Thread: Tgb and everyone involved in blacklion formeron

Bro, can you tell me what the recommended dose is and how long the bottle would last?

yea why so awesomeness?

Originally Posted by G3

Bro, can you tell me what the recommended dose is and how long the bottle would last?

Sure, recommended dose is 1-2 pumps ed, or less if desired. at 2 pumps a day it will last for 2 months. So two months of an anabolic/ Ai for 44$.

Originally Posted by Ahrnold

yea why so awesomeness?

Because i have battled with bunk Ai's for a long time, trying diff companys to find a legit source, im done with the bunk bullshit! This Ai is awesome, dropping water, My nips stay tight, and my sex drive has returned, its g2g! Will get estro bloods done in a few weeks to show!

How does this stuff stack up against forma stanzolol? It's the same compound different reseller...am I right?

Im not a rep and have no affiliation with blacklion Research, im just a happy customer!

Originally Posted by acemon

How does this stuff stack up against forma stanzolol? It's the same compound different reseller...am I right?

Im not sure, would have to look it up, but i know its same as cel's formestane, but with a better delivery Imo. I think its stronger.

I ordered 2 bottles from TGB, havent received yet but will be using as the primary/only AI in my next cycle.

Love the transdermal aspect, seems like it improves bio-availability(which stretches your $$$), and has all the goodness of a suicidal AI..

Not gonna lie, pretty excited about this shit.

Well SHALL SEE...

Originally Posted by acemon

How does this stuff stack up against forma stanzolol? It's the same compound different reseller...am I right?

Totally different. That's like apples to oranges

Originally Posted by OrbitNutrition

Totally different. That's like apples to oranges

I have use Forma and it is not the same; frankly you need 20 pumps to get a reasonable dose so it won't last long. Also, the carrier I don't feel is all that great.

Both cel and formastanza list formestane as the primary active ingredient, however,.....
Neither of them did their homework unfortunately for them.
Formestane is not even soluble in 100% alcohol. Its ever so slightly soluble but only a few % which is terrible. It takes certain components to get more of it in solution.
Even in ours youll see it looks like a suspension....the key is to get enough of it into solution to make for a 40-50% absorption.

I have use CEL form.....may as well throw it out.
I have not used formastanza but I have seen the transdermal carrier and although it appears better than the former its till missing something. In addition you need like 20 pumps to 40 pumps per day.....seriously...whos gonna want to bathe in the stuff.

Ours is better than previous versions.

I have been a huge fan of formestane for years but to be honest its pretty irritating to inject...like test suspension almost. So yea its AMAZING when injected but the shits irritating.

I started playing around with different transdermal applications a few years ago and this is like the 10th incarnation. it works very well as is evident by talking to our customers.

I love when people make smart progress like what you did on Formeron.

Have some on the way. Can't wait to try it during my next pct.

Ordered..

Been using 3 Weeks now, love it!

Formestane is a very effective AI. It was at one time used as much or more than aromasin. It was eventually overtaken by aromasin because people would rather eat a pill than inject something and because aromasin is not anabolic which bodes well for the primarily female breast cancer patients.

Notice Formestane is mentioned several times before Aromasin in the sentences where they are both mentioned.

Pharmacological profiles of exemestane and formestane, steroidal aromatase inhibitors used for treatment of postmenopausal breast cancer.
Lønning PE.
Source

