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

I've done it both ways. It could just be placebo but I liked it in AA soultion better. I put 1ml of AA in. Then I would do 100mcg at a time. I'd draw up 10units of the IGF and then 50 units of bac water to cut it, then inject.

Some people say that AA reconn'd igf doesn't need to be put in the fridge but I always do. I couldn't find much info on it at all either.

If you reconstitute ANY peptide it needs to be refrigerated once completed.

You're right, there is a lot of conflicting information out there about this.

Thanks for the info guys....


You can shoot it IM post workout correct?

Originally Posted by rc771

Thanks for the info guys....


You can shoot it IM post workout correct?

Yes.

Originally Posted by rc771

Thanks for the info guys....


You can shoot it IM post workout correct?

Yes, pre or post, depends on what you prefer and the dose. I always would do AA then backfill with BA water, made it otherwise pain free whereas AA can be very painful straight into the muscle.

Originally Posted by XYZ

If you reconstitute ANY peptide it needs to be refrigerated once completed.

You're right, there is a lot of conflicting information out there about this.

I know bro I researched for hours and then just decided to do it the safe way. AA in the fridge.

Fuck even Twist told me LR3 is stable at room temp in AA. I just don't know and didn't want to risk it.

Originally Posted by rc771

Thanks for the info guys....

You can shoot it IM post workout correct?

This was my protocol:

Workout Days: 100mcg DES split Bi-lat into muscle group worked that day PRE-workout

Non-W/O days: 100mcg LR3 split bi-lat into a random muscle group. I normally stuck with chest, tri's, bi's and delts.


I did this for 4 weeks during PCT and I plan to do it again. It was really nice. I lost about 7 pounds total out of 32 that I gained and a LOT of that was water. My strength remained close to on cycle. Honestly I look bigger now than when I was on.

Originally Posted by XYZ

If you reconstitute ANY peptide it needs to be refrigerated once completed.

You're right, there is a lot of conflicting information out there about this.

I was going to say even igfr3 in AA? All the other peps yes I agree fridge for sure.

Originally Posted by Lordsks

I was going to say even igfr3 in AA? All the other peps yes I agree fridge for sure.

I would just to be safe?

So just to confirm:

Take IGF-1 LR3 1mg/1000mcg bottle
Fill IGF-1 bottle with Acetic Acid 0.6% for 1mL
Then depending on daily dose say 50mcg for example: draw up 0.05mL of IGF-1 mixed with AA and then add bac water to concentrate it a bit to eliminate any burning?

Yeah that's correct. if you recon with 1ml, 100mcg would be 10iu so I'd recommend at least 10iu IGF-LR3 backfilled with 40iu of bac water for a total of 50iu. Some go less bac water but it really doesn't matter as long as it's painless. No bac water means prepare to hop around in pain from the burning sensation.

Thanks!

I'm kind of having cold feet as I have Crohns disease and currently taking Humira and 6MP (immunosuppressant) there is already an increased cancer risk being on both these drugs. I also take 2.5iu HGH daily (been taking for over a year).

Is there another peptide I should be using instead?

Or is a dose say 25-50iu of IGF-1 LR3 for 40 days not going to matter.

i use bac water to recon it

Originally Posted by pieguy

Yeah that's correct. if you recon with 1ml, 100mcg would be 10iu so I'd recommend at least 10iu IGF-LR3 backfilled with 40iu of bac water for a total of 50iu. Some go less bac water but it really doesn't matter as long as it's painless. No bac water means prepare to hop around in pain from the burning sensation.

Isn't 1mL = 1000mcg?

I took my first dose today.

I realized afterwards I took way too much.

I filled 1mL to the 1mg/1000mcg = 1mL/100iu. I took 2.5iu which is equivalent to 250mcg!!!

I think I'll stick to 50mcg from now on which is 0.05mL/5 IU on an insulin syringe (1ML/100 IU)

Are you meant to take it every day or just the days you workout? I do weights 3 times a week every second day.

