Same Sex Marriages

**Prince** · 08-01-2003, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by ponyboy
I have no problem with same sex marriages. Whomever you choose to care about is whomever you choose to care about.

I do. Only males and females should be allowed to get married.

I am a pretty liberal person, but I have always had issues with homosexuals.

and don't give that Freudian bullshit that I have repressed homosexual tendancies either.

**Mudge** · 08-01-2003, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by Pepper
Careful, it seems the crowd is tolerant of just about everything EXCEPT someone who believes homosexuality is not genetic or has a belief in the Bible.

I have no problems with it, you seem to feel that you are being attacked when this is merely a discussion?

If this is a country based on freedom, why do we feel the need to regulate what goes on in the bedrooms of America? Since the natives were damn near wiped out, we may as well enjoy this freedom.

If you look at the poll, you are hardly a minority thinker it would appear.

Pepper · 08-01-2003, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by naturaltan
DUCK ... it's starting all over again.

No...at least I hope it isn't.

I am personally very conflicted about homosexuality. I have homosexual friends and I discuss this issue with them often.

I can be very goods friends with them, hire them, be business partners with them, accept them in every way possible but then say "I have religious issues with homosexuality" and get blasted for being intolerant. I assure you, I am not intolerant of homosexuals.

As for putting words in people's mouths...read what was said about the Pope. I also read someone saying they hoped DG was misinterpretted b/c he dared to say he did not think it is genetic.

Pepper · 08-01-2003, 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by Mudge
I have no problems with it, you seem to feel that you are being attacked when this is merely a discussion?

If this is a country based on freedom, why do we feel the need to regulate what goes on in the bedrooms of America? Since the natives were damn near wiped out, we may as well enjoy this freedom.

If you look at the poll, you are hardly a minority thinker it would appear.

Acually, I don't think anyone is being attacked, except maybe the Pope.

I just believe, in general, stating a religious objection to homosexuality will usually get you labled a homophobe or an intolerant asshole.

Sorry, not really aiming that at anyone here.

**Mudge** · 08-01-2003, 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by Pepper
I can be very goods friends with them, hire them, be business partners with them, accept them in every way possible but then say "I have religious issues with homosexuality" and get blasted for being intolerant. I assure you, I am not intolerant of homosexuals.

That sounds fine to me, we have opinions, and you obviously are not a jackass about it, so I can see where you are coming from

naturaltan · 08-01-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by Prince
I am a pretty liberal person, but I have always had issues with homosexuals.

Would you befriend a homosexual?

What issues do you have other than you feel that same sex marriages shouldn't happen?

**I Are Baboon** · 08-01-2003, 02:01 PM

Seems to me that only one person here opposes gay marriage for reasons that are not religious. Just an observation.

**Prince** · 08-01-2003, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by naturaltan
Would you befriend a homosexual?

sure, I did not mean it that way. I meant I have always had issues with their way of living, just don't agree with it, but I do not hate them or anything.

**Jodi** · 08-01-2003, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by Dero
I say,"LET THEM GET MARRIED!!"
Up here in Canada the Pope is urging the catholic politicians to vote against same sex marriages,he says "it's their moral OBLIGATION to prevent this from happening."
That's trouble if you ask me,the religious folks getting together with the politicians.

He reffers to some age old rule/law that according to them,it's not moral to have a child raised by two person of the same sex.
I have gay friends that are EXAMPLORY PARENTS(spelling?) and they are far better at parenting then some other friends that are considered "normal"(because they are of different sex

)
When the politicians and the religious folks get involved into other people's domistic ways of living,I say that's when we get into trouble...
What's next???The pope does not like oral sex,therefore it will be banned????
When these people "IN POWER" start thinking for other folks I say " it's time for them to take a long walk on a short pier!!!"
I think you all know what I really mean,but some people might get offended by it!

My 2 cents.

Right there with ya!

