Thread: KLEEN Takes Osta-Gain CJC-1295 with DAC for a spin during HPTA recovery.

Does the 1295 with dac have a saturation level of 100mcg like say ghrp6? And I'm curious as to why ur not injecting ur rat with close to that say 3-4 times a day? That's how I've seen it ran before so just curious about ur dosage bro. Ill be following for sure

Originally Posted by longworthb

Does the 1295 with dac have a saturation level of 100mcg like say ghrp6? And I'm curious as to why ur not injecting ur rat with close to that say 3-4 times a day? That's how I've seen it ran before so just curious about ur dosage bro. Ill be following for sure

The 1295 with DAC elevates the GH levels in the blood for 14 days after the injection. Due to the long half life the saturation point is much higher think of it more like a longer acting steroid like Testosterone Decanoate. Not saying the growth is there but one thing that is increased on this above the pulsing method is the amount of IGF present in the body at all times one a certain level has been achieved. Quite beneficial for growth or activation of satellite cells and muscle recovery. However it is also part of the reason that it must be cycled in the same manner as IGF-1 Lr3 is. Too much IGF-1 in the system at all times is not a good thing after a while. Then things can happen like the intestines begin to grow and the lower jaw in extreme cases. Now my rat may experience a tiny bit of this intestinal growth, but it will all be back to normal size within a 4-6 weeks after ceasing the injections same as with IGF-1 Lr3.

Also the GHRP's you mention with the 100mcg saturation levels can be used in conjunction with the DAC to increase GH burst sizes and can be done without needing the MOd - Grf 29 / 1295 without DAC to increase release since it is already active in the system in a longer acting peptide. I give my rat huperzine-a and horny goat weed a total of 4 times a day and what this does is lower somatostatin allowing extra pulses of GH throughout the day. I also am using Ghenerate to stimulate pulses.

Here are my current measurements as of yesterday morning. I expect these to go down some as my body fat comes down but other than the waist line I don't think there should be any large changes unless I get into leaning up and go to a full on cut.

Right Arm 17.25
Left arm 17.5
Shoulders 53.25
Chest 48.25
Waist 36
Hips 41.25
Quads 26

FST-7 planned splits


Monday - Triceps / Biceps
Triceps

• Close-grip bench press 3-4 x 8-12
• Weighted or machine dip 3 x 8-12
• Overhead cable extension 7 x 8-12
• Skull crushers 7 x 8-12

Biceps

• Alternate dumbbell curls 3-4 x 8-12
• Machine preacher curl 3 x 8-12
• EZ-bar curl 7 x 8-12 (rest 30-45 seconds between sets while sipping water)

Tuesday - Legs
Quads

• Leg extensions 3-4 x 8-15
• Squats 4 x 8-12
• Hack squat or leg press 3 x 8-15
• Leg extension or leg press 7 x 8-15

Hamstrings

• Lying leg curls 3-4 x 10-15
• Stiff-leg deadlift 3-4 x 10-12
• Single leg curl 3-4 x 10-15 each leg
• Seated leg curls 7 x 10-15

Wednesday - Chest and Triceps
Chest

• Incline dumbbell press 3-4 x 8-12
• Incline dumbbell flye 3 x 8-12
• Flat Hammer or dumbbell press 3 x 8-12
• Pec deck or cable crossover 7 x 8-12

Triceps

• Close-grip bench press 3-4 x 8-12
• Weighted or machine dip 3 x 8-12
• Overhead cable extension 7 x 8-12
• Skull crushers 7 x 8-12

Thursday - Back & Calves
Back

• Neutral-grip chin-ups 3 x failure
• Wide-grip pulldowns 3 x 8-12
• Barbell row 3 x 8-12
• Hammer Strength row 3 x 8-12
• Machine or cable pullover 7 x 8-15

Saturday - Shoulders and Biceps
Shoulders

• Seated dumbbell press 4 x 8-12
• Barbell or dumbbell front raise 3 x 8-12
• Dumbbell lateral raise 3 x 8-12
• Lateral raise machine 7 x 8-12

Biceps

• Alternate dumbbell curls 3-4 x 8-12
• Machine preacher curl 3 x 8-12
• EZ-bar curl 7 x 8-12 (rest 30-45 seconds between sets while sipping water)

Thanks for the log Mr.Kleen. Looking forward to the research on your rat.