Haukeland University Hospital, Bergen, Norway.
Abstract

Steroidal aromatase inhibitors like formestane and exemestane are useful drugs for endocrine treatment of postmenopausal breast cancer. In addition, these drugs should be considered valuable probes to explore the biology of breast cancer with particular emphasis on possible relations between the degree of estrogen suppression and clinical efficacy and the possible role of intratumor estrogen synthesis. The fact that steroidal and non-steroidal aromatase inhibitors bind to different parts of the aromatase enzyme suggests these drugs may act in concert aggravating plasma estrogen suppression. Thus, use of a steroidal and a non-steroidal aromatase inhibitors in concert may be one way to improve breast cancer treatment and may also provide important information to a better understanding of the dose-response relationship between estrogen suppression and clinical effects. Further, the finding that patients progressing on non-steroidal aromatase inhibitors may respond to formestane as well as exemestane suggests these drugs may have differential effects, probably on the aromatization in the tumor tissue. Further studies are warranted to explore the influence of steroidal and non-steroidal aromatase inhibitors on intratumor aromatase activity and intratumor estrogen concentrations and to correlate these findings to intratumor drug concentrations. The findings that steroidal aromatase inhibitors may have clinical effects in patients progressing on treatment with the non-steroidal aromatase inhibitor aminoglutethimide is challenging, and suggest further studies to evaluate possible benefits of using different novel aromatase inhibitors in concert or sequence.

PMID:
9797017
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

well i have used both and i have no dog in the fight for eithier i liked formastanzol a lot and hell no you dont need 20 pumps bs.formeron is stronger for sure but for some reasone formastanzol worked as a sex stmi for me i could rub a pump or 2 about hour and be porn star weird formeron not so much.formastanzol was the best i have ever used until formeron which is stronger you need less of it.i would and will be buying both again formeron and formastanzol.and i loved tgb they where top shelf.by the way i am using formeron as my only ai at 1 pump 2 or 3 times a week.the formastanzol i used 2 or 3 pumps a day.just my 2 cents

Has anyone gotten blood work on this product? Specifically Estradiol?

I had a member PM me and he said Blacklion Formeron had zero effect on lowering his E2 so he switched to Adex.

I would love to see independent labs to verify.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Has anyone gotten blood work on this product? Specifically Estradiol?

I had a member PM me and he said Blacklion Formeron had zero effect on lowering his E2 so he switched to Adex.

I would love to see independent labs to verify.

You and your lab work with scientific studies. Isn't broscience good enough for you?

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Has anyone gotten blood work on this product? Specifically Estradiol?

I had a member PM me and he said Blacklion Formeron had zero effect on lowering his E2 so he switched to Adex.

I would love to see independent labs to verify.

IM talking to the same guy and I totally believe him. No reason to lie about it and he seems sincere.

When a medication is tested initially.....100% of people do not have to respond favorably for the medication to be cleared for human use. ALmost NO medication has 100% of people responding. ALmost none. Formestane is no different. There are tests where only 90% of the cancer patients responded favorably. So....there is a portion who did not. Same with almost every med on earth. 80-90% respond...nobody dies....FDA clears it.

For the vast majority, response will be favorable and drastic. The huge number of people who have posted and commented regarding their own favorable response are not paid to do so.

I have had myself tested using it.
I have seen id drop my training partner down to 5.

Will this happen to everyone? Apparently not. But for the vast majority it will. Considering there is one person out of the 1000 bottles sold who did not respond I think its safe to say most will respond.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Has anyone gotten blood work on this product? Specifically Estradiol?

I had a member PM me and he said Blacklion Formeron had zero effect on lowering his E2 so he switched to Adex.

I would love to see independent labs to verify.

I have also offered to send you personally some to test ...weeks ago...but thus far you have failed to give me an address so...this isnt super cool.

Here is a post quote from another member
"As promised, I got my labs back about an hour ago, running 900mg test e, 600mg NPP and SDMZ and my e2 was 26 using one pump of Formeron eod. Pretty damn impressive in my book! "

So....

IF you like I can post page after page after page of clinical research showing people responding. This isnt a new compound. Its also not really even questionable as to if it works or not. Sucks the guy doesnt respond. But its one guy.
I offered to send him anything he likes Black Lion carries to replace the Form. Again I believe him and I dont want anyone unhappy. But to use this as a gauge of any type isnt reasonable because he is an anomaly.

Originally Posted by brundel

IF you like I can post page after page after page of clinical research showing people responding. This isnt a new compound. Its also not really even questionable as to if it works or not. Sucks the guy doesnt respond. But its one guy.
I offered to send him anything he likes Black Lion carries to replace the Form. Again I believe him and I dont want anyone unhappy. But to use this as a gauge of any type isnt reasonable because he is an anomaly.