Thanks for all your help guys

Originally Posted by pieguy

Yeah that's correct. if you recon with 1ml, 100mcg would be 10iu so I'd recommend at least 10iu IGF-LR3 backfilled with 40iu of bac water for a total of 50iu. Some go less bac water but it really doesn't matter as long as it's painless. No bac water means prepare to hop around in pain from the burning sensation.

when you say back fill the pin with BA (40iu's) for a total of 50ui's in pin that is up to the 50 mark on a 1ml/cc insulin pin correct? just want to be sure

I just filled my vial of 1000mcg igf lr3 with 4ml of sterile water from great white peptides. This way every numeral mark is 25 mcg. does anyone else do it like this?

Yes mate that's correct.

So far day 3: This stuff is awesome! Full pump for hours.

One thing I have noticed is frequent urination. Has anyone else found that?

Originally Posted by rc771

So I'm going to give IGF LR3 a shot and i can't seem to find a clear answer on the bac water vs acetic acid thing...

I would prefer to just use bac water since I have a ton of it already.

Has anybody mixed their IGF LR3 with bac only and stored it in the fridge...

at 50 mcg post workout I would be storing it for about 30 days.


Thanks for any help guys,

Hey bro,, I have never used the peps yet but doing a lot of reading on them (which does confuse me more at times) but I did read that with igf one reason AA is used is that the glass vial is not smooth. There are microscopic groves that cause the igf to get stuck when mixing with other than AA.. the AA grabs onto the igf in the grooves so nothing is left behind..
This was the only real reason i came across as to which to use AA or BA..
Some have used it either way from my reading & all was good. I will look for the article & post I think it was from another board (not steroidology) that had a sticky for peptide usage.. It stuck in my head as a reason

I just found what i read:
(3) WHAT TO MIX THE IGF-1 WITH
"When reconstituting, it's important to remember IGF-1 can get "stuck" in the grooves of the glass bottle it comes packaged in. While glass appears smooth to the naked eye, under a microscope, it's a convoluted landscape of grooves and hidden recesses.
By mixing the lyophilized IGF-1 with an "sterile acetic acid" , the IGF-1 molecules are efficiently detached from the glass and solubilized in the mixture".

& yes the PH LEVELs:

"Dilute the IGF-1 peptide with 2mls of Acetic Acid (.6%). Assuming (*DO NOT ASSUME*) Acetic Acid (AA) will yield the correct pH balance of your research peptide.
Note: This creates a concentration of 500mcg/ml. So each 1/10 of a ML is 50mcg’s."

I thought it was to do with the PH level and it will remain stable longer in AA instead of BAC water?

Originally Posted by rc771

So I'm going to give IGF LR3 a shot and i can't seem to find a clear answer on the bac water vs acetic acid thing...

I would prefer to just use bac water since I have a ton of it already.

Has anybody mixed their IGF LR3 with bac only and stored it in the fridge...

at 50 mcg post workout I would be storing it for about 30 days.


Thanks for any help guys,

I also came across this info on why AA over BA,, just passing it on.


AA: Short for Acetic Acid, a commonly-used solvent for diluting the IGF-1 powder. This is said to keep the fragile IGF-1 molecule more stable than other solvents. This point is heavily debated. AA is an acid and it tends to kill whichever tissue you inject it into. It is best to dilute the IGF-1 with as little AA as can be done, and then to dilute this solution again when injecting so as to damage the target tissue as little as possible.

BW: Bacteriostatic water. This is simply purified water mixed with 0.9% Berylic Alcohol. Microorganisms cannot survive in this water. It is a very common solvent for injections and should be easily obtainable even from your local drugstore. BW is not an ideal solvent for long-term IGF-1 solution and storage as it tends to degrade much more quickly in BW than in AA. Again there is much debate as to how quickly IGF-1 does degrade in BW.

Love me some lr3 but a much bigger fan of des 1,3

after more reading It seems the only difference is the potency & time of storage... AA will keep it potent for a while (1-2 months or more) in BAC water it degrades faster like a few days..

Originally Posted by bobby6638

after more reading It seems the only difference is the potency & time of storage... AA will keep it potent for a while (1-2 months or more) in BAC water it degrades faster like a few days..

Exactly what I said..

Originally Posted by DeanCorp

Exactly what I said..

that you did