**Jodi** · 08-01-2003, 02:22 PM

Oh and I also want to add that if we (general public) started treating homosexuals as "normal" (as if there is such a thing) then maybe we wouldn't have all these racists issues.

Did anyone here about the Gay and Lesbian PUBLIC School in NY. This is all because they fell outcasted. Now I don't agree with the school cuz I find it to be another racist excuse but as an example that if we treated them as we do heterosexuals than there wouldn't be such and outcry for something like this. JMHO!

**Prince** · 08-01-2003, 02:44 PM

it's not a "race" issue though.

naturaltan · 08-01-2003, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by Prince
sure, I did not mean it that way. I meant I have always had issues with their way of living, just don't agree with it, but I do not hate them or anything.

I thought so, but when reading it, it's hard to know what someone actually thinks.

**Jodi** · 08-01-2003, 03:06 PM

Ok, racist not racial per say.

Then use the word prejudice. Regarless they are similar meanings.

**Mudge** · 08-01-2003, 03:10 PM

Race though attempts to pertain to a "group" of people based on origin, although I prefer to view us as the human race.

I think the school is probably going to get bombed, and shot up a few times, if they dont they will be lucky. Its obviously calling attention to itself by letting people know where they are all going to be.

**Prince** · 08-01-2003, 03:10 PM

not really,

racist = Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

race = A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.

**Jodi** · 08-01-2003, 03:13 PM

Does it freakin matter now

I said use the word prejudice

Pepper · 08-01-2003, 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by Jodi
Ok, racist not racial per say.

Then use the word prejudice. Regarless they are similar meanings.

Let me ask you this...Do you think that people (all of us) should except every lifestyle? I am asking b/c it just seems to me at some point people have to be allowed to choose who they wish to associate with.

I make decisions about people all the time based on their behavior. Am I not allowed to do so? I am troubled by this issue b/c I do think that two people just trying to be happy and not bothering anyone should be left alone to do what they want. However, if I don't want to accept that lifestyle, I too should be left alone.

And, can I accept homosexualityand respect homosexuals but say I think it is wrong? I think I can. Many do not.

**Mudge** · 08-01-2003, 03:31 PM

Someone is always going to have a problem with how someone else lives thier life. Like again the eskimo example, eskimo mothers sometimes beat thier newborns to death upon birth, simply because of food concerns. Now for many people in other areas of the world, this is shocking and inhuman, but it is part of thier culture.

I can see that as being wrong, and hard to accept. But do I really care who John sticks his prick into, as long as the other person wants it too? No I really dont.

**Jodi** · 08-01-2003, 03:42 PM

Accept - No, I don't think that we need to accept every lifestyle, but as long as it is not hurting me in any way why should I discriminate. I have homosexual friends and they leave me out of their lifestyle. Why should we care if 2 homosexuals want to get married? What harm is that causing?

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I make decisions about people all the time based on their behavior. Am I not allowed to do so? I am troubled by this issue b/c I do think that two people just trying to be happy and not bothering anyone should be left alone to do what they want. However, if I don't want to accept that lifestyle, I too should be left alone.

I agree

RCfootball87 · 08-01-2003, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by I Are Baboon
Do you honestly think homosexuality is one's choice?

Absolutely! Take a look at the human bodies sexual organs. Hmm.... things seem to fit together pretty good between a man and a woman, on the other hand a man and a man doesn't fit. If God intended for their to be homosexual unions then why can't homosexuals or lesbians reproduce together? I beleive homoesexuality is perverted, sad, and morally and physically just wrong. I wouldn't want to shower up after practice if there was a homosexualy in there! Imagine what would happen to me if I walked into the girls shower room in the raw! I don't care what kind of kinky shit you wanna do in your home, but I don't need/want to hear about it. Honestly, I believe the worst thing possible out of all of this is that they actaully let couples that are same sex adopt children! People seem to think that the younger generation has some kind of new tolerance level that other generations didn't. I'm telling you, if you had gay adopted parents, and kids in your high school found out about it, you would be neglected, mocked, beaten, laughed at, ostricised, and maybe even driven to suicide. If my parents were gay I'd either kill them or ask for foster care. I feel terribly sorry for any child who has to grow up with gay adopted guardians. They could be great "parents" but it still wouldn't matter, the kid won't be happy. Our culture is spiraling more and more immoral, what's next, human/animal marriages?