Do you have any studies on trans-dermal formestane lowering Estradiol? I'm having trouble finding supportive data on a trans-dermal. Looks like the injectable preparation is solid but not sure we should use the injectable data to prove the trans-dermal.

I'm not knocking your products but rather looking at them objectively like any other product.

UNfortunately there were never any studies done using it as a transdermal.
There were a bunch using injections and even a few successful trials using oral preparations. Its not hard to imagine it will also work well as a transdermal.
Many drugs work well as transdermals including test and many PH's/ds.
Transdermal delivery is very good and as far as the dose is concerned the Formeron is dosed high enough to account for loss.

Initially I was hesitant. I made this product not for retail sales but for myself. I have been perfecting it for years. The first incarnation was almost 90% alcohol. It worked great but man....it dried the skin out.
It took a long time to find the right ratio of inactive ingredients.
It has to be partially solute but still in gel form which is harder than it sounds considering the solubility of formestane.

I found a sweet spot. I can show you my bloodwork where my test was 1400+ and estro was low.
In addition.....Around here, where I live, there are alot of bodybuilders. There are a bunch using Formeron as their AI even for competitions.

Heavy,

The post above that brundel quoted about labs is mine, only using Formeron as my sole AI. My e2 using some bunk aromasin at last check was in the 150's, it was 26 after using Formeron. I actually had to cut the dose from 1 pump daily to 1 pump eod as my elbows started to ache, a known sign to me that my e2 is too low. You know me, I am not gonna bullshit anyone, if Formeron was shit, that is what I was gonna say. But in my book, it is good to go. Take the free bottle try it yourself and I think you'll find the same as I did, it just works.

Originally Posted by Anabolic5150

Heavy,

The post above that brundel quoted about labs is mine, only using Formeron as my sole AI. My e2 using some bunk aromasin at last check was in the 150's, it was 26 after using Formeron. I actually had to cut the dose from 1 pump daily to 1 pump eod as my elbows started to ache, a known sign to me that my e2 is too low. You know me, I am not gonna bullshit anyone, if Formeron was shit, that is what I was gonna say. But in my book, it is good to go. Take the free bottle try it yourself and I think you'll find the same as I did, it just works.

Right on,

When were your labs in relation to the Formeron administration?

How did you apply the product exactly?

Thanks

Originally Posted by brundel

UNfortunately there were never any studies done using it as a transdermal.
There were a bunch using injections and even a few successful trials using oral preparations. Its not hard to imagine it will also work well as a transdermal.
Many drugs work well as transdermals including test and many PH's/ds.
Transdermal delivery is very good and as far as the dose is concerned the Formeron is dosed high enough to account for loss.

Initially I was hesitant. I made this product not for retail sales but for myself. I have been perfecting it for years. The first incarnation was almost 90% alcohol. It worked great but man....it dried the skin out.
It took a long time to find the right ratio of inactive ingredients.
It has to be partially solute but still in gel form which is harder than it sounds considering the solubility of formestane.

I found a sweet spot. I can show you my bloodwork where my test was 1400+ and estro was low.
In addition.....Around here, where I live, there are alot of bodybuilders. There are a bunch using Formeron as their AI even for competitions.

Yup, I know they can be successfully made. I have seen trans-dermal AI's for years. Sounds good.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Right on,

When were your labs in relation to the Formeron administration?

How did you apply the product exactly?

Thanks

My labs were taken last Thursday at 7am, I apply Formeron on Mon-Wed-Fri in the morning. It had been approximately 24 hours since last administered when I tested. I put 1 pump on the inside of my left forearm and rub it in with my right forearm. It takes 10-12 seconds to apply before it is absorbed.

I do make sure not to hold my daughter for 30-45 minutes after application so it does not rub off on her. Don't know if that is needed, but I just play it safe.