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Originally Posted by maniac0614

Thanks for the log Mr.Kleen. Looking forward to the research on your rat.

Osta-Gain's Products are for Research Purposes Only And Not For Human Consumption

No problem!


So today was another workout and my shoulder was still very sensitive. It looks like I will be going to a less heavy program for a while.


This mornings workout was

30 seconds rest between sets and on the supersets there was absolutely no rest just back and forth.

DB Front Raises 20x10 x 5 sets
Lateral Raises 20x10 x 5 sets this is where I felt sensitivity and had to adjust form. Was able to complete them with "pain" per-say but mild discomfort.

Super Set A
DB Curls 20x15, 20x15, 20x15, 20x10, 20x15
Rear Delt Reverse Flies 50x10, 60x10 x 4 sets

Super Set B
Straight Arm Peck Deck - 110x10 x 5 set - had to adjust form so that I was not taking my elbows back past my shoulders. I normally get a good stretch but that got me into the area that is irritated.
Overhead Triceps Extensions with 45lb plate x10 x 5 sets

Leg Press - 445x10 x 5 sets

Completed 30 sets in 29 minutes...


I got through it and am no worse for the wear but I will not be able to start FST-7 next week. I think I am going to start the big Dumbbell Giant Set circuit for at leas a few weeks to keep the weight down but muscle up. It always seems to do the trick in this situation. Lots of blood getting to the shoulder but no overly heavy weight.

3 times a week alternating between the 2 workouts.

Dumbbell Workout 1 20 reps each exrecise/ 3 giant sets no rest between exercises and or rotations if possible. I will start out with 25lbs on larger exercises and 17.5 on smaller ones.

Dead Lifts

Flat Bench Press

Squat

Wide DB Bent over Rows (elbows out)

Romanian Dead Lift

DB Shrugs

Arnold press

Lunge Squats

DB Curls



Dumbbell Workout 2

DB Squat

Incline DB Press

DB Front Squats

One Arm DB Row

Romanian Dead Lift

Overhead DB Press

Step Up

Lateral Raise

Bench Dip


I will also be adding in a 4rth workout which will be an Arm Day. I feel I can at least make some progress in the arms while maintaining the rest of my body and increasing my overall conditioning. Speaking of conditioning I signed up with Jeff and Matt to run in the Warrior Dash in March. Last night I decided to give running on the treadmill a try and managed to run 2 miles on a slight incline without stopping. Jogging at an average of 5mp not hooking it or anything but considering I have not run in a while that was pretty impressive. After that I put it to lower speed and walked on a steep incline for another 20 minutes.

Holy Mother of God, my calves are sore from my run. I am limping the first 30 feet after i get up from sitting...

The workout from Saturday & Sunday


So Saturday I did the Dumbell workout and as long as I kept my elbows forward of my shoulders it was okay.

Today I did an FST-7 style arm workout with short rest periods throughout.

Biceps
Alt DB Curl - 22.5x12, 30x12, 35x12, 35x7
Preacher Curl - 85x9,75x8, 70x8, 70x96
Incline DB Curls - 25x7, 20x4&3 partials, 15x6&2 partials
FST-7 Sets EZ Curl Bar - 70x11, 70x7, 60x5, 50x6,45x6, 40x8, 40x8

Triceps
JM Press - 95x12, 115x12, 135x12, 135x12, 135x11
Slow DIPS - 12, 12, 12, 8, 10 = 54
Lying Over Head Triceps Extension elbows back at 30-45 degrees behind me - 85x12, 85x9 &2 negatives, 75x8 &3 negatives, 55x6 &3 negatives
FST-7 Rope Triceps Ext - 100x8, 90x6, 70x8, 60x10, 60x8, 50x10, 50x11

This workout went pretty well and I have been off from the gym this week. I may go in tonight we shall see. My shoulder is feeling much better and I think I may be able to move a little weight this time next week.

Great detail Kleen! Keep killing it, and i hope all is well!