**Jodi** · 08-01-2003, 03:46 PM

Here we go with the "god" thing again.

Your the same kid that thinks women should belong in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant living the 50's lifestyle arn't you?

**I Are Baboon** · 08-01-2003, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by Jodi

Here we go with the "god" thing again.

Like I said, only one person opposes this with a non-religious view.

RCfootball87 · 08-01-2003, 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by Jodi

Here we go with the "god" thing again.

Your the same kid that thinks women should belong in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant living the 50's lifestyle arn't you?

The bulk of my post didn't have to do with God, I'm not preaching at anyone. But if you want to ignore the obvious which is that I'm right that kids will be openly mocked in a high school situation with gay parents so you can steer the discusion towards whether God exists or not, go ahead, but I don't want anything to do with anymore internet religous debates.

**Jodi** · 08-01-2003, 04:05 PM

This is not a religious debate and nor should it be.

Kids being mocked should not happen either. Its prejudice. Their gay parents aren't harming them. As a matter of fact most children with gay parents are straight so its not harming the child or forcing the child into becoming homosexual either.

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Gays and Lesbians should have the same rights	102	44.54%
Gays and Lesbians are just brain dead	7	3.06%
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GW Is Right	11	4.80%
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08-01-2003, 02:22 PM	#40
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	Oh and I also want to add that if we (general public) started treating homosexuals as "normal" (as if there is such a thing) then maybe we wouldn't have all these racists issues. Did anyone here about the Gay and Lesbian PUBLIC School in NY. This is all because they fell outcasted. Now I don't agree with the school cuz I find it to be another racist excuse but as an example that if we treated them as we do heterosexuals than there wouldn't be such and outcry for something like this. JMHO!
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08-01-2003, 02:44 PM	#41
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08-01-2003, 03:06 PM	#43
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	Ok, racist not racial per say. Then use the word prejudice. Regarless they are similar meanings.
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08-01-2003, 03:10 PM	#44
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,053 Photos: 1	Race though attempts to pertain to a "group" of people based on origin, although I prefer to view us as the human race. I think the school is probably going to get bombed, and shot up a few times, if they dont they will be lucky. Its obviously calling attention to itself by letting people know where they are all going to be.
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08-01-2003, 02:01 PM	#37
I Are Baboon pedal pedal pedal Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Beerville Posts: 10,985 Photos: 10	Seems to me that only one person here opposes gay marriage for reasons that are not religious. Just an observation.

08-01-2003, 03:13 PM	#46
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	Does it freakin matter now I said use the word prejudice
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08-01-2003, 03:31 PM	#48
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,053 Photos: 1	Someone is always going to have a problem with how someone else lives thier life. Like again the eskimo example, eskimo mothers sometimes beat thier newborns to death upon birth, simply because of food concerns. Now for many people in other areas of the world, this is shocking and inhuman, but it is part of thier culture. I can see that as being wrong, and hard to accept. But do I really care who John sticks his prick into, as long as the other person wants it too? No I really dont.
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08-01-2003, 03:46 PM	#51
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	Here we go with the "god" thing again. Your the same kid that thinks women should belong in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant living the 50's lifestyle arn't you?
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08-01-2003, 04:05 PM	#54
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	This is not a religious debate and nor should it be. Kids being mocked should not happen either. Its prejudice. Their gay parents aren't harming them. As a matter of fact most children with gay parents are straight so its not harming the child or forcing the child into becoming homosexual either.
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